I cannot believe that we're on Opera 25 and still don't have CUSTOM DEFAULT SEARCH ENGINE
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radarnyan last edited by
What is Opera?
Opera is a fast and free alternative browser, made to discover.
(official statement at opera.com)What keeps your system safe&clean from virus/malware?
Antivirus or anti-virus software (often abbreviated as AV), sometimes known as anti-malware software, is computer software used to prevent, detect and remove malicious software.
(via Wikipedia)In what case a user's browser settings like default search engine would be hijacked?
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You ignored or your browser / OS / antivirus software failed to notify you about a unsafe download.
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Your antivirus software fails to warn you when a unsafe executable be launched and fails to protect your system from it.
When the antivirus software fails to protect the system, which means in that case your system would contain some malware or virus, would you really trust a browser to protect you when your system is insecure?
So you mean a browser shouldn't consider security at all?
Of course NOT. A browser could (and should) keep user safe when surfing the internet, which includes (but not limited to)
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Suspend connection and notify user about bad certificate, to secure SSL connections
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Warn user about a known unsafe site that may contain malware
(but still, allow user to access it anyway and prevent danger scripts to harm user's system, that's why we have sandbox in Chromium) -
Warn user about a unsafe download, for example when it's a known malware
(but still, if user decide to run it anyways, it's antivirus software's job to prevent system from being damaged)
And what about locking the default search engine?
When your system is insecure, locking the default search engine means nothing.
Locking the default search engine means NOTHING
(I said it twice since it's important)
The attacker could, for example, change your DNS server to attacker's without you even know it. In that case, when you're trying to access a site (let's say Google.com) it could be resolved to attacker's site. It's not hard for the attacker to add his own certificate as trusted, so in this case https can't protect you. Your connection would be still be encrypted, but not to Google's server, to attacker's server.
Is it necessary to have some protection on search engine?
Absolutely yes. But NOT like what Opera does.
Let's take a look at what Google Chrome does about search engines:
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There are build-in search engines. But you can edit them, remove them (all) as you wish.
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You can add your own custom search engine, and set it as default.
So how does Google Chrome prevent unwanted change to search engine?
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A extension could add a search engine, but may not override the default settings without user knowing it.
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A extension couldn't be installed without user knowing it.
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A extension doesn't come from Chrome Web Store will be disabled at every startup of browser (on stable/beta channels only)
In short: Google Chrome prevents search engine settings being changed without user knowing it while using the browser.
In conclusion, a browser, should offer user a safe Internet experience, but should never try to protect user's system outside the browser - We have antivirus softwares to do that.
But... but they said it's about safety
They might be trying to do so, but it's a completely pointless, meaningless move.
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lem729 last edited by
Maybe. For myself, I have to defer to the experts on this. If Opera believe and asserts there's a safety issue, I have no reason to doubt it. I'm not a software technician. And the workarounds for using alternative search engines are adequate for me.
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Deleted User last edited by
What a tempest in a teapot. It's simply another tactic to accuse Opera of not catering to the whining squad. We've provided workarounds. If they don't float your boat, too bad.
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lem729 last edited by
Now come on Joshi. Actually The version 25 Opera browses the Internet faster than version 12, and and is better able to read/access sites. So maybe version 12 of Opera is the one that needs an extension.
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namal23 last edited by
What a tempest in a teapot. It's simply another tactic to accuse Opera of not catering to the whining squad. We've provided workarounds. If they don't float your boat, too bad.
Who are "we"? Are you officially speaking for opera here? If trolls like you are working for opera then I can stop wondering why opera is going downhill.
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xantares last edited byJust to help regarding the topic: You can well make Opera 15+ use your very own search engines.
To do so, just edit the SQLite database called "Web Data" in your profile (– after making sure Opera is not running, after backing it up, blabla…). Therein you find a table called ´keywords´ – that's the table you want to work with. The columns in that table are pretty self-explaining.
If you are looking for a suitable SQLite db editor – free, for Windows – you may find hints here: https://vivaldi.net/blogs/entry/a-fine-sqlite-editor-for-opera-15-opium
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Deleted User last edited by
Who are "we"? Are you officially speaking for opera here? If trolls like you are working for opera then I can stop wondering why opera is going downhill.
Opera is "not going downhill" so stop trolling and stick with the topic at hand: search engines. Opera has provided a perfectly workable solution. Use it.
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namal23 last edited by
Who are "we"? Are you officially speaking for opera here? If trolls like you are working for opera then I can stop wondering why opera is going downhill.Opera is "not going downhill" so stop trolling and stick with the topic at hand: search engines. Opera has provided a perfectly workable solution. Use it.
Yes, the perfectly workable solution for now is: another browser. I am using it.
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Deleted User last edited by
Yes, the perfectly workable solution for now is: another browser. I am using it.
Fine. Then why are you hanging about here... just trolling? This is the problem with so many of the so-called Opera fans. They're essentially cry babies. They like to think of themselves as power users but in reality... they're a collection of whiners and cry babies always threatening to abandon Opera "IF" it does not do exactly what they tell it to do. :lol: Well, here's a news-flash for you. Opera is growing. It's numbers are up and its financial situation is better than ever. New users are filling the ranks as some of the old Presto whiners are threatening to abandon it (ha! they've been threatening to do so now for nearly a year and a half but still.. many of them are here whining day after day). Opera has nothing to worry about in terms of a handful like you who claim to have found another browser but are still hanging about. :whistle:
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A Former User last edited by
Yes, they're fans of Opera.
Yes, they ARE fans of Opera.
And they are fans of Opera.The question stays - why was another browser given the name "Opera"?
You're somehow right, Leu, in that if you do not use Opera, then...
Still we all at least HAVE BEEN Opera users. In THIS life. This is an official Opera site, right?
So, on the other hand, Leushino, people are entitled to come and speak. Yes, about their disappointment. Yes, about their beloved browser Opera going of no more use to them (the true Opera's ceased to get maintained, right?)...
They HAVE used Opera -- they know what they're talking about. So... :rolleyes: -
Deleted User last edited by
What on earth is the true Opera? Opera is Opera is Opera. Currently the latest stable version of Opera is 25.0.1614.63. It is about as real as they come in spite of a few who lament the discontinuing of version 12. In that people are free to express themselves, I would agree... provided they are civil about it. Ridiculing and threatening are not productive. At some point users of the Presto browser have to face reality. The reality of the situation is that Presto is dead. Trying to keep it alive makes about as much sense as running with Windows XP an unsupported OS that will ultimately invite hacking and malware. One recognizes that the OS is no longer supported and moves on... Windows 7 or whatever one wishes provided it is supported. The same holds true for Opera. I once used Netscape but when it was finally discontinued I dropped it since there was no wisdom in continuing to use a dead browser. THAT is reality.
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A Former User last edited by
What on earth is the true Opera? Opera is Opera is Opera.
Naaaaah.
The true Opera came first - so by ANY counts it's been rightfully holding its name.
Then it was ceased - actually - and replaced by ANOTHER browser.
The only three things that connect them (ok, four):- the name,
- the letter "O" wherever it is,
- adopting bookmarks IF the existing browser's set as "default",
well, and the corporation - however having shuffled its staff, judicially the same.
:rolleyes:Those were THE ONLY few things in common.
EVERYTHING else is TOTALLY different (ah, well, the window's shape is rectangular, right). -
namal23 last edited by
I may add, the only superior feature what is left are the mouse gestures. Or is there something comparable for chromium/iron?
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donq last edited by
I once used Netscape too. I dropped it because IE took over - it was faster, nicer and more compatible.
Then I used IE for many versions, but (almost) dropped it for Opera - Opera was faster, nicer and almost compatible. And customizable
For few incompatible sites I kept using IE.Now what? I do not like Firefox. I hate google. I have played with couple of browsers lately - no one is faster than old Opera, no one is handy. Maybe I should switch to IE again? Not that customizable, but somehow not that bad either. I know I know, this all is very subjective. Well, for me this subjectivity matters very much
I'm trying to get used to new Opera. I can't say anything bad about compatibility (except IDcard support - for this I need IE or Chromium), I like extensions world - but it doesn't feel that snappy and handy as older Operas. Sure I miss some options, currently not solvable even using extensions. And it looks foreign on my old'n'good unsupported XP
What I really wanted to say...
leushino, stop your senseless praising of new Opera and calling old Opera users names. With such postings you make more bad than good for Opera community.
