Wikipedia and Opera 12.18

[rif]

rif last edited by

Why doesn't this wikpedia page render ?

Loads instantly with 12.18 under Win 7.

[stng]

stng last edited by

@rif

Loads instantly with 12.18 under Win 7.

Same for 12.18 (32-Bit) under Win XP SP 32 (32-bit)

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Strange, I have exactly the same configuration (12.18 (32-Bit) under Win XP SP 3 (32-bit), and it won't load for me, just a white screen.

[blackbird71]

blackbird71 last edited by

Perhaps a user-location-based issue or security protocol setting are somehow involved? I'm in Midwestern USA, and it's failing to load with 32-bit Opera 12.18 on Win7-64, with TLS1, 1.1, and 1.2 enabled and SSL3 disabled in Opera's Security Protocols.

[marco228]

marco228 last edited by

@stng Thank you.

Works fairly well in "clean" Opera 12.18

No, it does not, not on my side.

Check your Opera's profile settings
Try with new Opera's profile
Check adblock, extensions, AV settings etc.

No AV here, and have tried in a "clean" installation before my first post here - same result.

@rif Thank you.

I must say that I didn't expect that two of you can get it rendered.
This comes as a bit of hope but above all as more confusion.
Needless to say that I'm now more lost.

@blackbird71 Thank you.

As you, I have an indication that a secure connexion has succeeded, but the page remain all blank.

I don't think this is a totally general wikipedia problem, but rather one specific to either that page alone or involving some special/flawed coding, handshaking, or DRM techniques associated with that page.

Unfortunately, the problem isn't specific to that page alone.

Here are some examples of other pages I can't get rendered :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_be_evil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menelaus'_theorem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World's_50_Best_Restaurants

I would say it could occur with any URL with ' into it.
But I can't make a universal rule of that, because like you, I was able to reach other page including this same ' ...

[blackbird71]

blackbird71 last edited by

Here are some examples of other pages I can't get rendered :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_be_evil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menelaus'_theorem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World's_50_Best_Restaurants
I would say it could occur with any URL with ' into it.
But I can't make a universal rule of that, because like you, I was able to reach other page including this same ' ...

I do believe you're on to something, though. I tried the following similar addresses in 12.18 with results shown:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/don't works
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/don't_tell works via a redirect to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_in_the_Heart
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/don't_(a single letter) fails

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/won't fails
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/won't_tell works
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/don't_(a single letter) fails

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/can't works via a redirect to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_modal_verbs#can
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/can't_tell works
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/can't_(a single letter) fails

There seems to be an issue here with Opera and the website that involves apostrophe's in the address, often made worse when an underscore also occurs in the address. The problem seems much more acute if the wiki has to look up or consult an index for an address that may be ambiguous or incomplete in its estimation.

The whole situation reminds me much of what can happen when 'special' characters aren't properly 'escaped' or aren't interpreted identically by both the sending and receiving software.

[drewfx]

drewfx last edited by

I haven't come up with a solution, but looking at the network info in Dragonfly, the page request is repeatedly returning:

HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
.
.
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Location: Stupid_forum_editor_won't_let_me_type_h_t_t_p_s_without_turning_it_into_a_link://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can%27t_Stop_(Red_Hot_Chili_Peppers_song)

In my 12.18, instead of following the redirect it just repeatedly retries the original request (with the ' instead of the %27).

If I enter Stupid_forum_editor_won't_let_me_type_h_t_t_p_s_without_turning_it_into_a_link://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can%27t_Stop_(Red_Hot_Chili_Peppers_song) I get the same results.

Based on this maybe someone else here knows of a solution or workaround?

[marco228]

marco228 last edited by

All your addresses worked for me. We have so different results, this shouldn't happen. This is discouraging to find any logic behind this.

[rlaing0727]

rlaing0727 last edited by

I have had problems with Wikipedia in general for a while now. It often freezes up to and can't scroll with mouse wheel, only scroll bar.

[marco228]

marco228 last edited by

I still can't get any of those pages rendered, this is a permanent issue.

@stng : Can you access all of the examples I previously mentioned ?

@rlaing0727 : I may face the same as you, but only while the page is loading. Once loaded, the mouse wheel scrolling works fine.