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@andrew84 said in Opera 66.0.3487.0 developer update:

*But that posting text form should open right under the comment that is being replied, not on top like for the new independent comment.

Added to our backlog of improvements.

@andrew84 Yes, that's possible, but first the current solution would have to be re-built to allow linking to an arbitrary comment through a blog post. Currently we only render 10 most recent comments with ability to manually show older comments - this would have to be changed in a way that automatically loads relevant portion of the comments thread that includes the comment you are linking to.
We'll try to achieve that when redesigning the solution to support tree-like view, so if anything, this can be implemented afterwards.

@andrew84 There is no difference. It was added only because more than one person said that link in the timestamp is not obvious and they wouldn't know it's clickable, had they not read about it here.

@artexjay said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:

For the Vivaldi blog you do not need to go to the forums to edit,delete, see the thread in full tree fashion.

Not true, again. On Vivaldi blogs you still need to go to the forum to edit or delete your comments.

The only thing that is correct in your statement is that they render comments in tree-like view. It has been said multiple times in this thread already, that it is on our roadmap and will be implemented soon.

At the same time, we want to make it work better than how it is implemented on Vivaldi, where all comments are rendered oldest to newest. Their approach, while simple and easy to implement, forces users to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page to read new comments, and then all the way up again to write a comment.

Contrary to some claims in this thread, we do think about the user experience. The way Vivaldi does it right now is not a good UX from our perspective, so we are working on figuring out a better solution. Much like we have put a lot of effort into streamlining logging into comments section when on blogs (compare it yourself between our version and Vivaldi's).

So, once again, tree-like view WILL be added here, along with at least some other requested minor enhancements.

Have a nice day!

@artexjay said in New commenting mechanism on Opera blogs:

Only difference is that they have implemented their blogs within the forums for seamless and one destination experience.

Well... no, they didn't. Their blog is using Wordpress (https://vivaldi.com/blog/) and their forums uses NodeBB (https://forum.vivaldi.net/), just like Opera does. They are even on separate domains, as you can see.

@aphaltgrau I definitely would not call it "dodging it".

It is an effort to add such feature and we must know if and how this could be useful for anyone, so that we can prioritize this accordingly, since every change takes time. Implementing this "just because" and "reasons don't matter at all" is not a good way to manage company resources and not a good way to provide meaningful enhancements to you.

@johnd78 Sure, I think I can. Without going into too much details: we decided (long time ago, really - we just didn't have resources to address that earlier!) that Disqus is not fulfilling all our needs:

• Most importantly, it is a burden (on several levels) to maintain multiple distinct channels of communication with our users. This lead to issues being signaled to us several times in different places. That's a duplicated effort for everyone. We wish to make the forums a place where our developers and staff is more active and, by that, we want to make it more useful for everyone. Until now their attention tended to gravitate towards Disqus, not leaving them enough time to participate in discussions here. We hope to change that and that is the main reason for making the switch.
• There are some features that Disqus simply does not provide, like ability to easily pin the same comments thread to several (closely related) blog posts - again leading to duplicated issues and noise in communication, ability to easily reference other comments from other blog posts/threads, or any search tool whatsoever.
• Problems with reliability of Disqus, mentioned before.
• Spam and lack of resources to moderate two distinct channels of communication.
• We fully acknowledge that Disqus it is a more powerful and polished tool, at least from user perspective. It would be weird if it wasn't, given the fact that it is their core product and they have years of development and probably a big team behind it. At the same time it is a "take it or leave it", off-the-shelf product with zero possibility to modify if something is not working for us - which is the case here.

@aphaltgrau That's a regression bug. It used to get you automatically logged in to Forums when you click that button. Thanks for reporting - we will fix that.

Restricting edits to 30 minutes is a practical solution to prevent spam. There is a common pattern where a spammer makes a reasonable and seemingly on-point comment that obviously gets approved by moderation. Few days/weeks later he edits it to include a spammy link in hope it will fly under the radar. That's something I've actually seen being done in our Disqus-based comments, BTW.

Same reason is behind first-post-needs-approval and cannot post more often than X minutes at first.

And yes, you can upload images directly here. You don't need to use any third party service.

@aphaltgrau What would be the reason someone would want to jump back to the same comment from forums to blogs? If you want to see the blog post then the first comment on the thread always includes the link to it. I don't see any other reason anyone would want to do it.

@ockendorf

Forums are tightly integrated with your Opera account. Therefore the username/email/password is always taken from your Opera account and cannot be changed directly on Forums. Due to technical reasons once you choose the username when creating your Opera account, this username cannot be changed. If you really want, you can always create a new Opera account using different username.

Also, to make the Blogs <-> Forums jumping a little less frustrating, we have added a permalink to each comment. To open Forums now you can click on the post relative timestamp that's next to the username (e.g. 15 minutes ago). This will take you to the exact same post on forums.opera.com

@andrew84
Hi, I have just updated Edit Profile page to include a short explanation and a link to the place where you can change email/password:

Thanks for reporting that and hope this helps.

@tullyn Hi, how would you propose to change the design to solve your confusion about Forums account vs Opera account?

As for formatting you can still use Markdown and emoijs when writing comments through embedded thread on Blogs page. What is missing is some sort of WYSIWIG composer like present when writing on forums.opera.com.
While we know this solution is not ideal, adding a full-fledged WYSIWIG composer that can be embedded on Blogs is not a trivial task. Vivaldi, mentioned here several times, does not have this feature either.

If you need to attach a screenshot/image you can definitely do this by writing directly through forums.opera.com and the image will get rendered in the thread on Blogs. Again, same situation as with Vivaldi.

From what I see, the only really valuable thing that we lack, when compared to Vivaldi solution, is the tree-like presentation style for comments. There are some drawbacks (e.g. Vivaldi loads the entire comments thread at once instead of paginating it to optimize page load speed) but I can promise that this is actually something we think about solving.

@burnout426 Yes, I definitely see how this would be useful!

I did a quick check and while it seems possible, it would not be an quick and easy task. Email notifications are sent separately to each subscriber. This means that everyone gets a separate MessageId for his/her email notification. Forums software would have to somehow remember each sent MessageId for each topic and each user, and look that info up when sending out the notifications to include appropriate headers you have mentioned.

And yes, it would have to be implemented in NodeBB core since it would deeply modify how notifications are sent. I would suggest opening a feature request at https://github.com/NodeBB/NodeBB/issues and see what is the NodeBB's team take on this.

@andrew84: You can either delete both (in which case your Forums account will also be deleted) or delete just the Forums and leave your Opera Auth account intact.

@andrew84 You can change both email and password on Opera Auth page. Forums is not storing any passwords.

@aphaltgrau: Of course, we will continue to work on improving the user experience. Tree-like view is already in our backlog, and was there even before this initial release. Cannot make any promises regarding dates, though

@aphaltgrau Yes, this mechanism, for several reasons, will replace Disqus. This means that, sadly, you will not be able to use your Disqus account to comment here anymore.

As for similarity to Vivaldi - yes, we used the same open-source project as the base for this feature and we both use NodeBB for our community board/forums

Have fun, everyone!