Opera 12 vs 23
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lem729 last edited by
The new Opera has a much better Speed Dial than the old Opera, because in the new Opera one can create folders of items for each speed dial position. For me, that's an highly important "improvement" feature. I'm giving my opinion on small percentage. You say that you can confirm I'm an Opera employee if . . . ? I gave my opinion that only a small percentage of users want all of the features that were in Opera Presto. I could be wrong, though I think not. But that's my humble opinion, no more, and no less. So what is it with you. If a person likes the new Opera, they have to be an Opera employee
Now maybe dobledosis, you're an IE employee, or from Firefox, or Chrome, and you're trying to demoralize Opera users. That's the way one company might easily try to sabotage another browser, particularly if they are worried that that browser might be up and coming and eat into their browser share.Golly gee, you can't invest the time, you say, in looking for extensions? Sorry then, there's not a lot for you in the browsing universe. You can't get everything on a silver platter. It just takes a little bit of initiative. Like you have to do something!
So what browser are you going to recommend to your friends then -- Firefox? Chrome? They're the same on this one point: they also use extensions. And IE is moving in that direction too. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa753587(v=vs.85).aspx Basically, the people who are having the hardest time adjusting to the Opera change are people who want the browser handed to them on a silver platter and don't want to do anything. I think it's a small minority. At least, I hope so, because the world is better if people show some tiny bit of initiative. Otherwise, LMFAO, they will do nothing but whine and whine and whine . . .
You say: "this is a complaint about something we loved and was taken away from us. The spirit of Opera, the features that made it more inclusive, practical, complete, different." Well, I'm happy because something I love -- the new Opera -- was given by Opera, with features that make it better. It's for me, practical, inclusive, complete and different. Now why inclusive and complete? It's made to work with extensions. All you have to do is go to a website and click download, and then install, when you see what you want. Once you see how easy it is to do that, there's more there than ever.
In any event, if you're using Opera Presto, I think you will be happier staying with it.
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ceboss last edited by
Ehhh lem729... In my humble opinion only small percentage of users of new Chrome... sorry Opera - aren't missing previous featuring. I am this kind of user that likes to download software and have it fully functional. If I had to find every time extensions I would go crazy. Typical browser user is lazy. He is not sitting on Opera forum and whining about "how the browser is bad/cool". We are users (I typed in Google "how to install Opera 12.17" and I found this forum. Otherwise I would never come here).
So why everyone is saying that Opera is looking like a Chrome? Maybe because layout is very similar? For example in old Opera version history or bookmarks were in side bar and you could find grouped by pages/folders. Now new tab is opened (like in Google's browser). Also I liked to follow my downloads in side bar (I saw progress and same time I could still surf).
Also great staff was proxy settings which were independent from Windows one (in my work I am forced to use IE (maybe) due to bad coding of software in my company, but at home I can freely use same laptop to surf and I don't have to jump again to change proxy because I have to just launch Opera)I loved also function to plug my favourite sites as icon next to address bar - now I have it with name what consume more space (and it looks like in other browsers).
Speed dial was working previously very good (I could scale it, decide how many "windows" I want to have per row - and I didn't have to scroll it if I had more. So I don't understand this excitement about new one. Yes I can make folder (what it might be not so comfortable as it is additional "click" so it "less faster"), althaugh this option is not available any more for bookmarks (already mentioned).
Of course I can tell you how big disappointment for me is lack of synchronization. It is something what I really loved (and it is in google chrome) and made my Opera personalized, but also allowed me to have same passwords and bookmarks on all my computers.
As I mentioned passwords I cannot rid of inhabit of pressing "Ctrl+ENTER" when I want to log to the side. Now it is same as in Google Chrome (pressing by mouse on account and choose your profile). Tell me that it is not same?There was also argument that you can change wallpaper on your speed dial window. In previous opera you could do the same, changing theme.
You have told that you didn't like that previous Opera was like mammoth - it had plenty of function, what was not useful for you. Here for me this function is Discovery. For me completely useless gadget.
Just about the optimization. I cannot say that new Opera is faster. For sure in benchmarks it is fact, however nowadays we have fast computers and this 0,01 sec. to open side it is not visible (but it is my opinion)
Just to sumarize:
- I cannot agree that only few people are missing functions from Opera 12.17
- I cannot agree that way of making software light is good direction. After that I have to "waste" time to download extensions. Soon we can find that we will start to pay for them like for DLC to games
- I am kind of person who likes to have plenty staff by default on board, because I don't need to add it to software (can you imagine to have same in AutoCAD - in base software you can make line, but if you download extensions, you can start to draw square; you don't have to install it, because you can make it using lines, however it is lost functionality)
As I said: this is my opinion, but I believe more than few percentage of users can agree with me.
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Deleted User last edited by
You're right about one thing only: it's YOUR OPINION... period. I happen to disagree. Regards!
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Deleted User last edited by
It's no doubt that presto was too old. I stopped using ver. 12.17 when I got too many faults in page display etc. Companywise it may have been a wise decision to switch to a new kernel and discontinue presto. But the old users want their features back! And someone like lem729 who admits "I used some of the features in Presto. I didn't use a lot of them. Still, I generally enjoyed the browser. I liked the skins and colors..." is not the person to judge this. He does simply not know what others are talking about. What he says about the new Opera is right so far, but he does not know what powerusers are missing. E. g: " I think it's great how you can -- among other ways to add art to it -- simply right click on a jpg on the internet, and instantly have it saved as wallpaper for the Speed Dial." - now that's childish feature... it's like a wallpaper on the desktop. I see my desktop only for some seconds afer a reboot the same goes for wallpapers for the Speed Dial.
I tried Chrookmarks. It is nearly no improvement compared with the plain Opera25. But it always collapses my folders! That's timeconsuming.
We had "Turbo mode" before. And SpeedDial. Ok, stash is new... nice, but not a big thing.
But what has gone:
- Bookmarks with the functionality as they used to be,
- panels
- right-klick email from page
- right-klick image and mark it as advertisement and block it (so beautiful)
- auto fill in forms
- stack tabs easily
- accessable buttons to enable: javascript, sound in webpage, plugins, etc.
- email!
We had a all-in-one browser! No need to look for "extensions". What do you guess how much time did I waste browsing through extensions?! 1001 useless things! It's a drag looking for the useful one in all the rubbish. I did that with Firefox which I must use at work.
What comes next: You must update all these extensions seperately. Some years ago I would compare Opera against FF with my friends: They would say: "You can have that in FF if you install these 10-20 extensions!" I would say: "Thank you very much!" Today I must do the same...
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Deleted User last edited by
It's no doubt that presto was too old. I stopped using ver. 12.17 when I got too many faults in page display etc. Companywise it may have been a wise decision to switch to a new kernel and discontinue presto. But the old users want their features back! And someone like lem729 who admits "I used some of the features in Presto. I didn't use a lot of them. Still, I generally enjoyed the browser. I liked the skins and colors..." is not the person to judge this. He does simply not know what others are talking about. What he says about the new Opera is right so far, but he does not know what powerusers are missing. E. g: " I think it's great how you can -- among other ways to add art to it -- simply right click on a jpg on the internet, and instantly have it saved as wallpaper for the Speed Dial." - now that's childish feature... it's like a wallpaper on the desktop. I see my desktop only for some seconds afer a reboot the same goes for wallpapers for the Speed Dial.
I tried Chrookmarks. It is nearly no improvement compared with the plain Opera25. But it always collapses my folders! That's timeconsuming.
We had "Turbo mode" before. And SpeedDial. Ok, stash is new... nice, but not a big thing.
But what has gone:Bookmarks with the functionality as they used to be,
panels
right-klick email from page
right-klick image and mark it as advertisement and block it (so beautiful)
auto fill in forms
stack tabs easily
accessable buttons to enable: javascript, sound in webpage, plugins, etc.
email!We had a all-in-one browser! No need to look for "extensions". What do you guess how much time did I waste browsing through extensions?! 1001 useless things! It's a drag looking for the useful one in all the rubbish. I did that with Firefox which I must use at work.
What comes next: You must update all these extensions seperately. Some years ago I would compare Opera against FF with my friends: They would say: "You can have that in FF if you install these 10-20 extensions!" I would say: "Thank you very much!" Today I must do the same...Can you explain to me why Chrome is the most used browser if it did not have all features Presto had?
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Deleted User last edited by
No, I can't.
There are different things to consider:
- technical things: the browser must be up-to date and presto was not.
- I guess many IE users were happy for an alternative
- I suppose there were too few "powerusers" who liked the timesaving features in Presto very much. And Opera's Mangement didn't care. They went for the money.
- I encounter this behaviour everywhere: People go for looks and shinyness, funny gadgets and stuff like that. Just look at all the people who open two seperat Windows-explorer-windows to copy folders with their mouse. I guess only 1% uses a "Norton Commander"- like prog that sports two panes like xplorer² ( http://zabkat.com/x2lite.htm ). There is so much time to be saved in a day at office and few realize how it can be done.
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ceboss last edited by
Well, I guess the popularity is related also with marketing. Google attached a question "do you want to download Chrome" when you are entering their side. So it might helped a lot. My father is using Chrome only because he had this notification during daily surfing. Opera side is not linked to social network or searching and maybe due to this it is not the most popular browser.
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Deleted User last edited by
You can't explain why Chrome is the most used browser BUT you CAN tell us that lem doesn't know what he's talking about... is that the picture? LOL Uh... perhaps it is YOU who don't know what you're going on about. Has that simple fact ever occurred to you? You're not going to get skins and they are the least of anyone's concern anyway. Some of the key features will be returned but don't expect everything.You and ceboss seem to be doing little more than whining and casting aspersions on Opera as a company. You are aware, are you not, that Opera is a business trying to make money... right? And that they gave to all of us a FREE browser for many years (and continue to do so). If you don't like the new offering, use the OLD one OR go to a different browser but please stop your incessant whining. Extensions ARE the key to personalizing a browser and whether a few stuck in the 90's like it or not, extensions are here to stay. Your problem is going to be finding ANY browser that doesn't capitalize on extensions. Opera is fast becoming the best browser out of the gate, like it or not. I happen to love it.
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Deleted User last edited by
Firefox and Chrome have a huge store of extensions, Safari and Internet Explorer has a small one. Why be against it?
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Deleted User last edited by
Well I guess anybody who drove a Mercedes and changed to a Volkswagen without noticing it is still happy.
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Deleted User last edited by
Silly analogy. That Mercedes was increasingly difficult to keep on the road let alone develop for it. And very few people wanted one (if you must make such a comparison). Time for the company to go with what "most" drivers want rather than a few non-paying customers.
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colderwinters last edited by
If you like the Old Opera and absolutely hate the new Opera, try the New Chromium Blink based Slimjet Browser, the amount of options it has compared to chrome or the New Opera is impressive, you can even change the omnibar where you type in the URL's to any search engine you like without typing in any code letters or whatever, better toolbar options, A home button that you can set to any page you choose, full chrome theme extension support so you can actually change the colors of the toolbars with whatever themes the Chrome extension/theme site offers and tons more options besides that, this is information mainly for users of the obsolete old opera and not for people head over heels in love with the New Opera I waited patiently for Opera to offer more than the most basic of functionality, but someone else beat them to it.
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Deleted User last edited by
Look... why are you here? If YOU don't like the new Opera, then go enjoy your Slimjet and be happy. But stop trying to stir up trouble here. You can be thankful I'm not a moderator or I would ban you outright. The forum exists to help users with issues with the browser...not whiners and malcontents.
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colderwinters last edited by
Look... why are you here? If YOU don't like the new Opera, then go enjoy your Slimjet and be happy. But stop trying to stir up trouble here. You can be thankful I'm not a moderator or I would ban you outright. The forum exists to help users with issues with the browser...not whiners and malcontents.
Pleasant surprise meeting you here again Leushino, hope everything is going well
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Deleted User last edited by
Indeed... a couple of herniated discs but acupuncture and walking along the ocean has kept me out of surgery. Getting ready for Hawaii in two weeks (Lord, willing). You know... I'm not your enemy. I just don't "get" guys using the forum to express frustration with Opera. If you have a suggestion, there is a Suggestion folder. Better yet, you'll get more audience if you enter the developers' blogs and make your voice known (respectfully of course). But here? To me this is supposed to help folks understand the new browser and find extensions and ways to adapt until such time as more familiar surroundings re-appear. My best.
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Deleted User last edited by
Forgive me for not asking after you. I hope things are going well for you as well.
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colderwinters last edited by
It's cool Leushino, things are going ok here for me, I got 4 days off work which is nice since I work 12 hour shifts and at 61 years of age I think i'm in pretty good health, probably maybe
Hope those discs get better, take care man -
Deleted User last edited by
Thanks, I appreciate the good wishes. Glad to hear that things are going well for you. I guess I'm your senior by 7 years (just turned 68 a few weeks ago). Retired from 32 years teaching and then another 13 years working part-time in a bookstore which I LOVED, being a reader and loving to talk with people. I have time off now and since my wife is younger and still enjoys working, I find myself walking along the ocean quite a bit and dabbling in photography. I know I come across too strong in the forums and I'm trying to "cool my heels". I find myself feeling defensive for the company having used Opera since 1999. I'm looking forward to Opera 25 becoming stable and hopefully containging the complete bookmark manager many desire. Opera has always been an innovative company frequently coming up with features that others then adopt. I'm excited about what will eventually come about. My best.
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