Here are some suggestions for those looking for alternatives to Opera 12 (and use Opera Mail)
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korame16 last edited by
Oper has become a bad browser, probably worst than IE.
Netscape went bankrupt because they made an awful bookmark system compared to IE.
Now Opera will cease to exist.
I encourage everyone to leave for Chrome. It's a much better browser, it doesn't have a corporate-like behavior like Opera where they force people to accept the fact that they stopped supporting an easy bookmark-system.
Instead of having a single one-click-button to add and manage bookmarks, you will need now to go and acquire a masters degree in CS, which I happen to have, then spend some hours figuring out how the bad-engineered Opera functioned.That is called bad-programming and UI-design of lowest possible level, which will lead to the ultimate death of Opera.
Long live Chrome
P.S.: Mr. leushino, you are a pain in the a... - Stop complaining about complaint of the worst programming job ever done and try to do something to improve. Put your ego aside for a while, it won't do you harm, and mess with the lousy Opera programmers instead with us. -
Deleted User last edited by
According to Peacekeeper, Opera 18 is doing very well.
Netscape went bankrupt from mismanagement and from MS giving away their browser. It had nothing to do with the bookmark system.
Opera will not cease to exist. In time what will cease to exist is foolish comments such as your own.
I encourage everyone to ignore a :troll: who encourages others to leave. People can make up their own minds without you interfering.
No Masters degree in CS here, but I'm able to place all of my bookmarks in folders on the QAB. It functions very well. -
Deleted User last edited by
Check out the developer v.20. Some of the new features:
Extensions chrome.downloads API (DNA-13993)
Drag tabs onto the bookmarks bar (DNA-12485)
Confirm exit when using Command–Q (DNA-12338) (Mac only)
Improved stash screenshots (DNA-13588). No more blurry scaled snapshots, hopefully (NB: we haven’t tested every URL on the Web)
Improved drag and drop between Speed Dial and Bookmarks Bar (DNA-12723)
Performance improvements of theme loading (DNA-12816)
Settings | Advanced: Use smaller speed dial thumbnails (DNA-12781)
Settings | Power-user: Width and Height of speed dial thumbnails (DNA-12781)http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/12/plenty-in-twenty/#content
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traceelement last edited by
thanks for the info will be checking out sea monkey can't stand the new opera don't listen to leushiTo
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Deleted User last edited by
What can't you "stand" about the "new Opera?" Have you checked out SeaMonkey's performance? I have and it is not something to write home about. I used Chrome 31, Opera 18, Firefox 25, IE 11 (both desktop and modern) and SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey came in dead last on the Peacekeeper site. About all it has going for it is an integrated email client but even that does not function the way Opera's did. Bear in mind that I used Netscape from v.3.0 on up to its demise. SM is a throw-off from that suite and straight out of the 90's. It's clunky as you will soon discover with the "switches" that allow you to remove from view the various tool bars. But hey, if it floats your boat you're welcome to it. :whistle:
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traceelement last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
According to Peacekeeper, Opera 18 is doing very well.
Netscape went bankrupt from mismanagement and from MS giving away their browser. It had nothing to do with the bookmark system.
Opera will not cease to exist. In time what will cease to exist is foolish comments such as your own.
I encourage everyone to ignore a :troll: who encourages others to leave. People can make up their own minds without you interfering.
No Masters degree in CS here, but I'm able to place all of my bookmarks in folders on the QAB. It functions very well.dude the new opera sucks were you even using it before v.15?? personally I'm gonna miss opera it was my baby and I'm glad to have heard about sea monkey from someone who understands what I'm going through besides you're the troll here, take a little of your own advice and let people decide without you interfering! leushito
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traceelement last edited by
Actually I think Maxathon is my new browser of choice. Been able to get it just about the way I had my opera set up and there are a couple of interesting features I may try out (cloud push for example). Well so long guys it was nice while it lasted gonna miss ya. R.I.P. Opera 1994-2013
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kesetrum last edited by
I am webmaster and editing many CSS/HTML code etc.
The main reason why I still stick in Opera 12x are:
- Load back/accident post. AFAIK, only Presto have this ability. even after successfully post, I am still can do revert previous one only click BACK
- The Opera Dragonfly, is different than WebKit or Gecko/Firebug Inspect element.Presto has nice "real time" live mouse hover and show the styles.
- I am still have thousands of Notes instead of important Speed Dial.But, still I am facing the big 5 fact. That my visitor still use Chrome, WebKit, IE and Presto Engine,including Opera Mini.
So, for testing site, I use current Opera 18x and Firefox also IEWell, I remember many years ago. I am using Intel Pentium 300MHz with 256MB of RAM. At that time, IE was buggy and consume high cpu resources. While Firefuk had many memory leakage problem. Only Opera is the winner, can open many many tabs at once with LOWEST memory & CPU consumption. Dang..
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harryward last edited by
Originally posted by Salahuddin1:
I've spent the last several weeks looking for some potential alternatives to Opera 12. Like many of the opinions expressed here, I too have been quite disappointed with the new Opera and have lost trust with the developers and the company.
Hope this helps. Please add any other suggestions to this post for potential alternatives.
I am so glad that you started this thread. Being frustrated with the new Opera is one thing, but to constructively discuss alternatives that might replace Opera 11/12 is great. And for those of us who don't have the skill or time to review all the alternatives and add-ins (thanks so much laurenbacall for your list), this thread is a godsend.
I know your thread title includes 'and use Opera Mail'. I don't, so that feature was not important to me. My alternative browser was Pale Moon (http://www.palemoon.org/). It is also Firefox based, but deletes the E-mail feature and other features that are not commonly used (their technical details tell you which). I have been able to set it up so it closely emulates what I use in my Opera 12. Not mentioned by laurenbacall or others in the '2 Pane Booksmarks' extension for all Firebox based browsers, which shows the bookmark sidebar with the 2 pane style of Opera. I find it a great extension.
I am sticking with Opera 12.x as my primary browser as long as I can, but when I currently get stuck with webpages that don't load, or when the march of technology completely passes Opera Presto based browsers obsolete, I will have Pale Moon.
Harry
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tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
What can't you "stand" about the "new Opera?" Have you checked out SeaMonkey's performance? I have and it is not something to write home about. I used Chrome 31, Opera 18, Firefox 25, IE 11 (both desktop and modern) and SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey came in dead last on the Peacekeeper site. About all it has going for it is an integrated email client but even that does not function the way Opera's did. Bear in mind that I used Netscape from v.3.0 on up to its demise. SM is a throw-off from that suite and straight out of the 90's. It's clunky as you will soon discover with the "switches" that allow you to remove from view the various tool bars. But hey, if it floats your boat you're welcome to it. :whistle:
Chrome might be fast but so is a mentally challenged kid with a hyperactivity disorder, at least until he hits the wall. It crashes more times than a NASCAR rookie.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by Tradeofjane:
Chrome might be fast but so is a mentally challenged kid with a hyperactivity disorder, at least until he hits the wall. It crashes more times than a NASCAR rookie.
That's why it has the multi-process architecture.
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tradeofjane last edited by
Here are a few add-ons you can use to make Firefox and Pale Moon more like Opera 12:
Secure Login (Replacement for the password wand manager in Opera)
FXOpera
Session Manager
Ad-block Plus
Noscript
Fire Gestures
Ghostery
Tabs Open Relative
Speed Dial
Classic OperaIf anyone has anymore let me know.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by rilef:
Originally posted by Frenzie:
One has to love these insane analogies that are served up as if they are suitable replacements for objective truth and verifiable facts.
Indeed. I've pretty much given up trying to counter the silliness that is presented in thread after thread. Opera 18 works for me. In fact, it works beautifully. Anything they decide to add from this point forward, is simply a bonus as far as I'm concerned.
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tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by rilef:
Nor does Chrome, or Opera Blink for that matter, crash more than other browsers visiting the same web sites. In fact, these browsers crash less than other browsers, which are not using the same architecture as Chrome/Opera Blink.
That's complete bullsh*t. Chrome crashes the most out of all the major browsers and is notorious for doing so. Why? Because Google uses the rapid release cycle which causes immature code to sneak into a release if not well managed and limits the amount of time for testing.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Tradeofjane:
Originally posted by rilef:
Nor does Chrome, or Opera Blink for that matter, crash more than other browsers visiting the same web sites. In fact, these browsers crash less than other browsers, which are not using the same architecture as Chrome/Opera Blink.
That's complete bullsh*t. Chrome crashes the most out of all the major browsers and is notorious for doing so. Why? Because Google uses the rapid release cycle which causes immature code to sneak into a release if not well managed and limits the amount of time for testing.
Sez you. Source? (and it should be reliable and not just your say-so which is anything but...)
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harryward last edited by
Originally posted by Tradeofjane:
Here are a few add-ons you can use to make Firefox and Pale Moon more like Opera 12:
If anyone has anymore let me know.
Thanks for that list. Some I never even heard of. A few more that folks might like to make Mozilla based more like Opera 12:
Auto-Sort Bookmarks 2.1
Find Button 1.0.4
Find All 3.5
Quick Search Bar 4.16I had trouble with Classic Opera 1.1, so disabled it several weeks ago.
Harry
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
I happen to have faith in Opera's dev team. Do you?
Not in the slightest. Not anymore.
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danielsro last edited by
Originally posted by laurenbacall:
- Full-featured custom searches. While Firefox does include the ability to add basic custom searches via bookmarks with keywords they aren't accessible via a text selection context menu (in Opera it would be 'Search With>'). Additionally JSON autosuggestion can't be manually added to custom searches.
I created several custom searches accessible via a text selection context menu and with JSON autosuggestion.
Try this and this.Originally posted by laurenbacall:
Strangely Tab Utilities seems to add an irremovable toolbar full of buttons to links of 'Total Commander', 'UltraCompare', 'FreeGate', etc. Bizarre. Can't say I'd want to continue using it based on this experience.
about:config
extensions.tabutils.button.button_UltraCompate -> false
extensions.tabutils.button.button_TotalCommander -> false
etc.Tab Utilities is better than Tab Mix Plus IMHO. Tab stacking.
Originally posted by laurenbacall:
I suppose the benefit of the addon is adding the Keyword input box to the pop-up bookmark star in the addressbar when you first create one, as well as Description, and a few other options, similar to expanding Opera's 'Details' button.
These input boxes are always there, but hidden. I use this UserStyle to display them:
Keyword addition for Add/Change Bookmark -
danielsro last edited by
About Opera -> Firefox...
Tip:
- Right click toolbar -> "Customize". Put buttons in this order: reload-stop, so they will merge into a single button.Some other addons:
- Mouse Gestures Redox (best extension for mouse gestures + rock gestures)
- Advance Cookie Manager or Cookies Manager+
- CacheViewer2 (opera:cache)
- Custom Buttons
- FxIF (EXIF data in image properties, I use it with Element Properties extension)
- HeaderControlRevived (per-site referer, useragent and language)
- InheritPrincipal (execute javascript in urlbar)
- Open in Browser (option to try to display file in browser instead of downloading, I use it with InlineDisposition extension)
- OpenDownload² (option save download in temp folder and autoopen when completed - especially useful for *.exe)
- Scrapbook (most similar to Notes)
- Source Viewer Tab
- Tab Permissions
- Tile Tabs (Firefox does not support MDI, this extension reduces the impact of the problem)
- Link and Forminfo (like Links panel, I use it with View Dependencies extension)
- Add to Search Bar
- Menu Filter (simple and non-buggy extension to customize context menu)
- Organize Status Bar (Revived) (to be able to hide some buttons from statusbar)
- RighToClick (stops javascript annoyances such as forbidden right click, forbidden text selection or cascading dialog boxes)
- switch-to-tab Blacklist (to be able to open the same url in multiple tabs)
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laurenbacall last edited by
Originally posted by kesetrum:
I am webmaster and editing many CSS/HTML code etc.
The main reason why I still stick in Opera 12x are:
- Load back/accident post. AFAIK, only Presto have this ability. even after successfully post, I am still can do revert previous one only click BACK
- The Opera Dragonfly, is different than WebKit or Gecko/Firebug Inspect element.Presto has nice "real time" live mouse hover and show the styles.
- I am still have thousands of Notes instead of important Speed Dial.But, still I am facing the big 5 fact. That my visitor still use Chrome, WebKit, IE and Presto Engine,including Opera Mini.
So, for testing site, I use current Opera 18x and Firefox also IEWell, I remember many years ago. I am using Intel Pentium 300MHz with 256MB of RAM. At that time, IE was buggy and consume high cpu resources. While Firefuk had many memory leakage problem. Only Opera is the winner, can open many many tabs at once with LOWEST memory & CPU consumption. Dang..
So, quick update: I've been using Firefox exclusively for the past month and have found it to be very good.
In terms of the browser remembering entered text it actually does a better job than Opera. Firefox remembers text entered in fields even after closing and re-opening the browser, as well as pressing Back generally. Haven't tried testing submitting a form then pressing back yet. Edit: just did now, and it works :lol:
For memory usage it's stayed between 350MB-450MB running with 25 addons and various userscripts, etc. So far a very positive experience coming from Opera 12, although it's no easy task setting it up initially with the type of things I wanted to customize. Once I did, however it's a pretty solid
