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    • hucker
      hucker zuletzt editiert von

      Opera is based on Chrome, yet they managed to break the title bar. I have Windows set to show one colour for in focus and one for not in focus, so I can tell what's in focus, obviously. And yet Opera just stays grey all the time. Why deliberately stop something working? Do you do it to annoy people?

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      • leocg
        leocg Moderator Volunteer @hucker zuletzt editiert von

        @hucker In fact, both Chrome and Opera are based on Chromium. And none of them have a title bar, unless you are calling title bar something else.

        And it's known that Opera own UI only have light and dark themes.

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        • hucker
          hucker @leocg zuletzt editiert von hucker

          @leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:

          @hucker In fact, both Chrome and Opera are based on Chromium. And none of them have a title bar, unless you are calling title bar something else.

          It always has been and always will be called a title bar.

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          And it's known that Opera own UI only have light and dark themes.

          Windows has global themes, why would I want one app ignoring them? I can't tell if Opera is in focus.

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          • leocg
            leocg Moderator Volunteer @hucker zuletzt editiert von

            @hucker Strange name. And that part in Opera and other browsers would be the tabs bar.

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            • hucker
              hucker @leocg zuletzt editiert von hucker

              @leocg Title bar is what Windows has always called it for any app, I'm not talking just about browsers. You wouldn't call it a tab bar in a program without tabs. I assume Windows isn't your first OS 🙂

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              • Anawilliam
                Anawilliam Gesperrt zuletzt editiert von

                I can suggest that the issue you are experiencing with the title bar in Opera could be a design choice made by the Opera development team or a bug that needs to be fixed in a future update. It's also possible that the feature you're describing is not currently available in Opera, but you may be able to achieve a similar effect using an Opera extension or by modifying your Windows settings. It's best to check the Opera forums or submit a support ticket to the Opera team for more information and assistance with this issue.

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                • burnout426
                  burnout426 Volunteer zuletzt editiert von

                  What Leo is saying is correct. The real Windows title bar for Opera's window is hidden and not used. What you see is a drawn area at the top of the window's content that serves as a tab bar. It has minimize, maximize/restore, and close buttons on it to simulate those functions from the title bar, but it's not the actual title bar for the window and therefore doesn't respond to Windows color changes/settings.

                  So, that's why what you want doesn't automatically work in Opera. But, with that said, Opera should be able to put in the work to make the tab bar change colors according to the Windows settings if Opera decides they want to do that.

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                  • hucker
                    hucker @burnout426 zuletzt editiert von

                    @burnout426 Are you saying to enable being able to put tabs on it, they had to not set up a normal title bar, then had to simulate all the title bar functions? It certainly behaves as one in every other way, like double clicking it to maximise.

                    Opera isn't the only one, there are a few other programs which don't use the global colours, it's very annoying. In the good old days, the window in focus was say blue, and the ones not in focus were say grey. This means you could instantly tell which app will respond to keyboard input. It's even more likely you get the wrong one if you scroll a window in one app, then assume it's in focus, but it isn't. You can use the mouse wheel leaving it in the background.

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                    • leocg
                      leocg Moderator Volunteer @hucker zuletzt editiert von

                      @hucker The color of the edge (the thin line that surrounds the app window, don't know how to call it) changes when Opera is not on focus. I guess it happens on other apps also.

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                      • hucker
                        hucker @leocg zuletzt editiert von hucker

                        @leocg Yes I noticed that, but it's about 1 pixel wide, so hardly noticeable, and it's not there at all if it's maximised.

                        Opera Mail has tabs and that has a changing bar colour, so it is possible. They've just chosen to pointlessly remove something useful.

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                        • leocg
                          leocg Moderator Volunteer @hucker zuletzt editiert von

                          @hucker Right, but the title bar color wouldn't make any difference with the app maximized.

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                          • leocg
                            leocg Moderator Volunteer @hucker zuletzt editiert von

                            @hucker Opera Mail is from more than a decade ago, things were different back on that time.

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                            • hucker
                              hucker @leocg zuletzt editiert von

                              @leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:

                              @hucker Right, but the title bar color wouldn't make any difference with the app maximized.

                              Being maximised doesn't change what the title bar colour does.

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                              • hucker
                                hucker @leocg zuletzt editiert von hucker

                                @leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:

                                @hucker Opera Mail is from more than a decade ago, things were different back on that time.

                                Yes, different as in they worked. Everything gets less sensible as time goes on. The number of things they've removed in Windows 11 since Windows 7 is absurd. The start menu is completely unusable, you have to install 3rd party software to make it work again. Modern apps are so vague, you just have to hope they're going to do what you say. There's no standard for changing settings - some things require an ok/apply button, some change instantly. Will it stay the way I put it or should I look for an ok button?

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                                • hucker
                                  hucker @leocg zuletzt editiert von

                                  @leocg said in Title bar ignores Windows setting, but Chrome obeys it!:

                                  @hucker Opera Mail is from more than a decade ago, things were different back on that time.

                                  I still use it, it's a brilliant program and they should never have abandoned it. I use it for email and newgroups and it's got a brilliant filtering/sorting system. Only drawback is the index gets very clogged up and I have to do regular tidying up.

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                                  • leocg
                                    leocg Moderator Volunteer @hucker zuletzt editiert von

                                    @hucker It's maximized, you are seeing it, it's the active app. No need to use any color.

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                                    • hucker
                                      hucker @leocg zuletzt editiert von

                                      @leocg But it does, I still get the correct foreground colour in most apps when they're maximised.

                                      And you're forgetting some people have more than one monitor. I have 5! Not enough room on one.

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                                      • leocg
                                        leocg Moderator Volunteer @hucker zuletzt editiert von

                                        @hucker Hmm, it seems that someone has some difficulties in adapting to changes. Or it would be that someone needs to get some attention and start complaining about things that have been there for a long time?

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                                        • leocg
                                          leocg Moderator Volunteer @hucker zuletzt editiert von

                                          @hucker I was an Opera Mail user when it was part of Opera Presto. When it becomes a standalone app, I just realized that I didn't need an email client.

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                                          • leocg
                                            leocg Moderator Volunteer @hucker zuletzt editiert von

                                            @hucker That would be the exception.

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