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stolis last edited by stolis
@leocg That's your opinion and i respect it. There are a lot of users though that are using more than one browser who can notice different features and how they work to each one of them. So it wouldn't be that difficult understanding them. Without having any other way expressing their opinions how can we be sure about any results.
Either way, if you think it's easier for devs reading so many posts about bugs or malfunctions and try to find ways to fix them afterwords, can't really answer this one.
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sgunhouse Moderator Volunteer last edited by
For the record - it is his opinion. He doesn't work for Opera, neither do I, and we have no say in the matter. But it would not be practical for Opera. First of all, bug fixes can't wait for a vote. Particularly security updates need to be issued immediately. But even new features ... well, some of Opera's changes are inherited from Chromium and even Opera has no say in the matter. But even small changes would take months because they'd need to wait for feedback ... and of course they don't necessarily want other browser makers to know what they are considering, as they won't wait for Opera users to vote before putting it in their own browser.
No. it just won't work.
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A Former User last edited by A Former User
@leocg No it wouldn't look at the Vivaldi forums for practically each and every feature or UI tweak is coming from a user suggestion who has had the most voted (upvoted) suggestion. With exception of under the hood/background improvements. Well actually its not fair to compare Vivaldi given how Vivaldi prides itself of being community driven and letting users take control of their browser while Opera is the complete polar opposite.
Opera should interact more with their customers see what they actually want etc. Also more user will need to vote/be active in the forums.
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A Former User last edited by A Former User
@sgunhouse You are taking what he said out of context and applying what you think he means. He is talking about feature change or addition or abandonment as well as UI change. I think it goes without saying that under the hood improvements and bug fixes will not be required to be voted on. A lot of the chromium features or UI changes can be disabled or altered so they have a Opera has quite a bit of a say actually. Plus does it matter if other browsers implement a similar feature? answer: No it doesn't since they will copy the feature anyways after it's implemented. Opera's issue is that they don't finish their feature completely and when other browsers do it better, Opera just looks terrible. Not to mention all of restrictions on Opera making it quite user unfriendly I'd say.
It does work since a certain browser community is doing just that. And it's known to be a the most personalize and well rounded browser to date.
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zalex108 last edited by zalex108Since most of the support is made by the users, they should deserve the respect on take the suggestions in count.
Even an explanation on why some most popular requests are not even considered:
- Shrink toolbar Extensions
- Multi Profile support
- Extensions Sync
- (Alternative) Extensions list on Sync.Opera.com
- (Alternative) Extensions list on Addons.Opera.com
- (Alternative) Any other better than those
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despite it's a concept, the engine should be updated every year or 6 months to be used for a while instead of just watch the design.--
Concerning votes before any change, I think that would become too slow the advance.
But for the requests, as said.
"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you". 路 Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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zalex108 last edited by
Also,
I don't know how Opera Dev's use Opera for their personal use.
I mean,
most of the requests are made based on a daily use, so do ODevs live in the jungle where a browser is not needed?
"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you". 路 Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@artexjay I know Vivaldi uses that system and may be good for them and for their users, but it doesn't mean it would work for Opera or other browser makers.
For such system to work, there would have to be more participation of the users in the forum and blog discussions, so that voting results could really show what users want. Otherwise, it would be just some (the same) half a dozen people deciding what will happen.
Also, letting the users decide a lot about what will happen with the product may work with Vivaldi, that still seems to be like a college project to me, but may not be that good for bigger companies that need to give some money to their owners, their shareholders.Those, like me, who are using Opera and following its development since very early versions know that Opera used to interact more with the users but it started ending when Opera was sold for the first time and were no longer someone's project but a company that needed to make money.
Vivaldi seems to just be repeating the history.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@zalex108 There are requests that I think would be helpful and useful for most users if implemented, but there are many other that would benefit just a very small percentual of users and would help solving issues that should be handle by other professionals and not browser developers.
Implementing something has a cost and it has to be taken in consideration when adding a feature, an option, etc, in the product.
Nor Opera nor any other company can base their decisions on the opinion of a dozen of users that may not even represent the majority of the users.
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zalex108 last edited by zalex108
The problem is that many of the requests are coded already on the Blink engine and Opera has cut it off.
The most escandalous it's the Ext Toolbar shrink button, which appears when shrinking the O window.
Sync Extensions would have an investment impact but if they don't want to assume it, the mentioned alternatives would be enough.
Actually,
Extensions Sync doesn't sync its setting even on Chrome - if I recall -, but at least the installation step is automatized.FireFox has the automatic install and a Favorites space to have Extensions list on the AddOns user account.
Installed or not, there you can save and pick punctual ones.
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Also,
Extension Dev's seems to share their extensions freely.
Many of them helps the browser/user to be used, and not just for entertainment.So,
I imagine many of them would be very happy if their extensions could be, integrated, featured, listed on a default Bookmark as the most useful, installed or something.I think that some kind of interaction between them is needed since the browser needs extension even for some simple actions - export Extensions list, for example -.
The goal seems other than to achieve a better browsing experience.
Being all this, should be a Lacks list instead of just Features list.
Then all the needs could be worked around before crashes or new installs on new computers / users.
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Now I remember that it doesn't has company environment capabilities, - Policy integration -.
At least what I remember.
"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you". 路 Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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zalex108 last edited by
@leocg said in Users Vote:
@zalex108 Opera has its own UI, so a button that exist in Chromium/Chrome may not exist in Opera.
If you mean the shrink, there's a post with a Gif where appears the behavior.
Don't know if now is disabled somehow.
"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you". 路 Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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zalex108 last edited by
@leocg said in Users Vote:
@zalex108 Regarding extensions sync, this is something I think would benefit lots of users. However, I know that implementing such thing may not be that simple.
I think there is an engine and code that uses Chome and Vivaldi, maybe Opera uses its own, but at least the option to export the Ext list will be much appreciated and a step on the right direction, - help users to use their product -.
"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you". 路 Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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zalex108 last edited by zalex108
Sure,
I do that, but if you want to share the extensions with another person you have to install an extension just to export them.Also,
I do not have the same extensions on all profiles but sometimes I need one of them and do not rememeber the name and can't access the computer to check it.Also,
being on this, Back up the profile should be on the browser.How many people look at the help before use a browser?
For another app maybe many, but for a browser?Even now, many people is not backing up their most personal stuff.
"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you". 路 Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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stolis last edited by stolis
@leocg said in Users Vote:
@zalex108 There are requests that I think would be helpful and useful for most users if implemented, but there are many other that would benefit just a very small percentual of users and would help solving issues that should be handle by other professionals and not browser developers.
Implementing something has a cost and it has to be taken in consideration when adding a feature, an option, etc, in the product.
Nor Opera nor any other company can base their decisions on the opinion of a dozen of users that may not even represent the majority of the users.
Excuse me, but when hundred of posts have been written about the new UI and devs don't seem to bother, shows exactly the opposite. Full indifference to their users. Just an example about their "consideration"
Can you please give us a number of the subscribed users of this forum? Cause i can't believe that so many posts became from a dosen of users. Also all these posts about the changes to video pop-up feature (in 66 edition) came from the minority of users? I don't think so!
What bothers me the most has nothing to do with the features they deride to put in the browser as with the full absence of options to disable them (in most of the cases).
And the most annoying of all has to do with updating. I want to be asked first and not being forced to. That simple.That's the meaning of this topic.
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stolis last edited by stolis
@leocg said in Users Vote:
@stolis Hundreds of posts not necessarily written by hundreds of people. Some people post the same requests several times.
I don't think i would s喂t down and post 20 different messages about the same problem. If you are "implying" all those posts about the UI changes came from a dosen of users then i 've got nothing more to say.
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zalex108 last edited by zalex108
Not sure,
But on the old Blogs comment system I saw many people replying not being using the Forums, - for Dev Builds -.
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For Suggestions just seen "many" people supporting instead of opening New Topic's Suggestions.
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Usually I've not seen to many movement on the forums, maybe a few more on the lasts months, but not too much.
Despite that, and some Reddit users it seems that not too many users uses the Forums.
I don't know on Social Networks but if the active users are on the Forums; Reporting Bugs, Giving Feedbacks, Requesting Suggestions and helping each other, the most the Company could do is taking them in count.
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Just read some News about a supposed Commercial situation on Opera, that would be expected.
Check out the Forum or GHacks.
"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you". 路 Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
