Where do Opera 12.16 users go now Opera is dead?
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elrice last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by serious:
Win7 was awesome compared to XP and esp. Vista
I don't know; it still comes with Vista's biggest (or at least most immediately obvious) annoyances: the start menu and Aero. Then again, the default XP theme was far more hideous than Aero, but Vista basically broke the classic theme. On XP I actually used Codename Opus. Did I mention I despise thumbnail-based window switching? (Not that XP's icon-based switching is any better.) How am I supposed to tell the difference between the five text documents I've got open? Wait, I know, there's the document title. A text-based list (such as Opera's Ctrl+Tab) is by far the most efficient means of switching between applications. I won't let you get away with singing Windows 7's praise, because besides putting more back buttons in, all the interface changes in Vista suck.
I tend to prefer winkey+tab when multiple documents open... still a visual task switcher but at least sized to be usable.
Out of curiosty, I can understand those with lower sys resources shying away from Aero, but what's the issue with the Start Menu? The in-built searchbar is a god-send.
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by serious:
the rss-button
Firefox of all browsers decided no longer to display it by default anymore either, following Chrome's complete and utter idiocy.
Not one of their wisest moves I must say
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d4rkn1ght last edited by
Originally posted by misteromar:
I was wondering where the majority of Opera's user base will be migrating too? What are the commonly accepted best replacements?
SeaMonkey is the only browser I found that has integrated mail, IRC, etc... I have been collecting some extensions to try to make it be even closer to Opera. Still, SeaMonkey will never be Presto Opera but it is the only remaining browser suite since Opera change direction and striped all their classic features. :awww:
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artmil last edited by
Originally posted by LeoCG:
Opera Blink is not and never was a Chrome clone. Not even the UI is the same.
Yea, sure cloning the source code repository and applying some patches/modifications to it doesn't make it a clone... I laugh everytime when i read that the new "opera" was created from scratch...
Originally posted by LeoCG:
And...? They are based on the same engine and that is just it, they are not clones.
No, both new opera and chrome are based on the same browser(chromium) with applied patches, that's a lot more then just an engine.
And just because of that, it never will have all the features of o12 - it would require to much effort to keep up with chromium. In the worst case scenario it would require to fork the code which would make the whole "moving to chromium" pointless...Originally posted by Al-Khwarizmi:
It doesn't have the customizability of Opera
(Firefox) Actually it is a lot a lot more customizable then opera ever was/will be. Unfortunately it's not as easy as in opera if you don't want to use extensions.
Originally posted by d4rkn1ght:
SeaMonkey is the only browser I found that has integrated mail, IRC, etc...
And its ugly as hell... i don't want to compromise the user experience for features. I'm a greedy bastard and want them both...
If not opera then the only real alternative is firefox... Most of what i want/need can be achieved without extensions the biggest problems are the sidepanel, mail/rss and the new ui that is planed which brings new restrictions... if it was not for that i would use it already and wouldn't be wasting my time here.
There are other small projects like midori or qupzilla but... -
salahuddin1 last edited by
Originally posted by d4rkn1ght:
Originally posted by misteromar:
I was wondering where the majority of Opera's user base will be migrating too? What are the commonly accepted best replacements?
SeaMonkey is the only browser I found that has integrated mail, IRC, etc... I have been collecting some extensions to try to make it be even closer to Opera. Still, SeaMonkey will never be Presto Opera but it is the only remaining browser suite since Opera change direction and striped all their classic features. :awww:
Hey darknight. I was looking at SeaMonkey as well. What is your experience with this browser? Is it easy to import all my Opera contacts, messages, bookmarks etc into it? Do you know how it stands in terms of performance to the mainstream browsers? I don't think I can weather this storm of the new Opera without a clear roadmap on when/what features are going to be reimplemented. In any case, I sent you an email to your Opera account if you wouldn't mind replying.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Salahuddin1:
I was looking at SeaMonkey as well. What is your experience with this browser?
I have experience with the Mozilla suite before it hit 1.0. Seamonkey is its straightforward continuation. If you have had experience with both Firefox and Thunderbird, you have also a good idea about Seamonkey.
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salahuddin1 last edited by
I have experience with the Mozilla suite before it hit 1.0. Seamonkey is its straightforward continuation. If you have had experience with both Firefox and Thunderbird, you have also a good idea about Seamonkey.
Do you know how easy/hard it will be to import my data from Opera? In particular, I keep a lot of messages in "directories" in Opera Mail.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by elrice:
I tend to prefer winkey+tab when multiple documents open... still a visual task switcher but at least sized to be usable.
Eh, it's better in some ways but still horribly slow and inefficient to me. On XP I like SmartTab.org, while on Linux I prefer smartswitcher and Fuzzy Window Switcher. These aren't equivalents or anything, but one thing they all share is that they're trying to improve on the same kind of window switching I've been using since Windows 3. NB That's not exaggeration; I mean Windows 3.x in the most literal way possible.
I'm not sure if there's a window switcher on 7 that I'd like because I upgraded from XP to Debian. Windows Vista/7 broke all that was keeping me on Windows in the first place.
Originally posted by elrice:
Out of curiosty, I can understand those with lower sys resources shying away from Aero, but what's the issue with the Start Menu? The in-built searchbar is a god-send.
It's inferior to pre-Vista alternatives like Launchy, which have been available for years. This inferiority can be found all over the board, in such diverse areas as speed, accuracy, and features. The size is ludicrously small, although you can somewhat fight against the default so you can actually use folders somewhat more the way they were meant to be used. Nevertheless, it completely kills any capability to order your own menu according to your own precise wishes.
The only problem with the start menu is that all programs insist on filling it with junk, but in principle it can be great. See e.g. the GNOME 2.x menu or how it still is in Xfce for a rough indication of how I always used my start menu in Windows. In fact there are an awful lot of things Linux distros tend to do by default that I always forced upon Windows before I even had a clue what Linux was, but that's another topic.
PS I'm aware that Classic Shell can fix up the start menu however I like in Windows 7 or 8.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Salahuddin1:
I have experience with the Mozilla suite before it hit 1.0. Seamonkey is its straightforward continuation. If you have had experience with both Firefox and Thunderbird, you have also a good idea about Seamonkey.
Do you know how easy/hard it will be to import my data from Opera? In particular, I keep a lot of messages in "directories" in Opera Mail.
Export mail folders (or by contact or by any filter you like) from Opera. Move the exported file to the right place in Thunderbird/Seamonkey profile while the apps are closed. Then open. Done.
In older times, when Opera still had big files for email, it was not even necessary to export, just copy the files. They share the format rather closely.
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laurentparis last edited by
Firefox seems to be the closest match in terms of options (I had never tried it before but the unnervingly slow and buggy implementation of the most basic features in the new Opera drove me to it). It takes quite a few add-ons to bend Firefox to your will but once you've started it becomes hard to stop and refrain from adding new things.
The downside is that the Firefox team also seems determined to ruin their browser (not to the same extent as Opera, though) by trying to imitate Chrome and its lack of native options (especially with the upcoming of the 'Australis' design). The problem with relying too much on 3rd party extensions for customization is that each new version of Firefox seems to break some add ons and their developers don't always bother to update them.
Originally posted by serious:
same goes for trolls ... just saying...
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Originally posted by ersi:
How could this be? The statistics is OFFICIAL. They did RESEARCH!
yeah, that they could come to this conclusion is baffling and should make them seriously rethink how they collect and analyze user data. Everyone I know in real life (not just "power users") uses bookmarks. The only explanation I see is that the users who allowed data gathering weren't actually using Opera (or that particular build of Opera) for their daily browsing and only kept it for testing or as a back-up browser.
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Deleted User last edited by
Bookmarks are now available with the QAB in v.17. Features are being added back. Patience, Cricket.... patience. :whistle:
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j4jasbir last edited by
Bookmarks are now available with the QAB in v.17. Features are being added back. Patience, Cricket.... patience. :whistle:
:lol: :lol:
Bookmarks is a great feature added in new opera 17 that is not present in any other browser.Please read again the title of this thread.If someone does not agree with the OP then one should ignore him.It in not compulsory for forum users to reply(in every thread) if there is nothing good to add.
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laurentparis last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
Bookmarks are now available with the QAB in v.17. Features are being added back. Patience, Cricket.... patience. :whistle:
"We've decided to postpone Quick Access Bar as it still needs some tweaking and bug fixing" (http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2013/09/06/opera-17-next)
QAB is not a proper bookmark manager and it won't be available in v.17 stable. And bookmarks are but a small part of the missing features.
Yes, some features are being added back, but at a very slow pace. I'm sure the devs are doing their best but at this rate it might take a year or more for the new Opera to even approach the functionality of the old one. I don't think many users will wait that long with the now unsupported v.12. -
Deleted User last edited by
No one said the QAB was a "proper bookmarks' manager." What "I" said was that bookmarks are available with the QAB. The browser is still under development. If the QAB is not sufficient for you, then continue to use v.12. And that's probably a good reason to stick with v.12 since there are many missing features which you appear to need. The pace is not slow. It's a Herculean job to rewrite a browser from the ground up. I'm sure many power users will leave for other browsers but new users who don't care that much about the myriad of features in a browser will be added to the new Opera. Opera is finally on the right track.
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laurentparis last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
No one said the QAB was a "proper bookmarks' manager." What "I" said was that bookmarks are available with the QAB. The browser is still under development. If the QAB is not sufficient for you, then continue to use v.12. And that's probably a good reason to stick with v.12 since there are many missing features which you appear to need. The pace is not slow. It's a Herculean job to rewrite a browser from the ground up. I'm sure many power users will leave for other browsers but new users who don't care that much about the myriad of features in a browser will be added to the new Opera. Opera is finally on the right track.
As I said, I'm sure the Opera team is doing its best but from the user's point of view, half a year (when v.18 final is released) to implement such minimalistic bookmark management (as compared to every other browser) IS slow. And it doesn't bode well for all the other missing features.
As for new users, I hope you're right for Opera's sake but honestly I doubt it will attract that many. IE and Safari have the advantage of being installed by default, Chrome has Google's solid fanbase and aggressive marketing... I'm not sure why the non "power users" would want to migrate to Opera assuming they even hear about it. Features and customization were its main advantage and they killed it. And of course other browsers continue to evolve on their own while Opera is painfully trying to catch up. This really doesn't strike me as a winning strategy.
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stng last edited by
artmil
(Firefox) Actually it is a lot a lot more customizable then opera ever was/will be.
No, it's not.
It's UI is clumsy, not very flexible . At least, not in a same degree as the Opera(Presto)'s advanced interface.
Some Opera features can't be replicated with extensions. Just for an example: MSR/SSR rendering modes, native mouse gestures and keyboard shortcuts (context-dependent, highly customizable and reliable/everywhere working).
Not to mention that the browser with a bunch of extensions will never have a proper integration of its features when it's compared with a mature all-in-one feature rich browser.Unfortunately it's not as easy as in opera if you don't want to use extensions.
You simply have no choice but install a hell of lot of addons on Firefox to imitate Opera. I accentuate this - it's possible just to imitate Opera/Presto browser, but not fully replicate it.
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funksoulbro last edited by
I find it hilarious that the 2-man Opera Defence Force (you guys know who you are) say that there are only a handful of disgruntled users. This forum has been dominated by threads and posted from disgruntled users since Opera released the new version of the browser, lol.
Opera market share in November 2012 = 1.67%
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lodestone last edited by
Originally posted by toumoomuot:
I'm still using 12.6 while stuck in Windowsland, but plan to get a Mac soon and just use Safari. What really kills Opera 15 for me (in Windowsland) is that the keyboard cannot be customised. I can't stand windows standard keybindings; I need unix text editing bindings, etc. With Opera and cygwin I could live in Windowsland, doing most things in them, after having decided that Linux is dead. Not anymore, thanks to Opera being dead as well. I have to go for a Mac... only problem is the god-awful Touchpad on Apple laptops. I want my Trackpoint!
It is said that Mac users are quite fanatic about their brand, but there are exceptions. Before buying my current laptop (HP G62) I asked on a Mac forum if their Macs lasted longer than other -much less expensive- brands. To my surprise I was told by 2 long time Mac users that the "hardware ingredients" -my term- were pretty much the same as other brands installed in their computers. It was more for the looks and feel of their Mac's that they had bought them they confessed. And the "prestige."
They advised me to save myself money if I didn't care for those things. They also said it was an inconvenience to have to send their notebooks to the Mac service for the replacement of the battery. Although one can do it oneself, but it's a bit tricky.I haven't tried it myself yet, but there is an alternative that on purpose was made for those of us who would like to step over to another OS but that looks like Windows 7: Zorin. It's free for the basic version, and they claim it's much faster than Windows 7. One can have it installed next to one's current OS if one chooses. That way one can switch between the two.
Their site: http://zorin-os.com/index.html
Clips: http://tinyurl.com/85o3u9j
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by LodeStone:
I haven't tried it myself yet, but there is an alternative that on purpose was made for those of us who would like to step over to another OS but that looks like Windows 7: Zorin.
I tried it and I disagree with this. Zorin is KDE, but what resembles Windows best is Xfce with XP theme or similar. Current Xfce desktop environment on any distro (the more themes included the better) makes transition from Windows a snap, whereas KDE remains awkward for them. Tried this on real people.
Originally posted by toumoomuot:
...after having decided that Linux is dead.
What made you decide that Linux is dead? I decided this year that Windows is dead...
