Where is the menu bar?

[j7nj7n]

j7nj7n last edited by

You got a point there about the text on the "Main" bar being superfluous. I never understood why Explorer had such a toolbar design. The meaning of back and home buttons was clear enough, and I rarely used anything but Back, Forward, Refresh, and occasionally Encoding. Of course the banner is there because the browser was ad supported, and powerful enough to get rid of similar or even larger banners on pages themselves.

The web doesn't look as bad as the 404 page you showed. Here's a more conventional configuration of Opera 6 showing a working webpage (which has not been needlessly "upgraded" rendering it broken for old browsers).

The title bar shows the full page title which remains visible when the view has been scrolled down. The Bookmarks menu is in a distinct place from View and File, and accessible by remembering its position in the center of the screen.

The problem with all the menus being compressed under one single button is that this button becomes a "bottleneck". Opera appears to solve this problem the wrong way by removing seemingly "unneded" functions to lighten up the large menu.

[jtclipper]

jtclipper last edited by

Long time Firefox user here, turned away from the recent Nightly builds, trying to find a Browser that delivers for all flavors/shapes/colors minimalistic or flamboyant!
Only to find a similar trend here as well , it seems that the current road-plan with all 'modern' software design points to the same direction.
Opera is no exception and jumps in the bandwagon. I understand that desktops are not what they used to be or at least what companies think the game is at, tablets/smartphones and all other similar devices are the primary focus now and the traditional UI's crumble and fall in the name of content consumption and smaller screen sizes.

Anyway I read carefully all the posts here and (for me at least) what it all boils down to is people arguing about what they think is better, faster more efficient and so on and so forth. And you know what? all of you are right you want to use what suits you best and one must respect that. Using a toolbar won't create a hole in the ozone layer nor the planet will overheat if someone likes a zero tool-bar/menu configuration, It's personal and a software has to respect that and deliver the corresponding options. Removing any means or a great part of customization for the one thing that can be customized the most 'A software's UI' is not close to my heart.

Here is my flavor for not wasting space:
clumsy? cluttered? non-practical? it works for me and that is what really matters.

[frenzie]

frenzie last edited by

Originally posted by jtclipper:

Here is my flavor for not wasting space:
clumsy? cluttered? non-practical? it works for me and that is what really matters.

Personally I'd mix up the few bookmark folders in between the menu items, arranged alphabetically. That is, I'd want Alt+G to activate your "Games" bookmarks folder as if it were a completely integrated part of the menubar.

In Opera/Presto I've achieved this simply by editing the menu manually—not by doing anything conceptually with bookmarks. In fact I've also stuck "bookmarks" in between built-in functionality where appropriate. For instance, a bookmarklet that reports on quirks mode goes better in the developer menu than in some separate bookmarks folder.

To what extent that should be supported in a GUI I'm not sure, but Opera's menu.ini sure made it easy to implement regardless.

That's also the biggest weakness of extensions imo. They just sit there with their specialized buttons, or if they do alter the menus, it's not the way you want it but how the extension author envisioned it. There's just a lack of user control.

[tradeofjane]

tradeofjane last edited by

Originally posted by Pesala:

Ordinary users may not be concerned with counting pixels, but they do like to have as much space as possible for the web page. If you look back at the early versions of Opera, like 6.06, there is a large amount of space used by the GUI.

Instead of copying Chrome's interface, Opera should have kept or at least given users the option of making it look like it was in earlier versions of 9.XX:

[johnswolter]

johnswolter last edited by

The Opera marketing team announced on October 31, 2013 that the Opera hosted community is being shutdown by March 2014. It's time to pull up the tent's stakes and move to their choices. I like Google+ for all the features. Facebook is the 364 kg Gorilla in the room however. Some like the streaming feeds of twitter.

The best and very good decision by Opera to shutdown these forms shows they are sensitive to knowing customers well. Everyone is using social networks and menus. See them online at Google+(my favorite), Facebook, & Twitter.

I'm signing off this and going to Google+, Facebook, and Twitter.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User last edited by

Originally posted by johnswolter:

The Opera marketing team announced on October 31, 2013 that the Opera hosted community is being shutdown by March 2014. It's time to pull up the tent's stakes and move to their choices. I like Google+ for all the features. Facebook is the 364 kg Gorilla in the room however. Some like the streaming feeds of twitter.

The best and very good decision by Opera to shutdown these forms shows they are sensitive to knowing customers well. Everyone is using social networks and menus. See them online at Google+(my favorite), Facebook, & Twitter.

I'm signing off this and going to Google+, Facebook, and Twitter.

Personally, I despise facebook, twitter, google + etc when it comes to having a discussion. Forums have always been the best way to keep things organized when you have a huge group like this one.

When these forums are gone, I doubt I'll ever participate again just because, to ME, it's too hard to navigate EASILY how to follow things and post things the way it is so easy to do in a forum.

Maybe that's because I'm old (almost 50) but I find Twitter completely and totally useless. Facebook is great for keeping in touch with people who live far away from you, seeing your relatives' pictures, etc.

Google + I hate because it hates Opera.

I just don't find it easy to navigate or find answers to things if they're not in a place such as this where there are clearly defined areas of discussion, threads pertaining to those areas, questions, etc., etc., etc.

I guess I'm just getting old.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Originally posted by bjdobson:

When these forums are gone,

They are not shutting down the forums. If you read the announcement they are shutting down My Opera, but the forums will move to www.opera.com — hopefully these useless troll threads will all disappear during the process, but the useful content will be retained. There is a huge amount of information here about using Opera that should be preserved for another 5 or 10 years at least.

What about the forums?

Our forums will be moving to www.opera.com. The most important existing threads will be moved across, and you will be able to use your My Opera account to log in and continue the discussion. In other words: Your My Opera account has become your new Opera account that you can use for all Opera services and products.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User last edited by

Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by bjdobson:

When these forums are gone,

They are not shutting down the forums. If you read the announcement they are shutting down My Opera, but the forums will move to www.opera.com — hopefully these useless troll threads will all disappear during the process, but the useful content will be retained. There is a huge amount of information here about using Opera that should be preserved for another 5 or 10 years at least.

Thank you, Pesala. I misinterpreted what it said then. Phew!! Good to know.

[blackbird71]

blackbird71 last edited by

Originally posted by bjdobson:

... I guess I'm just getting old.

No, it's just that you have a reasonably long attention span, use logical reasoning, apply sound organizational skills, and try to focus on single paths of discussion. That is not how much of the world presently functions. The temper of the day for so many is dominated by short-term focus, multi-tasked triviality to the point of distraction, and enamorment with the glitz of fads and hype. Our social techno-constructs, of which the Internet and browsers are just two, serve only to reflect this. There are clear reasons for that, but that would carry us even more OT than my post here.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User last edited by

Originally posted by blackbird71:

Originally posted by bjdobson:

... I guess I'm just getting old.

No, it's just that you have a reasonably long attention span, use logical reasoning, apply sound organizational skills, and try to focus on single paths of discussion. That is not how much of the world presently functions. The temper of the day for so many is dominated by short-term focus, multi-tasked triviality to the point of distraction, and enamorment with the glitz of fads and hype. Our social techno-constructs, of which the Internet and browsers are just two, serve only to reflect this. There are clear reasons for that, but that would carry us even more OT than my post here.

Thank you! Mostly I get told I'm just old (by my 20 something kids, of course!)

I always tended to focus clearly, multi-task well and NOT get distracted by the crap of today's world. I don't know how any employers get anything done with the kids of today using their phones and internet all day long. I turn these things off or ignore them when I'm working -- always have, always will. That gets things done and leaves me more time to do as I wish without dragging my work over 10 hours because I'm constantly allowing myself to get interrupted!! LOL

[frenzie]

frenzie last edited by

Originally posted by bjdobson:

Thank you! Mostly I get told I'm just old (by my 20 something kids, of course!)

If it helps, I'm 20-something and I agree with you.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User last edited by

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by bjdobson:

Thank you! Mostly I get told I'm just old (by my 20 something kids, of course!)

If it helps, I'm 20-something and I agree with you.

Thanks!!!

[raven-kg]

raven-kg last edited by

There is no reason at all why Opera Next must bring back the menu bar. It is not an essential feature at all. Options are always nice, of course, but there are many other features that they need to bring back before this one.

Do you really consider you know better than me what I need?

[j7nj7n]

j7nj7n last edited by

Originally posted by Tradeofjane:

Opera should have kept or at least given users the option of making it look like it was in earlier versions of 9.XX

I use Opera 8 for mail, and up until a year ago for browsing. The MDI button is much less confusing there.

1) The new page icon is directly below it.
2) A window menu comes up when I click the MDI icon.

This indicates to me what this icon really is. If I click the icon in Opera 12, no menu comes up.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Originally posted by raven-kg:

Do you really consider you know better than me what I need?

Yes. What you want may be a picture of a naked mermaid, but what you need in a browser is the ability to navigate and select functions without too much difficulty. For that, you do not need a menu bar at the top. You way want one, but want and need are two different things. You could easily use shortcuts such as Alt P to access the settings, etc. After a month of not being able to use the top menu, if you had no other choice of browser, you would soon learn to do what you need to do without it.

[frenzie]

frenzie last edited by

Originally posted by j7nj7n:

I use Opera 8 for mail, and up until a year ago for browsing. The MDI button is much less confusing there.

Back when I complained about Opera 10.50 losing MDI quite as good as Opera 10.1x, Rijk said something to me long the lines of whether I'd like the return of MDI or something better. Well, I'm still waiting for something, anything at all.

[missingno]

missingno last edited by

Originally posted by Pesala:

what you need in a browser is the ability to navigate and select functions without too much difficulty

Which is given through a menu bar instead of a clumsy O button. Right?

Originally posted by Pesala:

After a month of not being able to use the top menu, if you had no other choice of browser, you would soon learn to do what you need to do without it.

You also can learn how to use fork, knive and spoon or any other thing with your feet instead of your hands.

[mlaps]

mlaps last edited by

Frenzie, I notice that in some of the screenshots you posted above, the Title Bar is in different colors, not just limited to the Blue? How did you manage that?

[frenzie]

frenzie last edited by

Originally posted by mlaps:

Frenzie, I notice that in some of the screenshots you posted above, the Title Bar is in different colors, not just limited to the Blue? How did you manage that?

Those are Windows 7 screenshots with Aero enabled. The specific looks depend on what was behind the window when I took the screenshot.

[mlaps]

mlaps last edited by

Thanks. I forgot that Aero has been turned off on my machine.