I don't trust Google!

  • Hence, I'm avoiding Opera 15, 16! Unless one of you can convince me this Chromium engine won't dial back to Google, does not secretly uses Google as a proxy server, or Google does not have a secret data mining agreement with Opera... Other than that, 15 and 16 are BAD esoteric numbers, so are 18, 19, and 21! They did the right thing skipping 13, 14. But not so wise in doing those other unlucky numbers as seen by the esoteric community (look up Major Arcana and you'll see why 15, 16 and esp. 21 are particularly bad after 13!) If I'm going to use Chromera, it will either be version 17 or 22 onwards...

  • They can't convince you it doesn't secretly use Google unless Opera releases the source code, which I'm pretty sure they won't do.

    You don't have to worry about Google tracking unless you're doing something illegal, and even then, they're not likely to do anything about it.

  • If you don't trust Google for the reasons stated, you probably should just disconnect your computer and not bother logging on to the internet. We're being tracked "regardless" of the search engine used, the "do not track" options we check, the extensions we employ (i.e. Ghostery) etc. It's the nature of the beast. I don't see it as a big issue. It doesn't concern me that I'm served up ads that are designed specifically for me the way Amazon does them. In fact, I welcome it. And since I don't do illegal things nor go to questionable sites, my being tracked is the least of my concerns. I'm far more concerned with the crazy world I rub shoulders with at the local mall.

  • Chromium is open source, and not owned by Google. Chrome, the Google browser, has extra stuff added beyond the basic Chromium package. The only thing in Opera which could count as reporting to Google is the search suggestions, but you can change search engines if you're worried about that.

    But obviously we can't convince you. Believe what you will.

  • You sound way too paranoid to be using the Internet.
    And choosing not to use a product solely because of its version number seems way too silly to me.

  • Originally posted by LogicGoog:

    You sound way too paranoid to be using the Internet.
    And choosing not to use a product solely because of its version number seems way too silly to me.

    Superstition is silly of course but it's something lasting over millennia.
    One might ask why Opera skipped version number 13?

    The version identifier 13 was skipped, thought to be for reasons of superstition, while 14 was used to refer to a WebKit-based release of Opera for Android.

    As for paranoia, it can be triggered even by the most trivial findings like:

  • Originally posted by Guest703:

    You don't have to worry about Google tracking unless you're doing something illegal

    That's a myth. Everything you do and say may and will be used against you or against others.

    And if it's just that it makes Google's machines more knowledgeable about what people in general think and most of all how people think by improving the algorithms. The development of multi-agent systems didn't stop in the 90s.

    Yes, I'm already worried if Google knows my interests better than I do myself. Paranoia is a mental illness, I know you don't mean it that way. But the technology is finally at a stage were more and more people, people who have a reputation to lose, openly say that multi-agent systems and big data collection are becoming a general thread in themselves, something they wouldn't have said a few years ago. So to call it paranoid even colloquially is the overreaction here. The technology is here and it is being used and we don't know how far the applications go, because IT companies and government agencies alike do not tell us.

    Yes, the only way out is not to play the game, to be a poor sport* and then leave the playing field. After all the mechanics of all this automtated spying and evaluating are based on game theory. If you want to beat someone who is trying hard to master the mechanics of game theory like the NSA, Google and all other major and minor IT companies do, you must not play with them in the first place. (*=Or being an exceptionally good sport, because game theory expects every person to be only acting in their own selfish interest. That's why companies love egoistic people, they are by far more predictable!)

    As for the data collection in Opera 15...? Who knows, who can tell? Everyone with a network sniffer. Would Opera ASA lie to us? I doubt it. But I'm sure they won't start talking unless someone asks them. As others have hinted at already, the data trail you leave behind while you visit sites regardless with what browser you use, probably exceeds by far the data collection Opera does. Maybe using the internet less generally is the better idea.

  • I am like the OP as I am doing more to move away from companies participating in Prism. If MS does not want to make a stand against the US government for the people that buy it's products then I just won't buy what they make. I informed my son I canceled the preorder of the Xbox One. I have stopped using IE at all. In regards to Google I have uninstalled Chrome. I am in the process of figuring out how much to sell my Windows phone for (Nokia 610 prepaid). I am going to use a texting program that you install on your phone that can't be tracked that is provided by some nice company out there that cares about people's right to privacy. Sorry but you don't have to be paranoid to care about this issue. I just find it really wrong that the companies involved in Prism never made a fuss about having to participate. That is the problem.

    Oh .... and if you want a search engine that doesn't track your info use duckduckgo

  • Originally posted by WideOpenSpace:

    doesn't O15 use Blink, sort of branched of private version of Chromium ?

    Blink is not a private version of Chromium but its current rendering engine.

  • Originally posted by devilzzz2012:

    MS

    Actually Apple.inc also supported that prism stuff.

    it mean all iproducts etc will trackable by NSA.
    only Linux that not show up on List.

    but, ChromeOS is Linux based OS.
    who knows... 👀

    Even NASA also migrate ISS OS from windows to Linux, arround when Google and NASA work together in "Quantum computing" projects.

    i know its hard to accept, but thats the truth.
    its not that easy to untracked by NSA, FBI, CIA, DIA or another Anti-Criminals Organisations, its Everywhere.

    it better to ignore it or doesnt know about it .
    lesser' we know, Happier we are .

    politics is sh***ts place rily, it better to do not trust every News on Media.
    some of political dudes will do everything to Downvote i/e current president, see why snowden not reveal that prism at G.Bush era.
    why he reveal it now when Obama is sit as US president.

    and such that S***ty things will repeated , in another president, and the other and ... and ... and
    with side effects its Blur the main vision of current projects.

  • Originally posted by sgunhouse:

    Chromium is open source, and not owned by Google. Chrome, the Google browser, has extra stuff added beyond the basic Chromium package. The only thing in Opera which could count as reporting to Google is the search suggestions, but you can change search engines if you're worried about that.

    But obviously we can't convince you. Believe what you will.

    This thing, the chrome clone, aka, Opera 15.0.1147.141*, calls home and if you don't let it transmit data to, sitecheck2.opera.com [91.203.99.43] port 80, it flat refuses to make any connections. BTW, not sure about that last number 3, it could be a 5, in the address as sometimes I can't read my own hand writing. Probably is a 5.
    You can, however, successfully block the auto update "feature."

    I've read the user/disclosure agreement and they "claim" an ID number is assigned, but that it is not done in a manner that would identify an individual user. If you believe that, have I a bridge, a national moment of sorts, I can let you have cheap.....

    *Opera 15.0.1147.141, running in Xp-sp3 inside of VirtualBox on Slackware64-current.

  • sitecheck.opera.com is for the fraud and malware check feature. Opera 12 and all versions with this feature calls that site.

  • Originally posted by LeoCG:

    sitecheck.opera.com is for the fraud and malware check feature. Opera 12 and all versions with this feature calls that site.

    Ah, but in Opera 12.x you can turn that so called "feature" off and the browser is still usable. If you block it with your firewall in Opera 12.x the browser is still usable.
    Turning off "fraud and malware check" in Opera 15 is not an option. If you block it with your firewall in Opera 15, the browser will not connect to the outside world. If it can be turned off in Opera 15, would you be kind enough to point out how it is done?
    Oh, and, BTW, "fraud and malware check" is just another method of tracking a user's activities.

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    Personally, I think you're all nuts... well... paranoid. If you think you can protect your privacy online, you're living in a dream world. :whistle:

    Big Brother loves you. Ha!
    Just as it is illegal to read someone's snail mail and stalk someone, so it should be on the Internet and it will have to come to that some day given the abuses we have already seen.
    How do you feel about the stores you visit tracking your movements in the store via your smart phone?

  • Shall we keep this Opera-related, guys? The other discussion would technically belong in Discussions and Debates, over in the Lounge forums.

  • Originally posted by sgunhouse:

    Shall we keep this Opera-related, guys? The other discussion would technically belong in Discussions and Debates, over in the Lounge forums.

    OK, then how do we turn off the tracking in Opera 15.xx?

    I just installed and ran Opera_15.0.1147.148 and it would not connect to the outside world unless I let it first connect to 91.203.49.68 or 72.21.215.232.

    Oh, BTW, I also cannot sign on here while using Opera 15, but have to use a different browser.

  • Originally posted by Guest703:

    You don't have to worry about Google tracking unless you're doing something illegal, and even then, they're not likely to do anything about it.

    The U.S. Supreme Court recently ruled that even one's silence can be used against one as "evidence of guilt". Not worry unless you're doing something illegal?? No, now everything is "evidence" against you: even NOT doing something illegal.Think of the scene in Little Big Man where Custer uses "logic" to prove that no matter what his scout said, Custer was able to twist it into meaning whatever he wanted.

  • Originally posted by LDMartin1959:

    Originally posted by Guest703:

    You don't have to worry about Google tracking unless you're doing something illegal, and even then, they're not likely to do anything about it.

    The U.S. Supreme Court recently ruled that even one's silence can be used against one as "evidence of guilt". Not worry unless you're doing something illegal?? No, now everything is "evidence" against you: even NOT doing something illegal.Think of the scene in Little Big Man where Custer uses "logic" to prove that no matter what his scout said, Custer was able to twist it into meaning whatever he wanted.

    Off topic, again, but if you are going to make statements like that your should understand the situation that lead to the decision,

    "...Because he was "free to leave at that time," [App.14], they did not give him Miranda warnings. The police then asked Salinas questions. And Salinas answered until the police asked him whether the shotgun from his home "would match the shells recovered at the scene of the murder [Id., at 17.] At that point Salinas fell silent..."

    http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=4301673:Topic:1611349

  • do you even realize if your ISP or your Country goverment can do the same? :left:
    face it, You have no privacy once you connect to the internet . 👀
    in this day, there is no way to untracked unless you make your own internet cable beside official World Wide cabels.


    another thing, why picking google? there are bunch USA companies that support that thing.

  • Originally posted by cwizard:

    Originally posted by LDMartin1959:

    Originally posted by Guest703:

    You don't have to worry about Google tracking unless you're doing something illegal, and even then, they're not likely to do anything about it.

    The U.S. Supreme Court recently ruled that even one's silence can be used against one as "evidence of guilt". Not worry unless you're doing something illegal?? No, now everything is "evidence" against you: even NOT doing something illegal.Think of the scene in Little Big Man where Custer uses "logic" to prove that no matter what his scout said, Custer was able to twist it into meaning whatever he wanted.

    Off topic, again, but if you are going to make statements like that your should understand the situation that lead to the decision,

    "...Because he was "free to leave at that time," [App.14], they did not give him Miranda warnings. The police then asked Salinas questions. And Salinas answered until the police asked him whether the shotgun from his home "would match the shells recovered at the scene of the murder [Id., at 17.] At that point Salinas fell silent..."

    http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=4301673:Topic:1611349

    My point is that the idea that if one is doing nothing illegal one has nothing to worry about is foolish, which is NOT off topic but a response to a statement that was made ON TOPIC.

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