Where do Opera 12.16 users go now Opera is dead?
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laurentparis last edited by
Firefox seems to be the closest match in terms of options (I had never tried it before but the unnervingly slow and buggy implementation of the most basic features in the new Opera drove me to it). It takes quite a few add-ons to bend Firefox to your will but once you've started it becomes hard to stop and refrain from adding new things.
The downside is that the Firefox team also seems determined to ruin their browser (not to the same extent as Opera, though) by trying to imitate Chrome and its lack of native options (especially with the upcoming of the 'Australis' design). The problem with relying too much on 3rd party extensions for customization is that each new version of Firefox seems to break some add ons and their developers don't always bother to update them.
Originally posted by serious:
same goes for trolls ... just saying...
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Originally posted by ersi:
How could this be? The statistics is OFFICIAL. They did RESEARCH!
yeah, that they could come to this conclusion is baffling and should make them seriously rethink how they collect and analyze user data. Everyone I know in real life (not just "power users") uses bookmarks. The only explanation I see is that the users who allowed data gathering weren't actually using Opera (or that particular build of Opera) for their daily browsing and only kept it for testing or as a back-up browser.
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Deleted User last edited by
Bookmarks are now available with the QAB in v.17. Features are being added back. Patience, Cricket.... patience. :whistle:
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j4jasbir last edited by
Bookmarks are now available with the QAB in v.17. Features are being added back. Patience, Cricket.... patience. :whistle:
:lol: :lol:
Bookmarks is a great feature added in new opera 17 that is not present in any other browser.Please read again the title of this thread.If someone does not agree with the OP then one should ignore him.It in not compulsory for forum users to reply(in every thread) if there is nothing good to add.
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laurentparis last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
Bookmarks are now available with the QAB in v.17. Features are being added back. Patience, Cricket.... patience. :whistle:
"We've decided to postpone Quick Access Bar as it still needs some tweaking and bug fixing" (http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2013/09/06/opera-17-next)
QAB is not a proper bookmark manager and it won't be available in v.17 stable. And bookmarks are but a small part of the missing features.
Yes, some features are being added back, but at a very slow pace. I'm sure the devs are doing their best but at this rate it might take a year or more for the new Opera to even approach the functionality of the old one. I don't think many users will wait that long with the now unsupported v.12. -
Deleted User last edited by
No one said the QAB was a "proper bookmarks' manager." What "I" said was that bookmarks are available with the QAB. The browser is still under development. If the QAB is not sufficient for you, then continue to use v.12. And that's probably a good reason to stick with v.12 since there are many missing features which you appear to need. The pace is not slow. It's a Herculean job to rewrite a browser from the ground up. I'm sure many power users will leave for other browsers but new users who don't care that much about the myriad of features in a browser will be added to the new Opera. Opera is finally on the right track.
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laurentparis last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
No one said the QAB was a "proper bookmarks' manager." What "I" said was that bookmarks are available with the QAB. The browser is still under development. If the QAB is not sufficient for you, then continue to use v.12. And that's probably a good reason to stick with v.12 since there are many missing features which you appear to need. The pace is not slow. It's a Herculean job to rewrite a browser from the ground up. I'm sure many power users will leave for other browsers but new users who don't care that much about the myriad of features in a browser will be added to the new Opera. Opera is finally on the right track.
As I said, I'm sure the Opera team is doing its best but from the user's point of view, half a year (when v.18 final is released) to implement such minimalistic bookmark management (as compared to every other browser) IS slow. And it doesn't bode well for all the other missing features.
As for new users, I hope you're right for Opera's sake but honestly I doubt it will attract that many. IE and Safari have the advantage of being installed by default, Chrome has Google's solid fanbase and aggressive marketing... I'm not sure why the non "power users" would want to migrate to Opera assuming they even hear about it. Features and customization were its main advantage and they killed it. And of course other browsers continue to evolve on their own while Opera is painfully trying to catch up. This really doesn't strike me as a winning strategy.
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stng last edited by
artmil
(Firefox) Actually it is a lot a lot more customizable then opera ever was/will be.
No, it's not.
It's UI is clumsy, not very flexible . At least, not in a same degree as the Opera(Presto)'s advanced interface.
Some Opera features can't be replicated with extensions. Just for an example: MSR/SSR rendering modes, native mouse gestures and keyboard shortcuts (context-dependent, highly customizable and reliable/everywhere working).
Not to mention that the browser with a bunch of extensions will never have a proper integration of its features when it's compared with a mature all-in-one feature rich browser.Unfortunately it's not as easy as in opera if you don't want to use extensions.
You simply have no choice but install a hell of lot of addons on Firefox to imitate Opera. I accentuate this - it's possible just to imitate Opera/Presto browser, but not fully replicate it.
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funksoulbro last edited by
I find it hilarious that the 2-man Opera Defence Force (you guys know who you are) say that there are only a handful of disgruntled users. This forum has been dominated by threads and posted from disgruntled users since Opera released the new version of the browser, lol.
Opera market share in November 2012 = 1.67%
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lodestone last edited by
Originally posted by toumoomuot:
I'm still using 12.6 while stuck in Windowsland, but plan to get a Mac soon and just use Safari. What really kills Opera 15 for me (in Windowsland) is that the keyboard cannot be customised. I can't stand windows standard keybindings; I need unix text editing bindings, etc. With Opera and cygwin I could live in Windowsland, doing most things in them, after having decided that Linux is dead. Not anymore, thanks to Opera being dead as well. I have to go for a Mac... only problem is the god-awful Touchpad on Apple laptops. I want my Trackpoint!
It is said that Mac users are quite fanatic about their brand, but there are exceptions. Before buying my current laptop (HP G62) I asked on a Mac forum if their Macs lasted longer than other -much less expensive- brands. To my surprise I was told by 2 long time Mac users that the "hardware ingredients" -my term- were pretty much the same as other brands installed in their computers. It was more for the looks and feel of their Mac's that they had bought them they confessed. And the "prestige."
They advised me to save myself money if I didn't care for those things. They also said it was an inconvenience to have to send their notebooks to the Mac service for the replacement of the battery. Although one can do it oneself, but it's a bit tricky.I haven't tried it myself yet, but there is an alternative that on purpose was made for those of us who would like to step over to another OS but that looks like Windows 7: Zorin. It's free for the basic version, and they claim it's much faster than Windows 7. One can have it installed next to one's current OS if one chooses. That way one can switch between the two.
Their site: http://zorin-os.com/index.html
Clips: http://tinyurl.com/85o3u9j
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by LodeStone:
I haven't tried it myself yet, but there is an alternative that on purpose was made for those of us who would like to step over to another OS but that looks like Windows 7: Zorin.
I tried it and I disagree with this. Zorin is KDE, but what resembles Windows best is Xfce with XP theme or similar. Current Xfce desktop environment on any distro (the more themes included the better) makes transition from Windows a snap, whereas KDE remains awkward for them. Tried this on real people.
Originally posted by toumoomuot:
...after having decided that Linux is dead.
What made you decide that Linux is dead? I decided this year that Windows is dead...
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by scratchspace:
Easily achieved on Win 7 with a registry edit.
"Registry edit" and "easy(ly)" should seldom or never be used in the same sentence. But if you're talking about 1)"]this, I already mentioned that the Windows 3 style application switcher is only marginally better. If you're truly talking about something similar to Opera's Ctrl+Tab, I can only shake my head in disbelief that they didn't make it the default.
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cooljoebay last edited by
The fat lady sang. Now the OPERA IS OVER. All you boot lickers and optimists can take your foolish asses back to the closet. A new browser will eventually come around that intends to give everything that all the "players" won't. It won't be Opera.
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A Former User last edited by
I dunno' but I should have stayed with 12.14 64 bit in my Windows 8. For some reason I abandoned "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and updated to 12.16. What a mistake!! Just spent 2 hours screwing around with restore points, downgrading to 12.14, then I finally got it to go by deleting all date with CCleaner and installing 12.14. It was the old hotmail no login that kept popping up.
Aside from my bitching above I'll hate to see it go(even though I don't appreciate the update changing settings back the way it wants and sticking all those bookmarks back on that I deleted.) On my Toshiba Windows 8 Laptop Firefox 32 bit and Waterfox both load and lock for about 30 seconds before I can type any input. Opera loaded multiple sites with the forums and hotmail logged in.
Except I think now I'll be stuck with some weird glitch in hotmail. It loads slowly now when it was snappy before.
I don't get why nothing runs smooth anymore. Must be doing too much with weird scripting code inside the other browsers.Just when I got a snappy 64 bit browser you guys quit!!! Dang!!!
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by cooljoebay:
The fat lady sang. Now the OPERA IS OVER. All you boot lickers and optimists can take your foolish asses back to the closet. A new browser will eventually come around that intends to give everything that all the "players" won't. It won't be Opera.
Whatever. The inability to speak in sentences without profanity is sort of a give-away. :troll:
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by scratchspace:
But I don't understand this part of what you said: "How am I supposed to tell the difference between the five text documents I've got open? Wait, I know, there's the document title." The document titles are there (even in the thumbnail-based mode). What am I missing here?
Look at the bookcase on your side. (Well, I've got a bookcase on my side. Look at a bookcase.) Imagine if you had to tap each and every book to see what its title was! Instead of glancing over at it, spending a few milliseconds selecting the book, and consequently pulling it out directly, I'd be spending many seconds trying to figure out which book was which. Oh, but each book has a helpful icon. This one deals with language, and this other deals with history. No wait, that really doesn't help me much at all, for I've got many dozens of books in each category.
Originally posted by scratchspace:
Also, the practical advantage to an Opera-style list would seem to be limited to the ability to see whether you need to move forward or backward, and that ability may not actually save time. And even when it does, it typically wouldn't save more than a couple of seconds (though if you're doing this frequently I can appreciate that small benefit).
I've never claimed the Opera Ctrl-Tab switcher is feature complete. What I claim is that it's the only usable foundation to build a proper switcher. If I prefer the taskbar/tabbar over a task switcher, that switcher is broken.
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muggenschiss last edited by
I read many threads here and in other forums. Everywhere the majority ist complaining about missing features. What I can't understand are the people not only defending the new browser but even attacking old users for their complaints.
I discovererd in 97 Opera shortly after I started using the internet professionally. And I use it since then. Lived and used it through good and bad versions. But now it is time to say good bye. My bookmarks, all my saved sessions useless. No more easy opening of closed tabs, no more easy tabbing. Mouse gestures,...
Why shall I use a bad copy of already existing browsers?Right now I'm switching through Firefox, Safari and now and then Opera Next hoping that some things missing will be back soon. But till now, it is just one big disappointment.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by muggenschiss:
I read many threads here and in other forums. Everywhere the majority ist complaining about missing features. What I can't understand are the people not only defending the new browser but even attacking old users for their complaints.
That's not entirely true. What IS happening in the forums IF you read them carefully, is that many of the "old" users are simply complaining that such and such a feature is missing when in fact there are often workarounds. And when informed of those workarounds they either disappear or they continue to argue about something else. In other words, they're not looking for answers or solutions but rather to simply complain. AND as we have a perfect example in this thread, frequently their complaint amounts to little more than the use of profanity. If you expect to be taken seriously, then you need to behave civilly. If there are missing features, ask politely about them and whether or not there are other ways to achieve what you were once able to do. And if there are no ways, then you should post in the proper forum (Opera Wish List) your request that those features be returned. Back in July there were many complaints about the new browser but over the past few months many of those complaints have been put to rest (not all.. but in time it is hoped that they will be).
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frenzie last edited by
I think two windows is already enough to make it an issue. For instance, I have the main Skype window and a Skype conversation window open. Which one's about 6 from the front and which one's about 6 from the back? I don't remember which is the last one I happened to have open a few hours ago.
But I would think it's fairly common to be writing one or more things with your reference materials open? Virtual desktops help a little, but they only go so far.
