Wikipedia and Opera 12.18

marco228

marco228

WEll, it works in Opera 38 without a problem.

I was asking specifically for 12.18, why told me it works in 38 ? Sorry, but this was useless.

There are not too many people still using Opera 12 on here.

Have you access to visitors statistics (browser versions) on this forum ?
Opera 12.18 was released only 4 month ago, for sure they are still many users, especially here.
I even seen question of Opera 11 user recently, and some people able to answer it.

I'm just getting a blank white screen on that page with 12.18 under Windows XP.

Thank you davehawley. This is sad
Till now, there was just some not so important heavy sites I have issue with, but an issue on an essential domain such as Wikipedia is a breakpoint. I'm really pissed off now.

stng

stng

@marco228
Why doesn't this wikpedia page render ?

Works fairly well in "clean" Opera 12.18 (Windows XP SP3).

Check your Opera's profile settings
Try with new Opera's profile
Check adblock, extensions, AV settings etc.

A Former User

Why doesn't this wikpedia page render ?

sorry but on x64 also broken anyway

blackbird71

blackbird71

On my Win7-64, Opera 12.18 also fails to finally load the page - it remains all white. Attempts to look at page source code show a blank page, and attempts to validate it at W3C show an empty-page failure. However, Opera's 'lock' page information at the left end of the address bar indicates that a secure connection to wikipedia's https server has indeed been made with a valid certificate. That implies that a failure to navigate successfully within the wiki server is occurring. Because other browsers access the page OK on this same system, the implication is that the blockage of Opera 12.18 is either because of sniffing at the server prior to serving up the page code or because final cert negotiations specific to that page are failing (a peculiar cert or DRM issue between the browser version and that specific page).

In entering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can't into the Opera 12.18 address bar and clicking on various entries of the list of choices that appeared, I was able to successfully visit other wiki song title pages having the Can't title term, but not the Chili Peppers page. Consequently, I don't think this is a totally general wikipedia problem, but rather one specific to either that page alone or involving some special/flawed coding, handshaking, or DRM techniques associated with that page.

rif

rif

Why doesn't this wikpedia page render ?

Loads instantly with 12.18 under Win 7.

stng

stng

@rif

Loads instantly with 12.18 under Win 7.

Same for 12.18 (32-Bit) under Win XP SP 32 (32-bit)

A Former User

Strange, I have exactly the same configuration (12.18 (32-Bit) under Win XP SP 3 (32-bit), and it won't load for me, just a white screen.

blackbird71

blackbird71

Perhaps a user-location-based issue or security protocol setting are somehow involved? I'm in Midwestern USA, and it's failing to load with 32-bit Opera 12.18 on Win7-64, with TLS1, 1.1, and 1.2 enabled and SSL3 disabled in Opera's Security Protocols.

marco228

marco228

@stng Thank you.

Works fairly well in "clean" Opera 12.18

No, it does not, not on my side.

Check your Opera's profile settings
Try with new Opera's profile
Check adblock, extensions, AV settings etc.

No AV here, and have tried in a "clean" installation before my first post here - same result.

@rif Thank you.

I must say that I didn't expect that two of you can get it rendered.
This comes as a bit of hope but above all as more confusion.
Needless to say that I'm now more lost.

@blackbird71 Thank you.

As you, I have an indication that a secure connexion has succeeded, but the page remain all blank.

I don't think this is a totally general wikipedia problem, but rather one specific to either that page alone or involving some special/flawed coding, handshaking, or DRM techniques associated with that page.

Unfortunately, the problem isn't specific to that page alone.

Here are some examples of other pages I can't get rendered :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_be_evil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menelaus'_theorem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World's_50_Best_Restaurants

I would say it could occur with any URL with ' into it.
But I can't make a universal rule of that, because like you, I was able to reach other page including this same ' ...

blackbird71

blackbird71

Here are some examples of other pages I can't get rendered :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_be_evil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menelaus'_theorem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World's_50_Best_Restaurants
I would say it could occur with any URL with ' into it.
But I can't make a universal rule of that, because like you, I was able to reach other page including this same ' ...

I do believe you're on to something, though. I tried the following similar addresses in 12.18 with results shown:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/don't works
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/don't_tell works via a redirect to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_in_the_Heart
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/don't_(a single letter) fails

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/won't fails
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/won't_tell works
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/don't_(a single letter) fails

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/can't works via a redirect to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_modal_verbs#can
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/can't_tell works
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/can't_(a single letter) fails

There seems to be an issue here with Opera and the website that involves apostrophe's in the address, often made worse when an underscore also occurs in the address. The problem seems much more acute if the wiki has to look up or consult an index for an address that may be ambiguous or incomplete in its estimation.

The whole situation reminds me much of what can happen when 'special' characters aren't properly 'escaped' or aren't interpreted identically by both the sending and receiving software.

drewfx

drewfx

I haven't come up with a solution, but looking at the network info in Dragonfly, the page request is repeatedly returning:

HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
.
.
.
Location: Stupid_forum_editor_won't_let_me_type_h_t_t_p_s_without_turning_it_into_a_link://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can%27t_Stop_(Red_Hot_Chili_Peppers_song)

In my 12.18, instead of following the redirect it just repeatedly retries the original request (with the ' instead of the %27).

If I enter Stupid_forum_editor_won't_let_me_type_h_t_t_p_s_without_turning_it_into_a_link://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can%27t_Stop_(Red_Hot_Chili_Peppers_song) I get the same results.

Based on this maybe someone else here knows of a solution or workaround?

marco228

marco228

All your addresses worked for me. We have so different results, this shouldn't happen. This is discouraging to find any logic behind this.

rlaing0727

rlaing0727

I have had problems with Wikipedia in general for a while now. It often freezes up to and can't scroll with mouse wheel, only scroll bar.

marco228

marco228

I still can't get any of those pages rendered, this is a permanent issue.

@stng : Can you access all of the examples I previously mentioned ?

@rlaing0727 : I may face the same as you, but only while the page is loading. Once loaded, the mouse wheel scrolling works fine.