Originally posted by Pesala:

Firefox: Menu bar off by default, shown with Alt key

I have checked it by installing latest version of Firefox:

Main menu is on by default.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Opera Presto: Menu bar off by default, enable from Button menu, shown with Alt key

This is the first thing I do after I install opera presto. That's what I want to see in the new opera - let the user to decide whether he needs the main menu or not!

Originally posted by Pesala:

IE11: Menu bar off by default, show with Alt key

IE last I saw was IE6

Originally posted by Pesala:

Chrome: No menu bar; no Alt key shortcut either, click a button to show the menu
Opera Blink: No menu bar; show with the Alt key or click a button.

This is terrible!

Originally posted by Pesala:

Doesn't your PC have an Alt key or a mouse?

Yes, it have. But why should I make an extra step instead of the usual use of the menu?
You say "menu wasting space." I'll tell you so "pressing Alt key waste my time".
Problem "waste of space" have an option to solve the problem - 90-95% modern monitors is widescreen and some elements can be drawn sideways. A "waste time" problem as I see nobody wants to solve.

Pesala
You say "If you do not like the new opera - use the old"! In this I am in agreement with you, if not one unpleasant fact - Opera 12 is aging, and updates will no longer be. Time will pass and we will be faced with a choice - to choose something else or stay with half of Internet resources that will not work in it. What to do then?

It seems to me, a complete rejection of the main menu is a very big mistake. Just because the menu is part of the standard interface familiar to all PC users (it was already mentioned above). You say that we do not need a menu. And I think it's just because the developers are too lazy to attach the checkbox as it was in Opera 12. Aiming to enter the market of devices designed for finger-pointing, the developers at the same time put an end to PC users.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Yes. What you want may be a picture of a naked mermaid, but what you need in a browser is the ability to navigate and select functions without too much difficulty. For that, you do not need a menu bar at the top. You way want one, but want and need are two different things. You could easily use shortcuts such as Alt P to access the settings, etc. After a month of not being able to use the top menu, if you had no other choice of browser, you would soon learn to do what you need to do without it.

Seriously? I thought that I needed a good browser that meets all my criteria of convenience.

And why should I know about all the keyboard shortcuts, why? Why do you force me to use the awkward interface? I need comfort does, not what sort of chromium (if I liked the chrome - I would have used the chrome). I like the old opera for user-friendly interface and an abundance of features. Now it turns out that instead of a good browser, we have a useless piece of crap, correct that in accordance with the requests of users probably nobody is going.

There is no reason at all why Opera Next must bring back the menu bar. It is not an essential feature at all. Options are always nice, of course, but there are many other features that they need to bring back before this one.

Do you really consider you know better than me what I need?

Summing up for all the see below, it is a situation - users demand loyalty and consideration to their wishes , the Opera team are confident that they and only they know what is better for the users.
This approach probably would be relevant when developing an application from scratch, but not for applications having a large number of users, accustomed to a particular interface - interface for these users becomes as a family home.

Looks like: "- I need a picture of a naked mermaid. - No, you definitely need a cast-iron statue of Napoleon on horseback!"

Changes maded by Opera developers was like on the move to remove user's briefs.

P.S. Sorry for my English, is not my native language, regards to google translate)))