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I agree. It's one of my bugbears. A simple solution would be to do as Firefox does. E.g., have a blue bar at the top of the active tab.

Windows does similar with the active applications on the task bar.

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@yanta said in Microsoft switches to Chromium:

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I'm afraid Opera could lose market shares to Microsoft if MS should succeed in developing a browser with a nice UI and some useful additional features.

For myself it has proven quite hard to shift me from whatever has been my preferred browser. I was a Firefox user for well over a decade. I've now switched to Opera as default (although I still use Firefox). Edge will have to replicate the features of Opera that I've discovered to be compelling to get me to switch.

I should say though that I do not find any one browser to be superior to all other in all respects. Hence I have several installed and occasionally have a need to use one of the others - even Edge as it happens!

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@atomicthumbs I fully agree! In fact one of the main reasons why I switched from Firefox to Opera after well over a decade with Firefox was precisely because of Opera's vertical tab cycler. I thought it was a near-perfect implementation with the previews. It just needed a tweak to stop accidental interference from the mouse.

I used to use Tab Mix Plus for this in Firefox Classic but when Quantum was released we had to settle for the horizontal tab cycler that is even worse than the current Opera implementation.

The flag to disable the horizontal cycler did work OK in 67 but is, as you say, broken in 68.

68 also broke my instant search customisation, where I had set it up to do tab search only, by default. I'd set this up as F2. Now I get both tabs and sites but I can live with that or possibly tweak it back again. I haven't tried. Plus I know you can get tab search through the new magnifying glass or Ctrl+Space.

I do wish devs would stop fixing what ain't broken. I don't mind if they add new features or even change defaults. But don't break previous behaviour unless you're sure that a replacement is superior.

It's not just Opera though. The whole industry is guilty - and I'm a dev myself!

Looks like I may have to implement your fix - although I also live with instant tab search. Yet another major reason why I switched from Firefox!

(Edit: I now have back my F2 which just does tab search, which is fine by me - and the old Ctrl+Tab. Thanks @atomicthumbs But I bet it gets broken again in 69!)

At the moment I have Opera as default and Vivaldi as No. 2 but I can easily see this being reversed given a few more "improvements."

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@leocg it would be nice if you could do that. The old Opera was more flexible in this, although I was only a very occasional user of the old Opera.

I think the way Firefox works in full screen mode is the way to go, but the other browsers don't do it.

I.e., move mouse to the top of the screen and the address bar and tabs become available.

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@stevencee moving the mouse over the magnifying glass lets you see the zoom level. Though it would be nice to be able to see at a glance what setting you're at.

You can also zoom in and out using one-click keyboard shortcuts. By default 0, 6, + and -. You have to enable one-click keyboard shortcuts first though.

Also Ctrl+ mouse wheel if on Windows.

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Just tried. Oh man, that is bad. Must be a regression surely?

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@tioosaminha if you don't care for specific features then don't use them and/or disable them. Don't assume other users have no use for them. We are all different.

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@lucasnorthmi51959 I have several browsers installed too. Main reasons are 1 I'm curious to see what they have to offer that's different from their competitors 2 I find that no one browser is better than all others in every respect. So, depending on context, I sometimes switch for specific tasks.

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@concretable A lot of the time I have too many tabs open to read them anyway (69 right now). I do quite often make use of tab search, which I'd probably use. Typing just a part of the page title or site name is generally enough to find what you want. The incremental search works well.

(I customised Opera so that the instant search does tab-search by default using F2).

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@bkdroid13 Windows 10 and then spend some time customising it to defer feature updates for as long as you possibly can. What you can do varies depending on whether it's Home or Pro that you have.

They've generally added more user control over time so, depending on what version you have initially, you might want to update as far as you can before locking down the update options.

Once you're going generally what you need to do is allow security fixes and (if desired) defer feature updates. It's the latter that will be more problematic if you're unlucky. Waiting as long as possible means a decreased chance of problems.

Personally, I haven't done that (though I like that I have the choice) but my policy is just to wait for Microsoft to deliver me updates. They usually appear some months after availability or sometimes not at all. E.g., they never delivered Creators Update but went straight to Fall Creators both on my desktop and laptop. I also never got 1809. And so far I haven't received 1903. I'm in no hurry!

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@andrew84 that might be the time when I switch my browser default to Vivaldi! (It's currently my no. 2.) I wonder how Opera arrive at these decisions? Do they conduct any user surveys before bastardising the UI?

It's really frustrating because Opera had more-or-less aligned perfectly with my own browsing style and now they're regressing.

It's a pity they cannot just allow both options as top-level customisations.

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@andrew84 said in Opera 68.0.3618.63 Stable update:

@aoirei I don't know. They offer to use OMenu > History for 'recently' closed tabs. But the TabMenu had both 'recently closed' and 'open tabs', that's why there is a plenty of negative feedbacks on forum. They could just restyle the TabMenu and add search feature there, but the they decided to choose the another way.

In my case, having applied @atomicthumbs fix "Edit: I am somewhat happier now. If you want to enable the vertical tab cycler, go to opera://flags/#horizontal-tab-cycler and chrome://flags/#search-in-open-tabs and set them to "Disabled." You'll lose the search in open tabs functionality, which is neat, but an uninterrupted workflow is more valuable to me."

I do get the tab menu with 'recently closed' and 'open tabs.' I've lost the new search in tabs feature but have retained the old search in tabs feature. But I've lost the search in tabs + sites.

However, in my case I only ever used search in tabs so, for the moment, I'm happy. But I expect only until the next version update.

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