Workspaces as separate sessions
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jojo0587 last edited by
@edmarcio said in Workspaces as separate sessions:
Workspace like it is today is very much useless for use... it act only as a form of organization that doesn't help on day by day use.
Because that's her idea. It's supposed to help sort the tabs. For example, you open your mail. You have an e-mail from the VOD service with information about newly-added movies/series and you are interested in an item. You right-click on the link and choose to open the page in the "Multimedia" workspace. This is an example of card organization.
@edmarcio said in Workspaces as separate sessions:
Using different profiles is possible today having two browser windows opened at same time.
And that's the only sensible solution. This is how profiles should look like - people's profile is a separate window.
@edmarcio said in Workspaces as separate sessions:
What we are asking is to have isolation between Workspaces so you can use the same web apps with differents Ids in each Workspace like in Workspace A have the whatsapp from your personal number and in Workspace B have the whatsapp from your business number.
If you must have two same messengers with different profiles in one Opera window, wouldn't it be easier to suggest the possibility of adding two accounts and then 2 buttons from the same messenger would be visible on the sidebar?
Unpack some Opera portable (portable versions do not "clutter" system directories). You can set up each Opera portable in a different way.
A. You can have a sidebar in one and not in the other. If you entered what you are writing about, you would have to have a sidebar visible in every Opera profile.
B. You could have workspaces in one and not in the other.
C. Visible items on the sidebar in different profiles-workspace. Don't you think it would look weird if in each workspace on the sidebar you had only the workspace icons fixed and the rest of the buttons changed? Workspace "A" -
you see "My news" in the sidebar and a button for the extension "XXX" and "YYY" but you go to workspace "B" and suddenly the extension "XXX" and "YYY" disappears but "ZZZ" and "UUU" appear. Don't you think that would be a little confusing?Really, replacing workspaces with separate profiles is just a dumb idea.
Recently, a certain browser (whose name I don't write specifically :P) that already had tab grouping stole the topic of workspaces from Opera and they also introduced this function to their browser. But there workspace (although this function has a different name for them) is not synonymous with separate tabs/cookies/plugins/settings etc.
But why? Because it's just a dumb idea.Yes, I'm for Opera getting profiles but not for putting them in workspace because it's just a stupid idea.
My proposals for changes in Opera (Google Document).
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edmarcio last edited by edmarcio
@jojo0587 You are focusing too much in different profiles.
Workspace should be in different containers (cache and cookies differents) but the same profile (same bookmarks and stuffs of yor profile)... it is like Private Windows works without the Private part and in the same window in a different workspace.Profiles is a whole different thing that most browser have but having 2 windows is a not ideal.
And Whatsapp was an example... it can be a news site, email, etc... any site that have login via cookies should be separetely between Workspaces to be useful.
That is how most people see Workspaces... and that is why it was a surprise when Opera released it without that feature.
Workspace School: you use your school credentials to logins on sites
Workspace Personal: you use your personal credentials to logins on sites
Workspace Work: you use your work credentials to logins on sitesAll using the same profile with same bookmarks... just cookies and cache are separetelly between workspaces (just like Private Window do but without the private options enabled).
Nobody wants Workspaces with different profiles... nobody wants to have several profiles or create them.
I can't see how anybody can't see how useful is that it is how Workspace was supposed to work... it is a deal breaker feature... the Firefox thought of the right ideia with Containers but forget the organization part because it is dumb to have diferent containers per tab and Workspace fix that issue making perfect.
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jojo0587 last edited by
@edmarcio said in Workspaces as separate sessions:
That is how most people see Workspaces... and that is why it was a surprise when Opera released it without that feature.
Really? Have you done any research? A survey?
@edmarcio said in Workspaces as separate sessions:
Workspace should be in different containers (cache and cookies differents) but the same profile (same bookmarks and stuffs of yor profile)... it is like Private Windows works without the Private part and in the same window in a different workspace.
For example: I open page "A", which requires login. I open a lot of subpages of the "A" page and move some of them to the "Temporary" workspace because in the view of the first workspace they would simply disturb me. When I want to go back to one of the "Temporary" pages for a while, I will suddenly not be logged in? It's just stupid.
@edmarcio said in Workspaces as separate sessions:
Workspace School: you use your school credentials to logins on sites
Workspace Personal: you use your personal credentials to logins on sites
Workspace Work: you use your work credentials to logins on sitesAnd that's exactly why workspaces were created. To categorize pages in tabs. And only for that. You want separate login/cookie sessions - open a new profile. But you don't really need separate profiles to open "A", "B" and "C" pages from the "Work" workspace and for example "D" and "E" pages from the "Personal" workspace. Just side A-C and D-E
keep in separate workspaces.
Why do you need different cookie sessions in separate workspaces? Can't you just open and store different pages in separate themed workspaces?Isn't it easier to have several profiles in one Opera installation in which 100% everything can be set in a completely different way?
I use Opera in the portable version myself and in the directories it looks like this:
...\Opera - "installation" files of the program
But:
...\Opera\profile - this is the profile directory.
If I turn off Opera, rename "profile" to any other name (e.g. "profile test") and start Opera then Opera will create a new "profile" directory,
so it will look like a freshly installed program. But if I close Opera again, delete "profiles" and rename the "profile test" directory to "profiles" and re-enable Opera, it will return to the previous Opera configuration.It's not easier to have "profiles" directory instead of "profiles #1", "profiles #2",
"profile #3" etc and in each have 100% freedom to configure Opera?My proposals for changes in Opera (Google Document).
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edmarcio last edited by edmarcio
@jojo0587 You can see it in this own thread... only you is against it.
And again forget profiles... nobody wants a new profile in a Workspace.Like I said the feature already exists in Opera with Private Window (same profile with different cookies and cache)... it just needs to be made into Workspace without the Private options enabled.
It is not something crazy... it just how people see Workspaces... how it is now I don't use at all.
If it is not possible or not something in the priority only Opera devs can say but that thread is about feature request, no? Why to be so admant against a feature request that others thinks to be useful? After all it can have flag to enable/disable it.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by leocg
@edmarcio Tabs groups (islands) was introduced only in Opera One, while workspaces have been there for years already.
For workspaces to work the way people are suggesting, it would need to be rewritten. And it would need to use a different profile for each one.
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edmarcio last edited by edmarcio
@leocg I think we will agree to disagree here... workspace is not tab groups and I don't believe Opera devs created it as tab groups (it makes no sense).
Plus you guys talking about profiles when Private Windows works with the same profile and have clean cookies/cache.I guess only Opera devs knows what is possible or not... and imo it is a matter of time/work to implement the feature and priorities than the "impossible" or "have to use other profiles" excuses.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@edmarcio Well, it was. See https://help.opera.com/en/latest/features/#workspaces and the posts when Opera version with workspaces was released.
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edmarcio last edited by edmarcio
@leocg said in Workspaces as separate sessions:
@edmarcio Well, it was. See https://help.opera.com/en/latest/features/#workspaces and the posts when Opera version with workspaces was released.
No sure what are you trying to say in no place in that link says anything about "group" because you not actually "grouping" tabs but creating a new empty area for them.
"Think of workspaces as pockets for tabs – you can keep them empty, or you can fill them."
Now look what they said about Tab Islands: https://blogs.opera.com/news/2023/06/opera-tab-islands/
"This way, each browsing context is kept in a separate group for easy organization and focused browsing."
See the difference?
@leocg said in Workspaces as separate sessions:
@edmarcio Opera seems to be implementing multiple profiles, there's a flag in Opera Developer.
That is nice... and it is a very requested feature too (and I see it as priority).
But it won't help with Workspace session isolation that we are asking... talking about myself only here multiples profiles is not useful but I see others uses for it. -
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@leocg said in Workspaces as separate sessions:
Workspaces are/were Opera's implementation of tabs groups. It was never meant to have a different profile/session/whatever.
Thank you. You calmed me down. Turning workspaces into profiles (in whole or in part) is a really bad idea. I don't want this to affect Opera.
@leocg said in Workspaces as separate sessions:
Workspaces were created and released as a way to organize tabs.
I agree with you a hundred times. Even a thousand times!
@leocg said in Workspaces as separate sessions:
Opera seems to be implementing multiple profiles, there's a flag in Opera Developer.
Opera 102.0.4857.0 and this flag?
opera://flags/#side-profiles
I turned it on and in the Opera interface I don't see anything about choosing a profile.My proposals for changes in Opera (Google Document).
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@leocg said in Workspaces as separate sessions:
The way for workspaces to have a isolated session would be them working as a private window. That means all data being lost when you exit Opera.
@edmarcio At the moment you should have several Opera portables. Or one Opera portable and use the trick with changing the name of the profile directory that I wrote about here:
https://forums.opera.com/post/317560
But the downside is that you can only use one profile at a time.My proposals for changes in Opera (Google Document).
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edmarcio last edited by edmarcio
@leocg that is not necessary true... it is a feature to clean data after exit in private windows... the developer can disable that if they want.
You guys are taking private window example too literal... devs needs just to develop Workspace to work like private widowns without clean up the cache/cookies on exit.
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edmarcio last edited by edmarcio
@jojo0587 that is not pratical in any way so that is why we are asking for Workspace have sperated sessions by itself using the same profile.
Do you understand that the ideia of feature request is about something that can't be done with the actual software and the developer have to work to add that new feature?
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@edmarcio said in Workspaces as separate sessions:
that is not pratical in any way so that is why we are asking for Workspace have sperated sessions by itself using the same profile.
Apparently, I'm not the only one who thinks that workspaces were created so that the user could sort the cards thematically. And it makes no sense to push partial functionality of profiles into this feature.
Want to have actual separate cookie sessions? Wait for real profiles to be added to Opera.
My proposals for changes in Opera (Google Document).
- There are not enough signs to put all the links here.
