From Opera 12 to 20...a giant leap back for mankind

[fluxrev]

fluxrev last edited by

Among other things, the fact that the range of Opera Blink's keyboard shortcuts is so limited---e.g., no keyboard shortcuts for Speed Dial items(!)---and that keyboard shortcuts are not customizable suggests to me that Opera has very little interest in the Desktop user. Might as well use IE.

[blackbird71]

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If Opera (and perhaps Microsoft as well?) are looking at the desktop through a dominating lens of the current mobile/handheld device trend, then their choices and decisions might seem more understandable - though not necessarily more palatable to traditional desktop users. (eg: With handhelds, keyboards are secondary functional elements, with desktops they are essential - particularly for many technical apps).

For a variety of critical usage categories, desktops and handhelds are entirely different systems with very different optimization needs... but in a culture increasingly carried away by trends and fads, the necessary differences are not always grasped nor supported. Only time will tell if more desktop-focused features are returned to Opera.

[werewolf]

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Why can't we have a plug in or add on or something to give us back the side panel so I can access my 4,000 bookmarks on Opera or Chrome?

[A Former User]

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@colej2000

He's well known for being abusive towards anyone who criticises Opera whether warrants or not

If you mean me, I am well-known for being critical of the potty-mouthed losers and whiners who troll these forums, and who cannot make any constructive criticism without profanity, shouting, or ranting.
Polite users who need some help getting to grips with changes new versions will always get at least some help from me, even if it's just a link to a previous thread, or advice to search first for previous answers before posting.

See what I mean, no one can say I wasn't 100% correct about him. You should all be asking yourselves how he can keep getting away with being obtuse to people here

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

@colej2000

See what I mean

You are obviously completely clueless — you are 100% wrong about me.

First you lie that I am abusive to anyone who criticises Opera — I am not. I criticise people who use foul language, who rant, and whine. Constructive criticism is welcome — it helps to fix problems and improve Opera. However, profanity, SHOUTING, and abuse of the developers or other users is not welcome here. It muddies the waters when users come here looking for help.

Obtuseness is the last thing I can be accused of. I might be accused of being too blunt.

[biggerabalone]

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I also just switched from 12 to 20 and am very disappointed, too! There are too many customisation possibilities missing.
Immediately after starting my first session I realized two great functionalities just disappeared. And I hardly think they are extremely hard to implement again.
First, I may be blind, but the very useful bin on the right upper corner is missing. Second, Opera 12 was able to block 100% of any pop-ups. Now I have to deal with pop-up ads again, even when the pop-up blocker is switched on! I could go on criticising for hours...
I have to agree to another thread OLD IS GOLD in that case. All of the functionalities from 12 should be implemented in 20. With this version 20 you can just switch to Firefox or Chrome and be done with it...

its getting better. you should compare the differences from 15 to 20. it'll be even better at 30. give it time:)

[fluxrev]

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[mod edit: it's enough. Give those private discussions a rest please]

[ender-go]

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[mod edit: it's enough. Give those private discussions a rest please]

[jay1sthill]

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Dear Pesala,
my beloved set of 12'16 is getting a bit slow now; I tolerate some old quirks
but definitely will keep sticking to my bunch of shiny "Rolls Royces" in the lot.

I hope desperately they will be maintained, until "20" gets
all the gauges, handles and knobs under the hood a serious working tool deserves IMHO.
For instance: opera:config, bookmarks manager, zoom-slider,
tools to arrange bars and buttons. After all: This is the desktop version.

I propose strongly A) plain text towards community and Opera.com might invent the Donate button.

With dedication and respect: JJH

By the way: I gathered some 800 organized bookmarks, 40 on top and 160 on the SD grid.
Felt blindfolded without 'em

[jay1sthill]

jay1sthill last edited by

Dear Pesala,
my beloved set of 12'16 is getting a bit slow now; I tolerate some old quirks
but definitely will keep sticking to my bunch of shiny "Rolls Royces" in the lot.
I hope desperately they will be maintained, until "20" gets
all the gauges, handles and knobs under the hood a serious working tool deserves IMHO.
For instance: opera:config, bookmarks manager, zoom-slider,
tools to arrange bars and buttons. After all: This is the desktop version.
Of course I appreciate its new, elegant features but fairly not as exchange...
I propose strongly A) plain text towards community and Opera.com might invent the Donate button.
With dedication and respect: JJH
By the way: I gathered some 800 organized bookmarks, 40 on top and 160 on the SD grid.
Felt blindfolded without 'em

[anystuff]

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i was using opera since it`s origin.

have no time to write too much...
...sighing...
ill try to stick with 12.16 as long as itll kept working at least somehow(((
then...
i`ll be on my way to some other browser...
maybe, firefox will learn to deal with RAM.
maybe, chrome will learn something on how to design UI.
maybe, IE ... well, not a chance.

anyway, there is absolutely no circumstances i`ll switch to chropera.

RIP, Opera.
it was nice knowing you.

[Deleted User]

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This useless thread should be locked. It's simply a soapbox for whining and discontent serving no practical purpose.

[alreadybanned]

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This useless thread should be locked. It's simply a soapbox for whining and discontent serving no practical purpose.

Discontent is what improves a product, sycophants only serve to speed up it's demise

[Deleted User]

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You have no idea (as usual) what you're talking about. Furthermore, if you're going to use a "big word" such as sycophants, at least learn how to spell it correctly.

[A Former User]

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@awzx

Nevertheless, this "rumor" appears to be pretty much plausible to me at the given moment
I already explained that the rumor is false, so please stop spreading it.

[alreadybanned]

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1)You have no idea (as usual) what you're talking about. 2)Furthermore, if you're going to use a "big word" such as sycophants, at least learn how to spell it correctly.

1)As usual? My account is just over a week old.
2)It's not a big word(only 3 syllables) and that is how it's spelled
3)How exactly is your failed attempt at discrediting me adding to the conversation? After all, you're the one crying about threads like this. Pot meet kettle.

Your tears are salty

[Deleted User]

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My main concern is that it seems the devs of opera chrome are actually trying to create negativity by not answering posts about simple basic functionality issues and whatnot, I hope this opera chrome is infact made by the team of the original opera and opera mini and opera mobile (not the mobile chrome version) I mean i like opera and would like to stick with it and more than patient to wait till it can be achieved though I really get the feeling that opera pc users were abandoned but rather than getting bad publicity opera devs decided to act like they were trying to continue but the users gave up on them. I mean why is there no presence on the forum if they actually wanted us to believe that they intend to bring back the feeling of opera into the modern version. If opera chromium is not a priority than why create it to begin with are they just seeing if there is an interest if so why not just say so, there are many dedicated users willing to promote the continuation of opera, was opera bought out by an entity that stands to gain from its demise, kind of like when LorealParis bought out Filmation (producers of heman) and fired all the employees shut down he-man cartoon for good.

[blackbird71]

blackbird71 last edited by

My main concern is that it seems the devs of opera chrome are actually trying to create negativity by not answering posts about simple basic functionality issues and whatnot ... I really get the feeling that opera pc users were abandoned but rather than getting bad publicity opera devs decided to act like they were trying to continue but the users gave up on them. I mean why is there no presence on the forum if they actually wanted us to believe that they intend to bring back the feeling of opera into the modern version. If opera chromium is not a priority than why create it to begin with ... was opera bought out by an entity that stands to gain from its demise...

Opera ASA is not a mega-corporation, though it is publicly owned by multiple stockholders. Opera's forums have always been constructed around the concept of users helping other users having Opera browser questions and issues. Opera supplies the forum servers, and sometimes their developers will browse through those threads carrying titles that are relevant to their own expertise areas. But the primary forum "help" and responses come from other Opera users... even most, if not all, the forum mods are volunteers. This leads to several observations:

1. Opera developers don't exist to defend Opera strategic decisions. They exist to write code, implement features or bug fixes, and follow corporate strategy.

2. Thread/topic titles matter. Don't expect Opera devs to waste time plowing through threads whose sole reason to exist is to ventilate criticism of Opera design decisions made a year or more ago, let alone expect them to respond to such complaints.

3. Companies don't make major design revisions on a whim, nor turn their operation directions "on a dime". Whether or not "opera pc users were abandoned" in the decision to shift the desktop browser to the Blink engine, the decision has been made and the browser is being redesigned. Opera is not about to suddenly change their minds about that just because of yet one more endlessly repeated complaint. They will watch the marketplace and how those results interact with their plans and strategies.

4. Politeness matters. If one wants to get a point across, then they should politely document it with their reasons and suggestions, then supply it to the appropriate place in the appropriate way. Far too many complaint threads are initiated with just plain nasty, rude, and inflammatory posts, which in turn stimulate the flame wars that are seen to soon break out in nearly every one. Why would any rational developer wish to involve himself in any such thread? It would be an utterly pointless waste of his time, since nothing he could say or do would either reverse the company's decisions nor salve the poster anger and rudeness being demonstrated.

5. Developers are neither blind nor stupid. They can understand a reasonably well-stated post, but they may be limited in what they can do to respond to a given complaint or suggestion. They write code and have internal input into Opera's strategies and feature development, but they exist within a universe of other developers each having their own inputs and opinions, and all of them exist within the confines of both corporate strategy and the coding limitations of Opera's chosen major code engines.

[albatros48]

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Excellent comment! Not pleasant for everybody, but reflecting the rules of business....

[Deleted User]

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Indeed... an excellent set of observations. Thanks for bringing reason to this discussion, blackbird.