Opera 20 - Another unhappy loyal supporter
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lem729 last edited by
You say you've been a loyal supporter of Opera for 15 years. Well, I see you just joined the forum on May 24. Lol. We have so many people with complaints about Opera, claiming a long and loyal relationship with Opera. Welcome to the forum. And where have you been? In terms of whether you'll be here much longer or not, use the browser you like most. I'm using Opera 22 because I really enjoy it. If I enjoyed another browser more, I'd use that. And what I suggest for you is exactly that. No need for angry posts. Opera is a business. This is a free product. They don't owe you anything, so don't get angry with crude "heads out of their behinds" references. If you don't like Opera 22, move on. If you like enough of Opera 22 so that right now, you still prefer it to the other browsers, focus on what you like about it, and relax. Either the glass is half filled or it's half empty. See it as half-filled and you'll be happier for it.
If you have good ideas for improvements, go to the wish-list/suggestions forum.
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DarthMordred last edited by
It's not Google Chrome. It has distinct characteristics. But this argument is getting tired . . . Let's move on!
I mean the really remarkable characteristics that make a totally different browser than another (Chrome).
And I'm using the new OPERA at a time, and waiting anxiously for implementations that made the famous Opera. This is the reason we're here now believing that Opera will be able to maintain its characteristics with this new engine.>It's okay, what you say, but you have to enjoy what is, right now. Focusing on tomorrow all the time is a recipe for misery. Right now, at this precise moment, I still enjoy this browser, Opera 22, with its unique and for me wonderful speed dial (with folders), and some of the other features -- Discover, Stash, Turbo mode -- that distinguish it from Chrome more than Chrome, Firefox, or Internet Explorer. If I enjoyed any of the other browsers more than Opera, I'd be using them right now instead of Opera. And I recommend that test for anyone. Use the browser you enjoy more right now! Don't be a martyr waiting for something. Yes, one hopes Opera will keep making it better. I understand it's a work in progress, and requires reprogramming a new engine, which is not an insubstantial task. And there's reason to trust the longterm excellence of Opera. But still, the test is for now. And if you're here because you enjoy it more than the other browsers now, focus on the things you enjoy about it, so you're not suffering in the waiting.
BTW, I was just on this site reading about Firefox 29, and all of the complaints about the Chromification of Firefox. They've got an extension icon bar now that looks like Chrome, except the icons are so small, I can hardly see them. Those extension icons in Firefox make the Opera extension icons look reasonable, almost big, at least in my Windows 7.You are right. I should look for another browser that pleased me at the moment. And I was thinking to use Firefox, and be watching the development of Opera Blink. There are things that work in Firefox, it does not work in Opera, such as HTML5 Player on youtube.
I'm not saying that Blink Opera is a great browser, and has everything to be the best. But currently is not.
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lem729 last edited by
Exactly. For you, that's the thing to do. Good luck. And maybe after using Firefox for a while -- lol -- you'll have more of an appreciation for the faster Opera 22 (still a browser being refined) but with the world's greatest Speed Dial. Now Firefox is very much an extensions browser, so the exposure you got to extensions with the new Opera should be good preparation for that. I'm not knowledgeable on this HTML 5 ussue and You Tube -- whether Opera is lacking there or not. But you have to decide the feature or features that are important for you
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lem729 last edited by
Now when I tested Opera 22 on this HTML 5 test, it out-performed Firefox, Internet Explorer, and Safari.
http://html5test.com/results/desktop.html
And it is listed as supporting the HTML5 video player.
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DarthMordred last edited by
@darthmordred
Now when I tested Opera 22 on this HTML 5 test, it out-performed Firefox, Internet Explorer, and Safari.
http://html5test.com/results/desktop.html
And it is listed as supporting the HTML5 video player.
https://www.youtube.com/html5Opera 22 does not support the HTML5 player on Youtube. Is being implemented, perhaps in Opera 23.
And yes, it is an important feature for me.
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DarthMordred last edited by
Exactly. For you, that's the thing to do. Good luck. And maybe after using Firefox for a while -- lol -- you'll have more of an appreciation for the faster Opera 22 (still a browser being refined) but with the world's greatest Speed Dial. Now Firefox is very much an extensions browser, so the exposure you got to extensions with the new Opera should be good preparation for that. I'm not knowledgeable on this HTML 5 ussue and You Tube -- whether Opera is lacking there or not. But you have to decide the feature or features that are important for you
Speed Dial can be purchased for extensions. And there are very useful Firefox extensions that do not have in the Chrome extensions library.
The Opera that made the difference for me were other features that many users have exhibited here in this topic. And hopefully gradually be implemented in Blink engine.
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Deleted User last edited by admin
@darthmordred
Now when I tested Opera 22 on this HTML 5 test, it out-performed Firefox, Internet Explorer, and Safari.
http://html5test.com/results/desktop.html
And it is listed as supporting the HTML5 video player.
https://www.youtube.com/html5Opera 22 does not support the HTML5 player on Youtube. Is being implemented, perhaps in Opera 23.
And yes, it is an important feature for me.Acctually, Opera 22 suports free codecs such as WebM and VP9 but due to a Youtube's problem (see here) Opera devs made a patch to force Flash Player in all videos. But if you use this extension you will be able to see all videos with HTML5
PS: To use that extension use Opera Add-on 'Download Chrome Extension'
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lem729 last edited by
Speed Dial can be purchased for extensions.>
Yes, you can get speed dials in extensions in other browsers, but Opera's is the best, in my opinion (It's the class of the world). Have you tried making folders in the new Opera speed dial. You drag one link-thumbnail on top of another, and you have a folder. You can use beautiful art as wallpaper (either your own, Opera's, or by right clicking on a jpg you find on the web. Yes, Firefox has more extensions, but it's also slower -- perhaps the slowest of the major browsers. And the new Firefox 29 has been Chromified with its extensions bar of tiny icons.
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samkook last edited by
I'm not sure I would say opera's speed dial is the best(but it is the original one), they all pretty much come down to the same thing.
I'm quite fond of the Super Start extension to have a speed dial in firefox and you can also create folders with it(although I personally find that useless) and there's a nice todo list that can be enabled on the right.
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lem729 last edited by
But you don't like folders (they're useless to you) so touting Super Start is dubious
since you don't appreciate the key item -- the folder aspect. Super Start also is a folder animal (and quite good for an extension speed dial), but Opera handles the folders, in my humble opinion, better. In Opera, you can expand the Speed Dial infinitely (with a search engine to find things). In Super Start there is no search engine to find things on the speed dial, so if you add a lot to the Speed Dial, you'll have trouble finding what you want.. In Opera you can have 8 or nine items on a row and it still looks good (and you can customize it further, and have more items). That's because Opera will only show four thumbnails in the folder, so the thumbnails in the folders still look good. In Super Start, it's look bad when you have too many items in a row (because Super Start will show all items in a folder, even 8 or 9 till they look near microscopic). In Opera if you click on a landmark in the Speed Dial it opens in a foreground view. In Super Start, it opens annoyingly in a background view. In Opera, you can go anywhere on the internet, find a jpg, and add it as wallpaper to the speed dial with a right click. And all the wallpaper you have for the Opera speed dial is segregated then, can be found with a right click on the speed dial) and you don't have to go hunting for stuff on your computer to make changes (unless you're adding new wallpaper). In Super Start, you can't add internet art, with a right click action. Nor are speed dial themes (that you have used before) segregated in a discrete location, that can instantly be found with a right click on the speed dial. Instead, you have to hunt on your computer for speed dial art/wallpaper, every time you want to make a change. In Super Start, when you make the folders smaller, the captions because exceedingly difficult to read. Opera's Speed Dial doesn't seem to have that problem. But don't get me wrong. I still like Super Start (for what it is, and it does have some unique, enjoyable features). I just prefer the Opera Speed Dial. -
DarthMordred last edited by
@darthmordred
Now when I tested Opera 22 on this HTML 5 test, it out-performed Firefox, Internet Explorer, and Safari.
http://html5test.com/results/desktop.html
And it is listed as supporting the HTML5 video player.
https://www.youtube.com/html5Opera 22 does not support the HTML5 player on Youtube. Is being implemented, perhaps in Opera 23.
And yes, it is an important feature for me.Acctually, Opera 22 suports free codecs such as WebM and VP9 but due to a Youtube's problem (see here) Opera devs made a patch to force Flash Player in all videos. But if you use this extension you will be able to see all videos with HTML5
PS: To use that extension use Opera Add-on 'Download Chrome Extension'It did not work. A picture is better than words.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/darthmordred/operahtml5_zpsb2d20123.pngThis problem does not occur in Firefox.>>> Speed Dial can be purchased for extensions.>
Yes, you can get speed dials in extensions in other browsers, but Opera's is the best, in my opinion (It's the class of the world). Have you tried making folders in the new Opera speed dial. You drag one link-thumbnail on top of another, and you have a folder. You can use beautiful art as wallpaper (either your own, Opera's, or by right clicking on a jpg you find on the web. Yes, Firefox has more extensions, but it's also slower -- perhaps the slowest of the major browsers. And the new Firefox 29 has been Chromified with its extensions bar of tiny icons.
Well, the speed dial works efficiently in extension for Firefox. But to come native in Opera, I also think better.
Regarding "Chromified", I disagree. Only the appearance has changed, and there is the option of leaving the old layout. Possibility that simply does not exist in Opera Blink, we are bound to use the layout of Chrome for a long, long time (assuming that we continue to operate using blink). This is a BIG difference.Still, extensions, customizations, bars, menus, etc. still present. And is not that we are complaining about the new opera?
And yet, I have another problem with this engine. What seems common in forum Chrome. What is occasional freezes processing or memory, I do not know. My notebook is a I5 with 6GB RAM. I did not have this problem with PRESTO and Firefox.
Even in changlog Opera 22, there is an upgrade in regard to this problem. I suppose you have tabs for each debt case covers your price. I dont know.
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lem729 last edited by
When I was using Chrome more (back and forth with it and Opera Presto), I had some blue screens, and warnings from Norton that my CPU was almost entirely used by Chrome. I think it's more resource hungry than Opera. Since I started using Opera blink almost exclusively -- 3 months -- I've had no Norton warnings, and no blue screens.
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A Former User last edited by admin
What has caused me disappointment with Opera blink, is the lack of innovative implementation of ASA in OPERA browser. Opera Next, currently is nothing more than a google Chrome, which is updated according to the google browser.
Wrong.My Opera vs. Chrome "comparison": https://forums.opera.com/post/31150
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DarthMordred last edited by admin
What has caused me disappointment with Opera blink, is the lack of innovative implementation of ASA in OPERA browser. Opera Next, currently is nothing more than a google Chrome, which is updated according to the google browser.
Wrong.
My Opera vs. Chrome "comparison": https://forums.opera.com/post/31150I've talked about it. The differences are superficial, nothing that makes a person prefer Chrome to Opera. Not yet. Speed Dial is the only major difference. And an extension easily solves the problem. It is an illusion that Opera is very different from the Chrome browser. Currently it is not, and we have to deal with it. Was the way that Opera chose. That instead of looking for the innovations themselves with own engine, lower costs, leaving all development to other companies. It is a cheaper and less risky bet.
For example, a change that you quote:
"The downloads pop-up is more discrete than the Chrome toolbar downloads"It is irrelevant. Up for what is discreet and what is not is subjective. People are not idiots. Do not call the current operates chopera by chance, there is a background of reason to say that.
When I was using Chrome more (back and forth with it and Opera Presto), I had some blue screens, and warnings from Norton that my CPU was almost entirely used by Chrome. I think it's more resource hungry than Opera. Since I started using Opera blink almost exclusively -- 3 months -- I've had no Norton warnings, and no blue screens.
In my case, when I leave the notebook hibernating. And again I use it, the browser is slow, and need to restart opera, for it to work properly. The reason I think this is a problem that is greatly improved in version 22. And hopefully further improve in version 23.
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A Former User last edited by
@darthmordred you're cherry-picking from the text I wrote. -.- Speed Dial and downloads pop-up are the tip of the iceberg. There are lots of differences you can see if you aren't intentionally blinding yourself.
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DarthMordred last edited by
@darthmordred you're cherry-picking from the text I wrote. -.- Speed Dial and downloads pop-up are the tip of the iceberg. There are lots of differences you can see if you aren't intentionally blinding yourself.
I got an example of a minor change you cited to support your argument.
Counter-argument citing several unimportant aspects between two very similar browsers, and post a link, does not automatically make a valid argument.Deal with the fact that we are all using Opera on Blink sure that each version will have it's own personality.
It's what I believe will happen.We are part of the user base OPERA, why trust it will be the best browser soon.
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lem729 last edited by
Slight correction there, Darthmordred. It is the best browser now
even without all the features, and I do trust it will be even better in the future. -
A Former User last edited by
I got an example of a minor change you cited to support your argument.
Counter-argument citing several unimportant aspects between two very similar browsers, and post a link, does not automatically make a valid argument.
They might be minor and unimportant for you, but for me they're significant and important differences I make use of everyday. And beyond that, they show that Opera is not a carbon copy / clone of Chrome like some people mistakenly affirm and that even in small things (and including the big things) the design choices Opera Software make are quite different than Google's team. -
mccujo last edited by
@lem729 The fact that I joined these fora on 24th of May is utterly irrelevant to my user history with Opera. You have made an assumption and accusation based on circumstantial data. I made a statement on my use history; you should pay me the curtsey of accepting that.
@leushino Tell the story as it is, I mentioned this thread in a new thread created with my comment. That thread was closed and I was directed here with, “If you know about that topic than just use it, please.”
Fanboys aren’t the only people be a voice and the right to use it.
Yes, I was disillusioned and expressed my disappointment. Such a position doesn’t exclude me from joining fora. They are the place for discussion, both promoting and dissenting. A wise person will take all opinions and treat them as valuable feedback that shows room for improvement and where things are performing well.
If you had read my original comment, lem729, you would have noticed I did indeed specify areas I felt require addressing.
Leushin, telling someone if they don’t like it, they should leave is a bully’s tactic.
Lem279 and Leushino, you two are members just like the rest of us. Try behaving like it
