Where are the bookmarks in Opera 18?
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mrurban3 last edited by
I gotta weigh in here. Been using Opera for years, and quite happy with it. Now on 12.18. I was kinda curious when I saw references to v16 or v15 or whatever, but when prompted by Opera to upgrade I did so - it never got me off the "12" track. Updated several times this year - 2013.
A web print issue sent me to the "current" version, which turned out to be 18.0.+++. Installed it. Unlike every other Opera version update/install, it didn't "overwrite and update," but installed as a second instance of Opera. Instantly, no Bookmarks. And the sparse look of Chrome, which I'd already have if I wanted it. No visible home page. No obvious place for clicking on Settings - even 12.18 has buried some of that stuff, to my unhappiness. I already spend enough time playing "puzzles" on computers - how do I do this or that - I don't need to add my browser to that list.
I promptly uninstalled it - didn't want the hassles of learning a program that has been mostly visually intuitive in the past. No ax to grind. Gave it a two minute trial and didn't at all like what I found. If I wanted changing "locations+" WITH NO EXPLANATION OF THE CHANGES, I'd do Microsoft programs. (Oh yeah, with every OS change - changes with no critical documentation provided to users.)
Then my "loyalty" to the program made me come here. What have I missed? Where were the dang bookmarks? And I find that Opera made huge changes with no "upfront" explanation to users. No wonder "we" are upset! It like Microsoft Word introducing the Ribbon with no info - suddenly you can't even do what you used to do. Admittedly, some users wrote "poorly." But for Opera moderators to get snippy with them for not finding new, unintuitive, unfamiliar ways to do "old" things that were simpler is not going to win friends nor users.
If you are going to radically change the way to do things, you really ought to plan on explaining it and making it easy to change. It appears Opera has not done that. Having to come to a Forum or do detailed, repeated searches for an "old, simple" task is not what a typical user expects.
It's good that old versions are still working, and that there are alternatives.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by mrurban3:
Admittedly, some users wrote "poorly." But for Opera moderators to get snippy with them for not finding new, unintuitive, unfamiliar ways to do "old" things that were simpler is not going to win friends nor users.
I don't see a single comment from a moderator in this entire thread, let alone a snippy one. If the moderators had got a lot more snippy by closing all of these rant threads at once, it might be easier to find useful information on importing bookmarks, etc.
Yes, for the foreseeable future there is no alternative but to use an old version. Opera 20 developer version is still not even close to being a viable choice yet, let alone Opera 18 final.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by rilef:
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Just another useless rant. If they had closed these rant threads long ago, we would be able to find the wood amidst a few trees instead of searching the entire forest.
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stevenjcee last edited byOriginally posted by rilef:
..You shouldn't have to search among even a few trees, much less an entire forest, to find out how to import bookmarks. This is true especially when your search is as likely to come up with completely bad information, as good. You do not have to do such a search with any other browser on the planet. And, you should not have to do such a search with Opera.
Exactly!! And thank you mrurban for your several, well-written posts, as they sum up the deal as it is...
And Pesala says: "I don't see a single comment from a moderator in this entire thread, let alone a snippy one. If the moderators had got a lot more snippy by closing all of these rant threads at once, it might be easier to find useful information on importing bookmarks, etc.
Yes, for the foreseeable future there is no alternative but to use an old version. Opera 20 developer version is still not even close to being a viable choice yet, let alone Opera 18 final."
If you honestly don't think there've been many "snippy comments" from moderators, then you are blind, or don't even read your own posts.... Plus, to say today, six months after a "return of bookmarks" was said to be a "top priority", and would be "back in version 18", that for the "foreseeable future there's no alternative" only underscores why you see the level of dismay, frustration, and disappointment, in so many of the posts, you like to call "rants". Everything rilef said is true & makes absolute sense, a browser should not require a constantly shifting, hit & miss, package of complicated workarounds & jumping through hoops, to just do the simple things all browsers, including Opera, have done for decades!
And to cop an attitude about that frustration, instead of realizing why it's there, is not helpful nor productive in the least.... And I'd advise you to go back & read your past comments, many snippy, and a great many full of false information, like saying bookmarks are back, you can just use this or that, or now this & that, and how dumb we all are for not just using this bar or this terminal workaround, etc.... yet, today, you now admit BOOKMARKS JUST DO NOT WORK IN OPERA 18! Well, thank you, but we've been telling you that for months.......
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A Former User last edited by
Bookmarks work fine in Opera 18, but there are many other reasons for not using it yet.
If you can see a single post or edit by a moderator in this thread, please provide a link to it.
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Deleted User last edited by
I used opera from way way back, and I urged everyone I know to use it as well.
Some time back I became a manager for an IT company, and with this, ehem, power, came the decision to use Opera as the secondary browser for the company (we *could* never forsake IE). Just doing my share to promote the browser.
The latest update, however, is just way too bizarre and frustrating that ive decided not to support the product anymore.
To the opera team, its been a privilege using the best browser ever! You were so far ahead of your peers and in some aspects you still are.
I feel Opera is not just a part, but was a pillar in the history of internet browsing. Along the same veins with Winamp, Napster, etc.
I'm sorry it has come to this, but goodbye.
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soundinhell last edited by
Opera has become the worst browser and I have tried them all.
Where do I import my Opera bookmarks backup?
Why no bookmarks in this horrible updated browser?
Where's the quick bookmark bar that was on top of where you type the website urls?They must have been totally drunk when removing these essential features. Speed Dial is useless like it always was.
Some may say this is whining but its not. Things such as Bookmarks shouldn't be removed from a browser.
After using it for almost 5 years I must say goodbye Opera, you won't be missed after this.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Instead of importing 4,000 bookmarks to Speed Dial, import them to the Quick Access Bar (aka Bookmarks Bar).
Unfortunately, the Quick Access Bar/Bookmarks Bar appears to be an undocumented feature. At least in the Opera help site, which loops back on itself, and never actually allows access to help searches.
1) "Help is just a click away. Select your product:" (Opera for computers in my case)
2) Help for computers: Help Files
3) Search help (anything you want). Enter.
1) "Help is just a click away. Select your product:"
...While people at Google do such a good job at creating a gratifying UX, Opera seems to be intent on the opposite. Only 10% of users use bookmarks—might those be the ones we'd call "power users?" Throw them under the bus! This is why I abandoned Opera years ago after being an early advocate (even paid for the thing).
I just reinstalled it after reading a reco for free Mac apps, and couldn't agree with the OP more. I can't criticize people for being proselytizers for Opera, but I do think I understand better why users of Opera accounted for a whopping 1.2% (Hey, more than Netscape!) of my company's web site visitors last month.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by LeoCG:
Originally posted by priehl:
Unfortunately, the Quick Access Bar/Bookmarks Bar appears to be an undocumented feature.
Because it's experimental yet and not enabled by default on the Stable version.
I appreciate this explanation, but still: ROFLMAO...the year is 2014 and a bookmarks bar has to be 'experimental'-- because it's such a new concept?
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Deleted User last edited by
It may be 2014 but I don't think you fully understand the incredible amount of work to rewrite a browser from scratch. THAT is the reason many features are still experimental.
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Deleted User last edited by
Whatever. I'll take the developers' word for it. They're rewriting the Blink browser from scratch. You choose to believe whatever you like. Bottom line: no one cares what either of us believe anyway.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
Bottom line: no one cares what either of us believe anyway.
It certainly appears that way. For a company whose browser market share is basically a rounding error, you'd think there would be some concern for users. I've provided feedback to developers of several miniscule apps, and received grateful replies, and several of my suggestions have been implemented in the next release.
Opera? Under the bus with you, whiner!
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scorpiopt last edited by
Originally posted by missingno:
Forking Chromium doesn't qualify as "rewriting a browser from scratch".
specialy wen the removed it in the first place chromium has bookmarks by default
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blackbird71 last edited byOriginally posted by Scorpiopt:
Originally posted by missingno:
Forking Chromium doesn't qualify as "rewriting a browser from scratch".
specialy wen the removed it in the first place chromium has bookmarks by default
Do you even realize how a web browser works? It has a rendering engine (a core block of code) that processes the code from a website and makes the result available for display, but the user almost never interacts with the rendering engine - he uses an interface engine that converts commands corresponding to browser "features" into commands that the rendering engine can understand. This is much like a computer, where a user interacts with an application program, which in turn makes use of the code in an underlying operating system.
Opera adopted the Blink rendering engine (which is a fork or variant from Chromium's WebKit), but rather than utilize somebody else's existing interface code, it chose to develop its own hopeully-unique interface from scratch. That means browser "features," to be included, must be coded from essentially nothing to work in whatever way Opera wants them to work, all the while still obeying the coding rules and requirements needed to properly support or communicate with the chosen rendering engine. There are literally thousands of coding nooks and crannies that must be worked out, all without cross-interfering with each other - and all competing for scarce developer resources and scheduling time.
The only way Opera could have "removed" Chromium's bookmarks is if they had adopted Chromium's user interface and cut that part out of it - which they did not, simply because they never adopted that user interface. They chose to write their own from scratch, and bookmarks didn't receive enough initial priority as a feature to merit the necessary initial development time.
Certainly, one might argue over Opera's choice of features to emphasize in initial designs or whether they properly ascertained the priorities of some of them (and I have, elsewhere). But it's erroneous to argue that they cut out something that was never in that which they adopted in the first place. In any case, Opera is free to choose how to develop the browser however they want... and Opera users are free to accept the results or not, If they don't like it, they can always ask for their money back.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
If they don't like it, they can always ask for their money back.
Ever the master of gently-veiled sarcasm.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
... and Opera users are free to accept the results or not, If they don't like it, they can always ask for their money back.
So can users of Google Chrome and Firefox, but they won't over an issue as silly and simple as this.
