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    Which is the best version of Opera (EXCLUDING anything past 12.17) and why??

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    • kroppy
      kroppy last edited by

      Moreover, even if they have decided to not add panels ever, that doesn't mean they don't care, it simply means they don't agree that it's important enough to the user base which they're trying to successfully target with their finite design resources.

      So why nobody responds to those posts?

      I've seen a feature request for a side panel with a possibility to display extensions content

      I posted that suggestion 😛 here on forum, and few times on Desktop blog.

      And to stay on topic, I've used version 9, after which I started using Mozilla (now Seamonkey). Then I went back to Opera (already 12), so I don't remember what exactly changed. And I still use Opera 12.16 and I use it just for tabs stacking which I miss so much in new blink Opera.

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      • joshl
        joshl last edited by

        What is that tabs stacking and why?

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        • kroppy
          kroppy last edited by

          What is that tabs stacking and why?

          Wait what? Are you serious? You don't know what it is?

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaaYp8544bs

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          • joshl
            joshl last edited by

            No YouTube - I'm always listening to the radio (online).

            You don't know what it is?

            Nope. I'm with 11.63 (as it showed last time I checked).

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            • blackbird71
              blackbird71 last edited by

              Moreover, even if they have decided to not add panels ever, that doesn't mean they don't care, it simply means they don't agree that it's important enough to the user base which they're trying to successfully target with their finite design resources.

              So why nobody responds to those posts?

              I've seen a feature request for a side panel with a possibility to display extensions content

              I posted that suggestion here on forum, and few times on Desktop blog. ...

              A lot of posts in these forums (and user comments in the Dev Blogs) don't generate a specific developer response. Opera has historically been rather silent about responding to specific suggestions, whether they eventually include them or not. Moreover, if the devs happen to disagree with your view of the importance of a given suggestion, to respond in that way would almost certainly cause more "hate & discontent" than simply saying nothing... an opinion that's based on quite a few such examples I've noted here and at the MyOpera forum over the years. We users are often a very contentious lot... 😉

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              • kroppy
                kroppy last edited by

                Nope. I'm with 11.63 (as it showed last time I checked).

                I will explain in words; When you drag one tab to another, it creates a group, next one you drag to it, adds to that group. Groups can be expanded and collapsed. That's it.

                Btw, the another awesome way to manage tabs in Opera 12 is a "windows" panel, which is great for widescreens. I use it at work where I have 2 screens 🙂

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                • joshl
                  joshl last edited by

                  Grouping?
                  Not seen much use of it.

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                  • stng
                    stng last edited by

                    I will explain in words; When you drag one tab to another, it creates a group, next one you drag to it, adds to that group. Groups can be expanded and collapsed. That's it.

                    I've found this feature utterly annoying in the page bar (obstructive when moving tabs). And the Desktop Team didn't added opera:config's option to disable tab stacking :down: .

                    But TS is very useful in the "Windows" sidebar panel.

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                    • kroppy
                      kroppy last edited by

                      If you usually keep around 10 tabs open then you don't need it. I usually keep around 30-50 tabs open and I usually group them by a research topic. I'm graphics designer, so I very often search for a lot of (cars/furniture/nature) reference images and I tend to open them in new tabs to save/examinate and so on, later.

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                      • kroppy
                        kroppy last edited by

                        But TS is very useful in the "Windows" sidebar panel.

                        Yup, it creates you a tree which is very, very! comfy 🙂 You can collapse groups if you have a lot of them 🙂

                        PS. LOL, another thread about Tab stacking opened just a few minutes ago, just when I've started to talk about it.

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                        • joshl
                          joshl last edited by

                          Ah, there was "Sessions"!
                          You reminded me about it by all this stab tacking - one could use windows and sessions to handle large groups of pages, especially when you don't need them all at once

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                          • noodles7
                            noodles7 last edited by

                            people like leushino just peace me off (he hijacks everyones threads, breaking rule 5 of this forum)

                            I understand you perfectly. I got the same feeling.

                            I also use stacking, it is a power feature for organisation.
                            For Windows TS I use full panel because there are lot of web documents with long title which doesn't fit well in a small side-panel and I don't like my panel use half of my screen.

                            For going back to topic, if I remember correctly, 12.02 is last 12 version supporting Unite.

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                            • falloutboy09
                              falloutboy09 last edited by

                              Ah, there was "Sessions"!
                              You reminded me about it by all this stab tacking - one could use windows and sessions to handle large groups of pages, especially when you don't need them all at once

                              And now imagine sessions with sorted groups of opened tabs in them.
                              and voila u got a normal day in my past days (Opera 11)

                              But indeed the option to save actual sessions was extremely helpful as I was looking for new job or researching something particular.

                              Oh and a feature I miss is that ... if you write something in a Forum answer box, and accidentally close the tab, or press back, and come back to the answer box - what you typed is gone.
                              This was killing me for weeks while using 24 Opera, as I was so used to switch back and forth and keep on writing.

                              Feature: The Wand
                              Ahh having multiple logins for a page, most of them just different by the last digit. Just hit ctrl+enter, hit the down key a few times, hit enter, you're logged in.
                              That is something I was sooooo used to, and I am so used to Opera handling my accounts that hoping on 24 was really a bad day. Heck I couldn't remember most of the login data 😞 As since the dawn of time, Opera knew all about them 😃 So yes, the old listing of accounts in the Wand - that was really practical.

                              As I previously sad, for me it is not really bound to a specific version, it is more about the whole package that Presto Opera offered. Till they dropped Opera Unite, that day I didn't update anymore.

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                              • lusht
                                lusht last edited by

                                Same, I stick with 12.14 while it is still possible.

                                Yes, it is slow as hell now on new pages loaded with lots of bull.
                                Yes, no full support of HTML5 and html5 video/streaming.

                                But the features of old good Opera outweigh disadvantages.

                                if only Opera devs would realize that nobody really cares about another Chrome clone... oh well.

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                                • Deleted User
                                  Deleted User last edited by

                                  Why would you think that the devs don't care?f Is it just because they don't happen to be turning Opera Blink back into Opera Presto? To say that "no one cares about another Chrome clone" is patently false for the simple reason that Opera Blink is not a Chrome clone. I love the new browser and many others do as well. Another thread was started recently titled Paying My Respects so there are others posting here besides complainers. No doubt I'll be labelled as high-jacking this thread since I'm posting a contrary view but that is my privilege. I stand by Opera's new direction and encourage them to keep on the same path. Ultimately Opera will experience success as other... new users discover it. Sticking with an older browser which is a security risk (12.14 needs to be patched) is taking an unnecessary risk and saying that its features outweigh how slowly web pages load is ridiculous. A browser that can't load pages reasonably fast and stumbles on the most popular websites is not a browser that most would choose. Ergo: Opera Presto is dead. Deal with it.

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                                  • leocg
                                    leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by

                                    @leushino The best policy to deal with first time poster with a newly created account that crearly just came here to rant and/or to post a flamebait is to ignore them. Replying to them is, very often, just a waist of time and a fuel to the flame.

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                                    • Deleted User
                                      Deleted User last edited by

                                      Sorry, Leo. I should have known better. You're quite right in your suggestion.

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                                      • Deleted User
                                        Deleted User last edited by

                                        They will stop using Presto soon or later, Leushino.

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                                        • noodles7
                                          noodles7 last edited by

                                          The later, the better.

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                                          • joshl
                                            joshl last edited by

                                            No other browser, ever, has sound notifications.

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