Tabs overflow, suggestion

  • Possible solution for tabs overflow problem: When hovering over tabs, tab under cursor should expand to show title. Tabs size should expand smoothly, but instantly to give immediate title to user.
    Can something like this be done?
    http://sta.sh/01gddfdxad4h

  • Here I made a gif animation:
    http://sta.sh/026k28076ipp

  • I guess that Tab Menu is Opera's approach on this.

  • I guess that Tab Menu is Opera's approach on this.

    It's from chromium's experimental flags. Opera didn't invent it, it was already there, so they set it on, on default.
    And it's not a good solution.

  • what-is-this, I think this is a very good solution of the tab overflow problem!

  • what-is-this, I think this is a very good solution of the tab overflow problem!

    Thank you :) I guess in a sense It would feel like a magnifier :)

  • It's from chromium's experimental flags. Opera didn't invent it, it was already there, so they set it on, on default. And it's not a good solution.

    Umm ... NO! They do not have tab menu. We did it ourselves and did not inherit it. Perhaps you should try it first before assuming it is something they have

  • Also you don't even need to use Tab menu to see the title. Switch on the large tab previews in settings and you will be able to see the title when you hover them. The problem is already solved.

  • Possible solution for tabs overflow problem: When hovering over tabs, tab under cursor should expand to show title. Tabs size should expand smoothly, but instantly to give immediate title to user.

    I absolutely disagree - I hate any unnecessary animations, they distract me (perhaps I have got some mental problem?). Sure I have nothing against making such behavior optional :)

    Somewhat related: Instantly displayed tooltip with tab title would be welcome. Well, current behavior (I have disabled full-size tabs preview of course - you should already have guessed that :)) is already quite usable - first tooltip appears after system delay, subsequent ones are instant. If you could disable tab captions last letters dimming also, replacing those with 2-3 dots, would be even better... ;)

  • It's from chromium's experimental flags. Opera didn't invent it, it was already there, so they set it on, on default. And it's not a good solution.

    Umm ... NO! They do not have tab menu. We did it ourselves and did not inherit it. Perhaps you should try it first before assuming it is something they have

    Ah, you are right, I apologize for that. It's in Slimjet browser, and it's in their flags, not chromium, I assumed it was in chromiums, since they don't mention it as their feature. It's identical and it was available for a loooong time before Opera! Anyway Menu was available through extensions for years and I never liked that. You can't manage opened tabs from menu. And it's not a solution!
    It's 2 clicks to activate tab, which is not acceptable!

    Also you don't even need to use Tab menu to see the title. Switch on the large tab previews in settings and you will be able to see the title when you hover them. The problem is already solved.

    It's too clunky, too BIG, and appears way too late. I prefer a normal hint than this, but it should display in few ms, not in 400ms (which is systems default)...
    I will NEVER use tab preview! Opera 12 has a small preview which is much better and I can stand that.

    Sure I have nothing against making such behavior optional

    Yup, I think this way too, "never push something new, that can't be disabled" :)

    Anyway devs, if you blindly deny any suggestions without any second thoughts, your browser will be forever criticized and slowly abandoned. People ask for tabs stacking or a sidepanel which are another 2 solutions. For example if you give as a way to write extensions, which could be displayed in a sidebar, that way we users (like me) will make this browser better. We could make Notes, Windows list, like Opera 12 had, and bookmarks. Those few things are a must!

  • I'm not Opera dev of course, but:

    Anyway devs, if you blindly deny any suggestions without any second thoughts...

    Ah c'mon, devs do not deny blindly any suggestions. Have you developed complex software and especially reimplemented it from scratch on new platform? I have and I can assure that this is really nasty task (and may even kill your company, if your only income comes from this software). At first you have to make basic things work, then you need to find something to offer for new customers and then you discover, that many of your old customers are really pissed off, because every one of them did use some seemingly uninmportant (and different for each case) option, which you decided not to include into new version initially. And then you count, how many human years it actually took to implement all this into old version and wonder, what to do next, how to make your old users happy, what changes to reimplement first, what later, what keep on waiting-forever list and so on and so on.

    Situation looks very similar to me with the new Opera.

    Sorry for off-topic.

    On tabs - I would also welcome reimplementing taskbar, where I could see either tab address or title (or even both) while hovering tab caption. Yes, this makes looking at tab caption somewhat harder (tabs and taskbar are located far away), but for quick check for hitting correct tab it works for me in older Opera very well.

  • @donq, I know what you mean. Anyway my post was pointed at @ruario as he said "The problem is already solved." which is pure bull$hit. Tabs menu is not a solution for tabs management. I will keep repeating it forever.

  • Only 2 people commented on my suggestion, all other went off topic... And Opera employee completely ignored my idea probably without even looking at my images. And bringing topic about tab previews which has nothing to do with my suggestion, and by review on blog results that people don't even like it... I've admitted my mistake about menu, but my point still stands, menu is uncomfortable and probably it's rarely used by anyone. Is there any moderator who can clean that up? Leave just first 2 comments and please people, don't bring up the features that are already there, because it's a feature request/suggestion and not a problem solving section.

  • and please people, don't bring up the features that are already there, because it's a feature request/suggestion and not a problem solving section.

    Well, if someome suggests something that is, somehow, already covered by a existing feature, people for sure can reply pointing out that feature and the one who made the suggestion is free to agree or not like you did.

    The main target of this Suggestion's forum is to discuss about the suggested features and try to show to developers how they (the suggested features) may be useful for most users and not just for a few.

  • Now talking about your suggestion, it seems to be another way to see a tab's title which is already covered by tab menu and tab preview imho. In fact you can see them just by hovering the mouse on the tab.

  • Not really, it's how you switch tabs. Menu is a 2 click solution, and when you have more tabs you have to scroll as well. As for tabs preview, it covers your actual page, and when you accidentally hover over the tabstrip it gets annoying. So I guess disabling tabs preview on default was a good choice :)

    The other way to see tab's title is a hint which is already there, but first one shows with a default system's delay time. I said before it's 400ms, but it's actually 1000ms. If Opera uses CToolTipCtrl they can use CToolTipCtrl::SetDelayTime function to set it to a very low value.
    But I don't know if Opera folks would even apply this. It appears they don't listen to a mere humans :P

  • There seems to be need for some translation [between users and developers and bystanders] :)

    I hope I can get this right - problem is that there doesn't exist quick, simple and unobtrusive way to identify tab title (and/or page address). what-is-this suggested solution(s) to this problem. Ruari misunderstood problem core and offered solutions to different (although related) problem, we all others started to comment on various less or more off-topic side questions.

    Like it always goes on internet forums :)

  • I hope I can get this right - problem is that there doesn't exist quick, simple and unobtrusive way to identify tab title (and/or page address).

    Yes. And thank you :)

  • Currently you can hover tha mouse on a tab and see its title, so the only difference in the suggestion would be the animation.

  • Yes, that's exactly what this suggestion is about! :)

    And I would prefer it this way, as it would look more clearly and be faster. Of course it can be optional for those who don't like it.

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