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    • sgunhouse
      sgunhouse Moderator Volunteer last edited by

      It did release a security update once so far. Admittedly once isn't much but it is better than none.

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      • A Former User
        A Former User last edited by

        This is probably not the place to mention this, but Slimjet 10 uses Chromium 50, and still supports XP and Vista, which just shows that Opera (and Vivaldi) did not have to drop support!
        How long the Slimjet developers will be able to maintain this remains to be seen of course.
        🙂

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        • opermo
          opermo last edited by

          Thanks davehawley, that was very helpful information.

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          • opermo
            opermo last edited by

            Apparently Opera hasn't kept their word:

            "We do care for our loyal users...While Opera 36 will be last one with features additions on Windows XP and Vista, we are still going to provide security and crash fixes to XP and Vista platform."

            (Read the full article here)

            Slimjet is a great Chromium based browser that still supports XP and Vista, I assume many will migrate to that from Opera. Thank you davehawley for informing us of it.

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            • leocg
              leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by

              Apparently Opera hasn't kept their word:

              Why do you say that?

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              • opermo
                opermo last edited by

                Why do you say that?

                Since 5/11 it didn't get any security updates, nor has the build changed from version 36.0.2130.75 to a higher number (within version 36).

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                • sgunhouse
                  sgunhouse Moderator Volunteer last edited by

                  And has there been a reason to update it since then - a known exploit or crash?

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                  • leocg
                    leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by

                    Since 5/11 it didn't get any security updates, nor has the build changed from version 36.0.2130.75 to a higher number (within version 36).

                    Well, as i said before i wouldn't expect frequent updates. Maybe a couple of them in a year or in a semester.

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                    • opermo
                      opermo last edited by

                      Well, as i said before i wouldn't expect frequent updates. Maybe a couple of them in a year or in a semester.

                      Or in a few years?

                      And has there been a reason to update it since then - a known exploit or crash?

                      So that's the standard, Opera's only going to come in with a patch after news breaks of a new known exploit or crash?

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                      • A Former User
                        A Former User last edited by

                        The Opera developers will make a judgement call as to whether any reported exploits justify a new update for 36.
                        Minor problems will probably not get patched as they arise, but hopefully when they do issue a new version it will contain a roll-up of all problems found since the last version. Only they can decide what problems are severe enough to warrant a new version, but they have promised that Opera 36 will remain safe, and I have no reason to think that they have reneged on that.
                        🙂

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                        • leocg
                          leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by

                          Or in a few years?

                          Maybe. It may depends on the severity of security issues.

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                          • leocg
                            leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by

                            So that's the standard, Opera's only going to come in with a patch after news breaks of a new known exploit or crash?

                            I guess it's not that easy to backport Chromium's security patches so Opera most probably will release an update with them only when there is an amount that justifies the release or if something really severe has been fixed.

                            They probably will not be releasing every month.

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                            • opermo
                              opermo last edited by

                              but they have promised that Opera 36 will remain safe, and I have no reason to think that they have reneged on that.

                              Why's that? They haven't updated 36 for Vista in two months already.

                              Or in a few years?

                              Maybe. It may depends on the severity of security issues.

                              Or what they deem important enough to create a patch for (which could be nothing).

                              I guess it's not that easy to backport Chromium's security patches

                              I guess it's easier for Slimjet to do so.

                              They probably will not be releasing every month.

                              Not probably, for sure. Question is if there'll be anything this year.


                              Anyway, from the discussions above and the debate over how many times a year Opera will deem it appropriate to send (only major) security patches it's clear that when Opera says: "We do care for our loyal users..." we're not to take that literally.

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                              • leocg
                                leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by

                                Why's that? They haven't updated 36 for Vista in two months already.

                                Well, they already said that Opera Presto (Opera 12.1x) would get security updates and the first one took around 3 years.

                                They said that Opera 36 would get updates but they didn't say how often those update would occur.

                                I guess it's easier for Slimjet to do so.

                                Well, i don't know Slimjet so i don't know how it is build or even how reliable it is.

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                                • opermo
                                  opermo last edited by

                                  Well, they already said that Opera Presto (Opera 12.1x) would get security updates and the first one took around 3 years.

                                  And that tells you all you need to know about how much they "care" about their loyal users.
                                  They didn't deem it appropriate to issue a security update for a web browser in three years?? Seriously??

                                  Well, i don't know Slimjet so i don't know how it is build or even how reliable it is.

                                  https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-the-new-chromium-based-browser-Slimjet
                                  http://www.thewindowsclub.com/slimjet-browser-review-download

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                                  • leocg
                                    leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by

                                    And that tells you all you need to know about how much they "care" about their loyal users.
                                    They didn't deem it appropriate to issue a security update for a web browser in three years?? Seriously??

                                    Right, they should just have announced that support for Vista and XP had ended and focus on more recent versions of Windows instead of trying to keep releasing updates to those users in old and unsupported Windows versions.

                                    Talking about Slimjet, i've unstalled it and noticed that it uses Chromium 50 while latest stable version is 51 and also it looks like Chrome with a skin and a few add-ons.

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                                    • opermo
                                      opermo last edited by

                                      Right, they should just have announced that support for Vista and XP had ended and focus on more recent versions of Windows instead of trying to keep releasing updates to those users in old and unsupported Windows versions.

                                      Exactly.
                                      Openly dropping XP/Vista users would have been better than pretending that they did not.
                                      If they make a promise of having the XP and Vista user's back (in terms of security), they have to keep it. Sadly they didn't.

                                      Talking about Slimjet, i've unstalled it and noticed that it uses Chromium 50 while latest stable version is 51

                                      I've noticed that too, but it's the best there is for Vista users (aside from Firefox which is slower). Definitely better than Opera.

                                      and also it looks like Chrome with a skin and a few add-ons.

                                      That's great, I like that.

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                                      • leocg
                                        leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by

                                        Exactly.

                                        I was being ironic. It's exactly because Opera care for its users that they are working to deliver at least security updates to Opera for Windows XP and Vista.

                                        If they make a promise of having the XP and Vista user's back (in terms of security), they have to keep it

                                        =Again, because it seems that you are having some difficulty inn understand it: They never said anything about how often those security updates would be released.

                                        So keep saying that they broke their "promise" is not right. So please stop doping it.

                                        That's great, I like that.

                                        So go use it and see for how long they will be releasing updates for XP/Vista.

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                                        • A Former User
                                          A Former User last edited by

                                          The Slimjet developers have obviously decided to do their own tweaks on the Chromium engine to keep it working on Vista and XP, and incidentally it still works with NPAPI plugins like Java and QuickTime as well, but how long they will keep the will to do that, or indeed will be able to, is a complete unknown.
                                          Opera (and Vivaldi) perhaps sensibly, decided that it was better to just drop XP and Vista support in their current and future versions.
                                          I still have no reason to disbelieve Opera's assertion that they will keep Opera 36 stable and safe for XP and Vista users.
                                          Unless anyone has definite knowledge of a major security flaw that has not been patched in Opera 36 that should have been, I see no reason for anyone to assume that this is the case just because there hasn't been an update to 36 for a while.
                                          🙂

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                                          • leocg
                                            leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by

                                            but how long they will keep the will to do that, or indeed will be able to, is a complete unknown.

                                            Yep, that is the point. It probably will depends on Chromium and can become impracticable at any time.

                                            Also, as changes and updates in Chromium are no longer aimed on those OS, we don't know if their users will really be safe.

                                            Opera (and Vivaldi) perhaps sensibly, decided that it was better to just drop XP and Vista support in their current and future versions.

                                            Probably their developers could also have tweaked Chromium to allow it to be used in XP/Vista for more time but considered it too much risky and opted for another solution.

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