The future of browsing: Opera One, the first AI-powered browser is ready for download
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A Former User last edited by
@generosus Thanks for your kind reply. You just helped me to get to the reasons for switching to Brave. These seem to be valid points, btw.
Yes, I agree, the new UI takes some time to getting used to it. And refinement is needed still, I agree as well.
But using Opera has never been about clean and simple only. But clean and simple and handy features. Clean and simple has been the philosophy around the time, they gave up Presto for Chromium. This was the time when all the die-hard fans of Old Opera so to speak went away, mostly to Vivaldi.
Nowadays "New Opera" has some unique features again. What I wonder about still is that you switched to Brave because of the easy UI, because Opera's UI may have gotten new polish for good or worse, but in general it's the same it's been before.
Also the fact that Opera had unclosed vulnerabilities is not new to Opera 100 (or One, as they call it). You've lived with that for 12+ yrs - why then the switch now?
I've been to Brave forums to have a look there. There a lot of complaints about Brave becoming laggy and hogging RAM lately. Also people complain that most effort is put into Bitcoin-integration not in browser features. I'm not quite sure that Brave really lives up to its own marketing.
Anyway have a good time with Brave! I'm sticking with Opera and testing the new UI and the new features (e.g. AI and tab management) for now! -
Generosus last edited by
@himmelsheriff: Again, thanks for your reply and insight. We switched for the reasons provided in our previous comments, but here's one more (a little suprise); Opera is now led by Zhou Yahui (China) while Brave is led by Brendan Eich (USA). We'll take "Made in USA" over "Made in China" anytime. So, now you know why Opera One was quick to integrate Tik Tok into it's code. Spyware? You decide.
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A Former User last edited by
@generosus Ok, I see. But Brave is funded by Peter Thiel. It's deeply involved in crypto (ok, Opera is as well, but not that much). Brave has been found guilty of adding referral links to the browser. Brendan Eich himself was among the homophobe and anti-vaccine crowd.
Opera browser AFAIK is made mainly in Poland (EU), central is headquartered in Norway, still subject to GDPR, and Norwegian law and publicly traded at NASDAQ.
Opera was bought by a Chinese consortium long ago - so no reason to switch now, I suppose. Chinese investors are holding the majority of stakes but the firm is still not Chinese.
There have been rumors of being sending data to China. I call that what it probably is: rumors! There's been no real evidence for any such claim in the past.
TikTiok has been added as an option to the sidebar long before Opera One. But to be sure: The sidebar is nothing else but a kind of bookmark. Don't use it, don't log in - don't send data to TikTok. If you don't like.
Still I don't see the reason, switching NOW. As all your points have been valid for quite a long time and are in no way specific to Opera One.
If I were to switch from Opera for the reasons you mentioned, I'd rather switch to Vivaldi (which is roughly what Opera was 12 yrs ago) or to Firefox, which comes with great privacy but without crypto scum. But that's me. I'm still using Opera joyfully these days, but will switch eventually when a better option may be avaiable.
So good luck with Brave! You decide! Thanks. You're very welcome. -
Generosus last edited by
@himmelsheriff: Apologies. Yes, you are correct. Tik Tok and other potential spyware channels were added to Opera (not Opera One) in 2022. Code can still intercept your browsing history, etc. whether you're logged in or not. Anyway, we spent more time in this forum that originally planned, but enjoyed the exchange. Best wishes.
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erebfraen last edited by
Why let such a crude product into the licks? The browser still has a huge number of bugs. The problem with the intrusive dialog box about configuring extensions has not yet been fixed
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BladeII last edited by@generosus Following your reasoning, you should pay attention to one thing: the function of the Chief Information Security Officer at Brave (so praised by you), is performed by Yan Zhu, born in Beijing, China! Besides, you're making yourself look like an employee of a marketing agency doing intrusive buzz marketing for Brave, and you haven't provided ANY evidence that we're dealing with spyware.
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A Former User last edited by
@bladeii Thank you for your words. The turn to Brave came a bit like a surprise after using Opera for 12 years. Someone may like or dislike the new design or the the new features, but all reasoning against Opera had nothing to do with Opera One, but have been valid for quite a long time. That's for me the major inconsistency actually.
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Generosus last edited by
@himmelsheriff: For us, Opera One is "the straw that broke the camel's back." Again, we all have choices. We choose Brave at this time. Cheers
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BladeII last edited by
@generosus Of course I don't think you work for anyone, but your argument sounds like one. If brave suits you - great. I also use this browser sometimes, but I don't think that writing on their forums and channels how bad they are is a proper way to communicate that. As for the new Opera browser, I think it was released in a stable version too early. There are a couple of bugs to fix.
I think it's worth keeping rational perception. A Chinese on the board or even as a shareholder does not make a Norwegian or American company immediately Chinese. The same way Microsoft and Google could be seen as "Indian" since their indian CEOs took over. But it ain't.
You are succumbing to the paranoia fueled by the right wing media. FOX News lost a recently a lawsuit against a company called Dominion. The TV station claimed it had ties to "Chinese Communists."
Opera, having its headquarters in Norway and offices, among others in Poland (key countries on NATO's eastern flank) is certainly under surveillance by the US and other services. If data leaks or data transfer to China took place - such information along with evidence would certainly have been published, for example in the form of some journalistic investigation.
We are dealing here with a rumor that is popular in the current geopolitical situation. -
ux90 last edited by
I don't like the new design at all. No, I hate it!! As a graphic designer I am unable to work with this mess of bubbles and rounded corners! I downgraded back to version 99.X after 10 Minutes and will use another minimalistic browser in future. I'm still shocked and there's only one question: why, why, why...!?
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alexs last edited by
@ux90 said in The future of browsing: Opera One, the first AI-powered browser is ready for download:
I don't like the new design at all. No, I hate it!! As a graphic designer I am unable to work with this mess of bubbles and rounded corners! I downgraded back to version 99.X after 10 Minutes and will use another minimalistic browser in future. I'm still shocked and there's only one question: why, why, why...!?
I think the designer is a big fan of Star Trek…
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pkt01 last edited by
Had to get back to the good old 99. The new one's really half-backed. Lost all my 1000+ tabs (yes, I know) the next morning after I upgraded to One. Guess what - wasn't happy about that. The same thing happened today - ain't going to One until you get it fixed, folks.
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A Former User last edited by
@pkt01 said
Lost all my 1000+ tabs (yes, I know) the next morning after I upgraded to One.
Please do tell us, what are you using those tabs for?
I'm genuinely curious.
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maxita last edited by
does anyone know how to save all the tabs of the various "browsing contexts" to avoid losing them when opera restarts or crashes? I don't want to lose all the tab splitting I've done...
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alexswak last edited by leocg
I use opera since as long as I remember, and this is easily the worst version. Buggy and crashes everyday, bad design, unnecessary changes (chatGPT clone? srsly?) and much more nonsense. I'll downgrade to 99.x for now and try it again in a while, if it's still bad I will leave Opera for good. I never thought such a day would come!
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pkt01 last edited by
@vegelund I guess this has to do with my procrastination, i.e. leaving tabs open to get back to them later (although it often doesn't happen :)). But that's not the point. It could've been 20 tabs, they'd still be gone after this upgrade.
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A Former User last edited by A Former User
@pkt01 Sure and 1000+ tabs...
You open that many tabs in one browser, for what?
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A Former User last edited by
@alexswak I can‘t agree from my side. There are no real bugs with my version. ChatGPT has been added some months before, the new version has kind of its own, called Aria. But both, ChatGPT pure and Aria are not enabled by default. You don‘t have to use either. It‘s totally up to you.
I‘ve had Vivaldi as my main browser for quite a long time, and their updates caused issues anytime.
I agree on the UI issue. That‘s a case of its own. But let me guess: We all will be used to it by the end of the year. And issues will be adressed by developers hopefully.
