Posts made by elrice

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by elrice:

I keep hearing that but most has simply been tucked away by default (such as the menubar which is only an Alt key away or can be set to display).

Custom toolbars, tabs on bottom, small icons mode, find bar at the bottom, etc. Of course back in Fx 4 they already made e.g. cookies management practically impossible to find, so it's just continuing the trend of obfuscating and removing options.

When I say Opera or Firefox seem to be racing to the Chromium-led bottom, I'm not especially likely to be talking about the default interface du jour. I haven't been especially fond of Opera's default interface since 7.5 or so. With the way Firefox is going and Opera is at least adding back a modicum of features, I can only hope Firefox might still be a potential suitor in half a year or so.

Originally posted by elrice:

Now if they decide to go the path of Australis in its current form I might quickly change my opinion, but until then....

The final release of Australis in its current form is due this week, isn't it? Maybe it's time to start changing your opinion.

Australis hasn't made an appearance outside of the UX trunk yet... not even in the regular nightly builds yet so I'll believe that when I see it. Tabs on the bottom went simply through lack of use... I imagine it was an attempt to cater to Opera transitions that didn't pay off. Custom toolbars still a easy option, though custom buttons would be nice... Find bar seems to have returned to the bottom (unfortunately) but might have changed yet again... use a plugin to extend search functions so I might have missed further changes admittedly.

Cookie management also not so hard, but admittedly I do clear cookies mainly on a per domain basis so easy to source through page info....

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by elrice:

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

As far as it goes, Firefox has gone the same way as Opera has - recent versions are based on Webkit rather than their previous engine. I wouldn't bother with it yet. Give it some time to stabilize ... same as Opera.

Um SG, this is the second time I have seen you post this nonsense about FF transitioning to WebKit and it needs to stop. Mozilla has never and never will use WebKit. Mozilla have co-developed Servo but that is yet to make an appearance in their browsers... it's still all Gecko based mate

Never say never.

But yeah, Gecko is alive and well. It's just the Fx interface that received an overhauldowngrade. Not the engine.

Eh? I keep hearing that but most has simply been tucked away by default (such as the menubar which is only an Alt key away or can be set to display). To be honest I strip the GUI back even further (no back, forward, home reload/stop or new-tab buttons) removing any buttons I prefer to hotkey. Now if they decide to go the path of Australis in its current form I might quickly change my opinion, but until then....

Mozilla has said under no terms will they move to WebKit... the eventual transition will likely be to Servo unless that births a new browser altogether which is rather likely. Don't forget Gecko has a much larger developer pool than Presto ever enjoyed which makes troubleshooting an easier process... I dare say if Presto had had that same dev/user base it may not have been ditched the way it has been.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

As far as it goes, Firefox has gone the same way as Opera has - recent versions are based on Webkit rather than their previous engine. I wouldn't bother with it yet. Give it some time to stabilize ... same as Opera.

Um SG, this is the second time I have seen you post this nonsense about FF transitioning to WebKit and it needs to stop. Mozilla has never and never will use WebKit. Mozilla have co-developed Servo but that is yet to make an appearance in their browsers... it's still all Gecko based mate

Originally posted by tankest:

Hey!

The new and otherwise absolutely awesome Opera has been having font drawing issues ever since version 15. Based on small testing it seems that the problem randomly occurs when the font is defined as Helvetica, or "sans serif".

At first I thought it was a problem on my end, as I'm using Font Explorer to manage my fonts (as most designers working with fonts do/should do), but am not so convinced of it any more because:
a) Opera's the first time in 5 years I've encountered this kind of a problem;
b) the behaviour seems to be pretty erratic in Opera as well. For example, when I open the same Wikipedia front page in a new window, it displays just as it should:

But at the same time, Github remains broken even in the new window.
Opera's Discover page menus (topic selection and country selection) used to have the same problem in O15, but they display correctly now.

I doesn't seem to be a common issue as it's still existing in O17, but needing to open Safari all the time to just be able to read some sites is getting stale...

It could be an issue with Font Locker itself. I use Extensis Suitcase Fusion to manage quite an extensive fonts collection and I've had no issues with font rendering... and I'm on Github quite a lot. Try loading the same pages in Chrome as it may be an issue pertaining to Font Explorer having compatibility issues with the Blink rendering engine. Apple went their own way with WebKit long before Google/Opera committed to the fork so it would be a good place to start any diagnosis.

Originally posted by elrice:

Originally posted by ersi:

Stay on topic and give a better answer, if you have it. Do you have it?

Thought so..

Actually unlike you yes I in fact do.

I am finally getting around to sorting out 8+ years worth of accumulated bookmarks, the majority of which are in FF of course, but an ever increasing number scattered between a number of devices, OS's and browsers. In attempting to tackle the problem I've decided to use this opportunity to refresh my bookmarks, a large chunk of which likely contains bookmarks for site no longer live or articles no long available.

While having a decent bookmarks manager is a definite plus, it doesn't even begin to tackle the above problem. Xmarks used to offer a decent online bookmark option but that has definitely gone downhill and nothing in the way of a bookmark specific cloud-based solution has really stepped up to the same calibre. There are many browser-specific options but that isn't all that helpful... this may even go some way to defining why Opera browser stats showed such low usage of in-built bookmarks, as they just don't solve the problem for many who use multiple browsers and multiple devices.

I've currently whittled the solution down to two possible candidates, Pocket and Springpad, and thus far Springpad is looking to be the keeper. It seems to offer the greatest flexibility in terms of bookmark organisation (as well as storing off-line content), good use of tags, using albums as opposed to traditional folders. It also seems the best in support for all browsers... those for which there isn't an extension (have installed the Chrome extension for Opera) these is a bookmarklet option provided.

As I said before, with that many bookmarks I'm refreshing my favourites. I've done a bookmark export from FF to html, which I'm hosting on our server. As I make use of a bookmark I add that to Springpad, thus that way I'm only rebuilding with site links I actually use whilst retaining the archived export as a back-up.

Originally posted by ersi:

I happen to be an Opera user, Opera fan even, so my place is here. I haven't seen the new version (apart from Mobile v.14), so it cannot really displease me. What displeases me is Chrome. And also, the way you talk about v.12 also displeases me, because I have none of the issues with it that you describe. Why are you so wrong in all your assumptions? Are you doing it deliberately?

I seriously think you must be one of the rare few who saw no issues with Opera Presto... even most die-hards could admit there are rendering issues and site compatibility problems. The fact though that you continue to bemoan the new Opera with zero hands-on experience - and given that it continues to evolve further above the basics that Chrome offers, experience in that junkware does not qualify you to judge the Opera builds - really does make you look like a troll

Originally posted by ersi:

Stay on topic and give a better answer, if you have it. Do you have it?

Thought so..

Actually unlike you yes I in fact do.

I am finally getting around to sorting out 8+ years worth of accumulated bookmarks, the majority of which are in FF of course, but an ever increasing number scattered between a number of devices, OS's and browsers. In attempting to tackle the problem I've decided to use this opportunity to refresh my bookmarks, a large chunk of which likely contains bookmarks for site no longer live or articles no long available.

While having a decent bookmarks manager is a definite plus, it doesn't even begin to tackle the above problem. Xmarks used to offer a decent online bookmark option but that has definitely gone downhill and nothing in the way of a bookmark specific cloud-based solution has really stepped up to the same calibre. There are many browser-specific options but that isn't all that helpful... this may even go some way to defining why Opera browser stats showed such low usage of in-built bookmarks, as they just don't solve the problem for many who use multiple browsers and multiple devices.

I've currently whittled the solution down to two possible candidates, Pocket and Springpad, and thus far Springpad is looking to be the keeper. It seems to offer the greatest flexibility in terms of bookmark organisation (as well as storing off-line content), good use of tags, using albums as opposed to traditional folders. It also seems the best in support for all browsers... those for which there isn't an extension (have installed the Chrome extension for Opera) these is a bookmarklet option provided.

As I said before, with that many bookmarks I'm refreshing my favourites. I've done a bookmark export from FF to html, which I'm hosting on our server. As I make use of a bookmark I add that to Springpad, thus that way I'm only rebuilding with site links I actually use whilst retaining have that archived export as a back-up.

Originally posted by ersi:

I happen to be an Opera user, Opera fan even, so my place is here. I haven't seen the new version (apart from Mobile v.14), so it cannot really displease me. What displeases me is Chrome. And also, the way you talk about v.12 also displeases me, because I have none of the issues with it that you describe. Why are you so wrong in all your assumptions? Are you doing it deliberately?

I seriously think you must be one of the rare few who saw no issues with Opera Presto... even most die-hards could admit there are rendering issues and site compatibility problems. The fact though that you continue to bemoan the new Opera with zero hands-on experience - and given that it continues to evolve further above the basics that Chrome offers, experience in that junkware does not qualify you to judge the Opera builds - really does make you look like a troll

Originally posted by hhadess:

By order of installation, 1 adblock, 2 Ghostery, etc.

As a side note, take care with Ghostery.... was troubleshooting with someone else here yesterday over certain pages not loading and it was that plugin which turned out to be the cause

Originally posted by brettpike:

Well played, Elrice. The source of the issue was Ghostery, which apparently has judged Salon and Architizer to be malicious or intrusive. Thanks.

Glad it helped

Sorry but have installed Opera 12 (now called opera classic), Opera Mini, Opera 16 & Opera Next.

Opera mini is just plain crap... constant page refresh, poor caching and missing basic css support. Opera classic is crowded and overall a mess. The Blink builds are a huge improvement although still issues in reporting cache volumes to Android system. Currently moving most between FF and new Opera builds although Dolphin still gets fair amount of use...

Have you tried disabling plugins to see if one or more is the source of the problem? Couldn't replicate the issues this end

Originally posted by ersi:

Originally posted by pieterdh:

The way "Weitere Tools" > "Lesezeichen importieren" doesn't works may be beacause this is a new computer.

Nope. It's because of the innovative way Chropera is developed. That item doesn't work for pretty much anyone. And they call it stable.

OMG Ersi, does this make two operating systems you don't use that you are sharing your little gems in? Not enough sycophants left complaining with you in the main board left?

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by serious:

Win7 was awesome compared to XP and esp. Vista

I don't know; it still comes with Vista's biggest (or at least most immediately obvious) annoyances: the start menu and Aero. Then again, the default XP theme was far more hideous than Aero, but Vista basically broke the classic theme. On XP I actually used Codename Opus. Did I mention I despise thumbnail-based window switching? (Not that XP's icon-based switching is any better.) How am I supposed to tell the difference between the five text documents I've got open? Wait, I know, there's the document title. A text-based list (such as Opera's Ctrl+Tab) is by far the most efficient means of switching between applications. I won't let you get away with singing Windows 7's praise, because besides putting more back buttons in, all the interface changes in Vista suck.

I tend to prefer winkey+tab when multiple documents open... still a visual task switcher but at least sized to be usable.

Out of curiosty, I can understand those with lower sys resources shying away from Aero, but what's the issue with the Start Menu? The in-built searchbar is a god-send.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by serious:

the rss-button

Firefox of all browsers decided no longer to display it by default anymore either, following Chrome's complete and utter idiocy.

Not one of their wisest moves I must say

Originally posted by cuneiform:

But you've been 'clever' enough to have asked whether we'd like to have it set as default at installation.... blah blah blah

Yet another one time poster with nothing but a chip on their shoulder! I know they say not to feed a troll but my god get a life!

I don't think userCSS or userJS available as yet, but you might be able should be able to do with js as a bookmarklet...

Start at Userscripts.org but I think there are a number of such sources....

Originally posted by Lupin-III:

Originally posted by leushino:

Originally posted by missingno:

@leushino
Opera ASA might be alive, but Opera software (as 'we' love it) has been destroyed. They might "rebuilt" it somehow, but given the current progress (next to none) on three version numbers, it will take way longer than Opera 35.

Well, you know... the longer I live the more I recognize that there are always two sides to an issue (and sometimes more). You can speak for yourself and perhaps for a few dozen others who have complained vociferously for the past few months by using the pronoun WE but that's all you can legitimately do. You do not speak for me nor for others here who appear to believe otherwise. I don't believe that Opera has been destroyed. On the contrary, I think Opera is finally coming alive after being stuck in the same groove for nineteen years. I suppose it's a matter of perspectives.

"When are you going to stop being such a hypocrite?" he wondered, his glare reflected in the mirror before him

That sounds about right :yes:

Originally posted by spartaa:

why many people defending - Presto .
when the Opera inc didnt mind at all change it with Webkit?

I think some people have gone into panic mode seeing every the current Opera is at and automatically assuming it will remain in its current state of development. People see the change to WebKit and current stripped-back build and think it all one and the same

Originally posted by ZombayTheOminous:

@elrice

103, 13, this is getting a bit stupid.
And it was supposed to be simple: the "Next" thing lacks key features Opera had. To the extent that I'll certainly be switching to another browser. If it's good enough for you (and I believe it is), then you don't use it the way I do. And that's that.

Besides,how come all you have to say is how crappy Opera was? Nothing to say about the "Next" thing, eh?

Let me see "Zombay"... Your very first post was to come here and act like a drama queen, your profile lists your age as 103 and your handle is that akin to the users forum flamer. If you want to be taken seriously you certainly started on the wrong foot.

As to how crap Opera was. From the point of a developer and wed designer, Opera 12 and below had too many shortcomings:
* Standards-compliance has been behind all the other browsers (apart from IE until MS began starting to show respect to standards with IE9) - not great when your job is constructing web-sites
* Not even close to configurable enough - open up v12 and enter opera:config and open up FF and type in about:config. Now filter in both by entering "tabs" in the search field.... and you try and tell me with a straight face that Opera was the most customisable browser.
* Stability issues - FF may be more of a memory hog (although running FF on a RAM-Drive - a partition created in the system RAM - takes care of speed) but it has long been the more stable
* Tab management - my session here at work, which is set to auto save, has averaged at over 600 tabs. Now way in hell would v12 or below remain usable under that load of make it easy keep organised with that many tabs
* Lack of 3rd party development community - much of what makes FF the browser of choice for more developers and web-based vocations than any other browser is that there is always a tool or add-in for just about any need. FireFTP rivals many paid-for stand-along FTP clients and it sits in FF on its own tab. I have a session manager which hands-down beats anything native to any browser. I have a web-developer add-in which very nicely complements those already in FF.
* Developer tools - Once upon a time DragonFly was the cream of the crop... that simply isn't the case any more

So for all those issues and more, v12 wasn't close to offering what I needed and I'm far from alone in that regard... I don't know a single web-based developer here in Australia who favours Opera. And no, Opera Next isn't there yet and won't be for a while for full-time adoption by thjos in this field, but I like the direction it is moving in, particularly in much improved rendering and javascript management, and especially in finally embracing the idea of 3rd-part add-in support. Opera has long tried to be everything for everyone and was failing dismally at it and the state of Presto's is a testament to that.

As to general home-usage? For the first time EVER I've been able to start recommending Opera to other general users, and once bookmarks are implemented I'll have no difficulty in converting others, particularly Chrome users, or FF users who are after something lighter and cleaner but who have shunned Chrome. With full bookmarks and better tab management it may well become the default browser at home for myself as well. Far from "destroying" Opera they are finally cutting away some of the crud, while already offering a raft of settings (many of which are at this stage under opera:flags until finalised) which Chrome has never had

Originally posted by ZombayTheOminous:

Well you lost me here. Surelly people who liked Opera those 18 - 19 years did so for a reason.
And the reason was not that in 2013 it would "come alive" :lol: .
Opera was cutomizable, had more features and options than the rest, had a built in mail client and more than one way to do things. On top of everything else you'd expect from a top browser.
Those "few dozens" who liked Opera until now? Now you're talking like the Chrome fanatics. Way to go
Naturally there's more than one side to an issue and you really shouldn't expect someone else would speak for you (least of all those with a different opinion), nor should you live to an old age to realize it.
As for perspectives, mine inevitably is that of an Opera user. Not a shareholder.

Well I guess you've seen it all in your 103 years eh? Now if only you'd stop acting like a 13 year old maybe we could have an adult discussion.

One of Opera's biggest problems is it has been doing things pretty much the same way for those 18 odd years, to the point where Presto was lagging so far behind in the adaption of html5 and css3 just do they could keep bogging the browser down in increasingly irrelevant functions. I'm not saying ALL those features were irrelevant but trying to cater to every geek and niche user was killing Opera. It bred a culture where those who found it confusing or who commonly moved to FF (like myself) because opera was cluttered yet not customizable where it actually needed to be... they were mocked and shunned as the community shrank and became near-sighted.

Now that Opera is finally taking a bold move to rebuild and try and find a better balance between adapting to more rapidly evolving standards, while supporting features used by more than just a tiny percent, that little niche of specialist users are horrified. Personally you should be grateful you had your way for so long... any longer and opera likely would have been looking at extinction just for a few users like yourself.

Originally posted by missingno:

@leushino
Opera ASA might be alive, but Opera software (as 'we' love it) has been destroyed. They might "rebuilt" it somehow, but given the current progress (next to none) on three version numbers, it will take way longer than Opera 35.

Missingno... given all the work that has gone on in the back-end (which of course needs to occur before GUI enhancement) I have to say the progress is astounding. I've been amongst the dev community for FF over a decade now as well as working with other browsers as part of my job and I cannot remember EVER seeing such rapid development before.

Well done to the dev team

Will you please be original and read up a little on what is going on - ie, the developer boards, Google etc - instead of just being another one-time poster coming here to complain?