Vivaldi
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A Former User last edited by
Agree blackbird71! It's also worth noting that if Opera had ceased to exist after v12, then the Opera Forum and Opera Blog wouldn't exist. This means that the negative reactions to the newer browser wouldn't have existed either. And I'm certain this Vivaldi browser has a lot to do with observing the negative reaction to Opera Blink and aiming to provide a browser for the nostalgic crowd.
But the real design labor lies ahead, because expectations are always higher for a stable version than a Tech Preview. Where expectations are higher, criticism will be harsher.
It's funny, over at the Opera Blogs, people are singing Vivaldi's praises, as if they've ascended to heaven or whatever. Plus some are already commenting on the lack of certain features!! I feel Vivaldi users will be a tough crowd to please over the next year.
http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2015/01/opera-27-computers-bookmarks-tabs-navigation-bar/So if Vivaldi can eventually do what I had expected from Opera to be done...
As I said in a previous comment to a similar remark, you don't own Opera, which is free btw so stop with this 'what I had expected' remark. No-one, except Opera has any claim or rights to the features in Presto and it's certainly not Opera's duty to serve them to you. Opera have already stated they are not going to fully implement all of Presto's features (and will be creating some new ones). You now have this Vivaldi nostalgia project for that.
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christoph142 last edited by
you don't own Opera, which is free btw so stop with this 'what I had expected' remark
People are free to expect what they want. I had expected Opera to do it, but they didn't. Expecting sth. doesn't mean you're demanding it to happen. (Though I still do demand some features like tab stacking and private tabs and I'm free to do this as well ^^)
it's certainly not Opera's duty to serve them to you
Well, they can obviously do whatever they want, but they better start listening at some point for their own good...
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A Former User last edited by
...but they better start listening at some point for their own good...
Why? To satisfy a handful of people like you? Opera have already stated they want the browser to grow out of it's niche. And that's all Presto was, a niche browser loved by a handful of geeks/power users and largely ignored by browser testing web designers.
Btw, I 'expected' Adobe to keep selling copies of their Creative Suite and they decided to force everyone to subscribe to it making it too costly for many. Expecting things to always remain as they are, especially with software, will only lead to disappointment.
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christoph142 last edited by
Expecting things to always remain as they are, especially with software, will only lead to disappointment.
Thanks for the lesson, @cozza, but I know my way around here. ^^
I'm studying computer science. I know how business works. And I'm not deaf. I do understand that not every feature request can and will be heard, but that doesn't mean I'm not free to request it.
I have filed many feature requests internally and I'll keep fighting for things that are important to me. It's up to Opera if they deem those relevant, too. -
A Former User last edited by
The word request is very different to the word expect. I was talking about the use of the word expect.
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christoph142 last edited by
I don't know since when you're around, but "had expected" referred to the times before O15 was released, when users were left in total silence implying they would only switch the engine and keep the rest. Most (if not all) of us did expect that back then.
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sgunhouse Moderator Volunteer last edited by
Since switching to the Blink engine, Opera has had a tough task. They need to do something to differentiate themselves from the exiting browsers. Speed improvements are nice, but only so much is possible in that area precisely because it is the same engine. Given their previous product their existing users had certain other expectations of how Opera would differentiate their browser from others; but Opera seems to have chosen a different route.
Now along comes Vivaldi, trying to do exactly what people expected Opera to do. If Opera continues to do what it has then most of the former Opera users will switch, pure and simple. But Opera/Blink has a higher market share than Presto was ever able to achieve, so I for one do not see the company going away any time soon. Not like Vivaldi will either of course.
The question is, will Vivaldi ever get past Presto's previous 1-2% market share? Not that being a niche browser is untenable from a business perspective, but I'm sure they would hope for more. And now that Opera will be somewhat freed of pressure to mimic Presto, which direction should they go?
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christoph142 last edited by
Uuuh, Steve, you said "expect".
Now you have to fear @cozza's homily, too...
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blackbird71 last edited byFWIW, Opera's words at the time followed along the line that the move away from Presto was "mainly just an under-the-hood change". That did indeed raise certain expectations among Opera's userbase that much of the user-side of Opera would be preserved. I cannot help wondering whether or not those initial words were the result of naivete at the time by those who issued them regarding the inherent architectural issues with Webkit/Blink. But to be fair, there were other words issued at that same time by Opera cautioning users that Opera was intentionally targeting a broader userbase, and that there was no guarantee that certain Opera features would be continued.
In any case, that's ALL in the rear-view mirror now. What I or others hoped for, expected, or simply dreamed would happen has unfolded in its own unique way. Blink Opera is now here for all to see and use. Vivaldi is now emerging for users to also see and use. Both browsers are likely to follow their own distinct paths into the future. Other browsers offer still other paths. The world is constantly changing, software as well. I'm just grateful for the choices still being offered, whether or not any one of them fully meet my hopes or expectations.
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blackbird71 last edited by
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The question is, will Vivaldi ever get past Presto's previous 1-2% market share? Not that being a niche browser is untenable from a business perspective, but I'm sure they would hope for more. And now that Opera will be somewhat freed of pressure to mimic Presto, which direction should they go?I believe the real question is how to truly grow market share without simply eating each other's lunch. If Vivaldi were to absorb "most of the former Opera users", then Opera's remaining market share stats won't look good at all. To truly grow, both browsers have to figure out ways to successfully move users away from Chrome, IE, and FF, since they own the vast share of the browser market. I'm frankly not yet convinced either Opera or Vivaldi really knows yet how to solve that problem. There's a major chasm between having neat, creative technical ideas and having (and promoting) sound, creative concepts that can come to dominate an existing marketplace.
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loxiw last edited by
I do not like that flat design, apart from that it's really interesting and I'll consider swapping when the time arrives, that depends of Opera
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georgesywf last edited by
According to the review of Vivaldi browser on a blog it say that
"Like turbo or off road mode which enables anyone to save data, Vivaldi doesn’t seem to have one "
What you guys think, does vivaldi have a data saving feature or not ?
If not can we expect it in future ?
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blackbird71 last edited by
+1 to what @sgunhouse just wrote. So far, this is just a Technical Preview version, akin to what Opera was releasing developmentally prior to v15. Jon has already noted Vivaldi plans approximately weekly update releases, starting shortly. So let's just see how it all unfolds before jumping to any conclusions about anything.
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ozoratsubasa last edited by
The interface is entirely written in HTML. That makes it incredibly flexible. You can basically do anything you want with it.
This is interesting
Vivaldi is a good browser for power users, but for beginners it is not. Sometimes a person just to browse on the web and don't need a software with a lot of features that does not need.
I think different: Vivaldi as the old Opera give a lot of options for browsing. The user will just use the necessary features for him. Even I being a "power user", neither all of old Opera I used (or used less).
UI is very sluggish.
Yeah, i hope they improve it soon
Otter is closer to old Opera than Vivaldi. Vivaldi is a better Chropera, but still Chropera.
Yeah, I am thinking now if the dev will keep the Otter, now the Vivaldi Browser came out. Anyone knows?
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christoph142 last edited by
UI is very sluggish.
Yeah, i hope they improve it soon
A huge performance bug was fixed recently. So the next public developer build (soon! ;)) will be mostly fine for anybody not using very high screen resolutions.
Otter is closer to old Opera than Vivaldi. Vivaldi is a better Chropera, but still Chropera.
Yeah, I am thinking now if the dev will keep the Otter, now the Vivaldi Browser came out. Anyone knows?
Jon is in contact with him. Time will tell. :sherlock:
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namal23 last edited by
I don't like the name though...vivaldi..I wonder who and how they came up with that name
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namal23 last edited by
I was thinking the same, weird name.
Ok, I have done some thinking. Vivaldi was a componist and he wrote some operas
