From Opera 12 to 20...a giant leap back for mankind
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Deleted User last edited by
But it doesn't have to alienate its loyal users IF they would have more patience and faith with the company. I refuse to give up on Opera. It's too early to say they've failed. It takes time to write a new browser from scratch. I started with Opera in 1999... that 15 years with the company. I still believe in Opera.
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awzx last edited by
Ha! So who do YOU trust?
Any open-source browser really. Firefox, Midori, Konqueror - just to name a few.
Opera did not betray anyone. Opera is trying to survive and I don't call that "obscure" reasons.
Survival is pretty much sufficient background for a betrayal. And, even if it really was a matter of survival (in what I don't believe), there could be other options to do it, but they came up with the easiest and stupidest one -- to throw all they have done in a bin and to switch to a completely other user base, with a completely new browser. Nuff said.
PS: maybe now, in order to "SURVIVE", they have to spy on their users, how do I know? How do I know what might be their next big move in order to stay afloat?
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herrpietrus last edited by
As I've said in other topic - there are a few things which could be easily made by Opera devs, a few things which shouldn't be thrown and could be provided if not as a part of the browser then maybe as a separate extension written by Opera team and those things will help to convince old users to use new Opera's browser and to still support it, promote on the internet... I'm not thinking about e-mail client, but... simple bookmarks manager, some way to add new bookmark when bookmarks bar is closed, simple RSS extension similar to already extisting Smart RSS, built-in tab switching options now provided by Classic Tabs, perhaps some extension to make fast notes...
I'm sure that Opera Blink would have been embraced by most users then. A change from Presto to Blink would have been an advantage, not a problem.Unfortunately instead of new, compatible with current web browser we got, well, of course tweaked and in some areas more functional Chrome copy, but still a bit to primitve copy. That's where the problem lays.
And I know, some could say - it's natural, since new Opera let us to use extensions so now it's up to us to write a proper one... But then only differences between Opera an Chrome are SpeedDial and mouse gestures... Nice and useful but not so amazing for old users... We simply think that Opera should stay somewhere between giving us everything and giving us nothing saying that know we can write our beloved browser by ourselves.
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oscarasker last edited by
well, maybe if opera is not developed under chromium, maybe a lot of people will consider.... you know why there are people still using opera browser instead of ggle chrome???? because they simply hate google, but still the opera (which is before a unique browser intended not for common people) is not using the same yucky platform as ever! sorry, i just really hate ggle and everything about it, and it is really heartbreaking to see that your before favorite browser is now as trashy as chrome.... really, i don't see why people keep on using such products, actually there's nothing special to them.... people are asking me why i am using opera, i simply say "chrome is only for common people", but then they are saying "opera is now based on chromium, what's the difference then?" ooh god.... i don't know what to say.... this is really horrible....
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Deleted User last edited by
PS: maybe now, in order to "SURVIVE", they have to spy on their users, how do I know? How do I know what might be their next big move in order to stay afloat?
I think you should find another browser. Opera is obviously not the browser nor the company for you.
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Deleted User last edited by
really, i don't see why people keep on using such products, actually there's nothing special to them.... people are asking me why i am using opera, i simply say "chrome is only for common people", but then they are saying "opera is now based on chromium, what's the difference then?" ooh god.... i don't know what to say.... this is really horrible....
And what I don't understand is: why are you here? If Opera is so horrible, why are you here? Why not find a browser that floats your boat and join their forum?
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awzx last edited by
I think you should find another browser. Opera is obviously not the browser nor the company for you.
Oh yes, I guess that's what you keep telling to everyone when you don't have anything else to say. I already have "found" another browser, but thanks for that useful advice.
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berng last edited by
i am using opera, i simply say "chrome is only for common people", but then they are saying "opera is now based on chromium, what's the difference then?" ooh god.... i don't know what to say.... this is really horrible....
There are difference. Some are pretty obvious. Others, like the Google update tasks added to Windows and added to your Windows scheduler to run often are not so obvious.I'm so sorry this is so horrible for you. Maybe you need to get used to another non-Chrome based browser. I have a pretty full life and Opera by far is my favorite browser. If Opera dropped the desktop browser would be disappointed but not in agony. Life goes on.
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d24 last edited by
Agree (to first comment), also using 12 so far don't mind 20 it's just missing tab stacking and my old bookmarks... how hard could it be to add features (or at least the option to features) you already had before!?
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Deleted User last edited by
I think you should find another browser. Opera is obviously not the browser nor the company for you.
Oh yes, I guess that's what you keep telling to everyone when you don't have anything else to say. I already have "found" another browser, but thanks for that useful advice.
Then if you are using another browser and have only bad things to say about the Opera browser AND the company, you are really doing little more than trolling here.
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Deleted User last edited by
Agree (to first comment), also using 12 so far don't mind 20 it's just missing tab stacking and my old bookmarks... how hard could it be to add features (or at least the option to features) you already had before!?
Features are being slowly added back on to a stable browser. I think the patience and civility that you have shown (so unlike many of the complainers who habitually haunt the Opera forums) are greatly appreciated.
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fluxrev last edited by
people are asking me why i am using opera, i simply say "chrome is only for common people", but then they are saying "opera is now based on chromium, what's the difference then?" ooh god.... i don't know what to say.... this is really horrible....
There have been a not insignificant number of comments in this vein —— that is, where the primary concern is neither practical nor philosophical but social in nature —— expressed on this forum (including its previous incarnation) since last spring, and it points to a characteristic of certain (younger) Opera Presto users. They have been Opera users not only for its functionality but also for its "cool" factor. This goes some way to explaining the emotional attachment that these users have to Opera Presto, and why suggestions involving alternate methods, workarounds, and the virtue of flexibility in the new, Blink era often fall on deaf ears.
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meridivs last edited by
Leushino, dear, get a life. After all there's nothing more you say on every thread beside - opera 12 is dead, you can go elsewhere.
If there's all that Opera has to offer then I'm moving on. I hope you're smart enough to do the same. Cheers!
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tyrantilles last edited by
I am also a Opera user (lover) from since I got my first computer - from before 2002. I use it as my primary browser from the beginning.
For me things are clear. The devs started to destroy Opera since they shut down Opera Unite. I have no need of a Chrome clone and I will never use the new version of Opera. For now I use 12.16 and when this version will get too old for my needs, I will look for other browser, probably Firefox.
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albatros48 last edited by
For me things are clear. The devs started to destroy Opera since they shut down Opera Unite. I have no need of a Chrome clone and I will never use the new version of Opera. For now I use 12.16 and when this version will get too old for my needs, I will look for other browser, probably Firefox.
Good luck! You certainly will come back to Opera soon....
I use Opera Developer as main browser and Firefox as second browser.
Though Firefox looks very pretty and nice, it is far not so reliable as the new Opera and takes much longer to start.
From my point of view Opera is still one step in advance.
Opera is very well designed and optimized for fast and effective browsing and I wonder, how the Internet Explorer can have so much
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Deleted User last edited by
I use Opera 20 and it is more stable than Chrome (I used that fpr a long time), as Leushino said, the features will be added soon. We have to wait. It does not help saying that the new opera sucks. it does not work and bla bla bla.
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indonesian last edited by
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**Hallo Opera I like to get my Opera Voice back and the copy to & from notes feature!
Two individual extensions for it will do just fine in all regards! **
All I can say is this; in regards of the never ending rat race into infinity!
Evolve & stop competing!
** DON'T COMPETE BUT JUST STAY UNIQUE!**
Uniqueness was in my view which made Opera browser what is was .........
Now they again just getting sucked or forced into the ever more boring competition & political games and all they will be in the end is just one of the boring flock!
What made Opera unique they taken right out of the new Opera 22\23
The crack happened in my view the day they taken the unique TTS voice function out of there browser with the 12 version.
Why did they even do it?? .......... No one could be so irresponsible if there are not greater powers steering the boat in the background!
Even some of the replacement Notepads having TTS function included .........
Opera started with it & now they dumped it & there super browser version 23 has lost his number one uniqueness & a notepad have the function build in?NO no ........ I say nothing is coincidental in this world & everything has a bigger evilness behind it to destroy all of uniqueness!
My prediction is ......... not long and Opera will just end up with the same shit product as the Chrome browser 350 MB download for starters? BIG THUMB DOWN ON THAT ONE!
Opera already moves into the same direction for (ver. 10,11, 12) ~10 to 20 MB full program plus 10 MB for two a grade speak voice nowhere to be found ........ now its already 45 MB base download for the Opera 22/23.
(BECOMES ONE OF THE FLOCK!!) or has maybe sold his hard already ......... because the word Chrome stands on top of the Opera name!
So as always 1 + 1 = 2 No guys don't get me wrong ....... all I would like to see is that Opera stays unique!!
So I have to agree with the OP @ender-go & add one more version ....... From Opera 11.60 to 12 to 20...a giant leap back for mankind!!
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Where is my Opera most clear voice Speech TTS; ........... give it back to Opera & yes the same voice one which was unique and absolute perfect! (10MB) only!Why did Opera team did not give us there original voice in a Extension form ..... NO PROBLEM AT ALL>>> If I would know how to right the Script for it to use the original Plugin I would do it myself & give it back to the World of Opera users & this way through an extension it could be used for all coming versions of Opera!
It was the voice type which made it unique for Opera not that there was a speech function! Give us back the Voice & your original Copy to & from Notes in an Extension format! >>>
PERFECT & WHY COULD IT NOT BE DONE OR WAS DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE & FOR STARTERS IS A MYSTERY TO ME?
One nice Extension with some of these file being included!!!
Then you call the extension (THE TRUE ORIGINAL VOICE OF OPERA IS BACK)
I wished someone could make himself the effort to create the extension which would return the old familiar Opera voice.
And one more extension with the copy to & from Notes feature!
I only have basics for script code creation so I cant do it; ....... would love to do it though! ........
Many will love you for it if the Opera team himself could not handle such task on them own?Here are all the file names involved to created the two original voices & some code written within the opera.dll to get it functional !
But if I'm not wrong the Plugin is is already designed to stand on its own!Where did opera got the original from in the first place?
Which vendor caries these voices??** E1FKAL00.LE",0,"5.2 MB","01/03/2013" **
**>>>>>> E1MKAN00.LE",0,"5.5 MB","01/03/2013" **
ecictts.dll",0,"704 kB","01/03/2013" ecienus.syn",0,"1.7 MB","01/03/2013" ecissml.dll",0,"192 kB","01/03/2013" en-us.bin",0,"1.2 MB","01/03/2013" prondict.ini",0,"307 B","01/03/2013" ready.pcm",0,"1.1 kB","01/03/2013" vxm.dll",0,"920 kB","01/03/2013"
vxmconfig.ini",0,"7.7 kB","25/03/2014" vxmdict_en-us.ini",0,"334 B","01/03/2013" vxmplugin.dll",0,"112 kB","01/03/2013" vxmservices.dll",0,"1.2 MB","01/03/2013" "vxmstrings_en-us.ini",0,"1.2 kB","01/03/2013" "xmlparse.dll",0,"34.5 kB","01/03/2013"**TWO: **
Where is the COPY-TO & PAST-FROM Notes menu feature gone too? & you could back it up by just copying the file (notes.adr) which was in basic text format too & not in Hex format as in all the extensions now ...........==================================
People need a browser ........ & not competition! >>>> Competition is for idiots!
Your best Friend will never lie to you!
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A Former User last edited by
IIRC Voice was removed from Opera because it was a third party product that was no longer supported by its originators.
That's not to say that Opera could not have probably found an alternative, but presumably they decided that its level of usage didn't warrant that.
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sanfloriani last edited by
Having used Opera since Netscape disappeared (1999?), I agree with all the negative comments expressed above. HELP is ridiculous, user-friendly features like customisable toolbars have disappeared, no way of opening a local HTML file from the browser, no viewable cache, etc. etc. - the list of my complaints is much, much longer.
Fortunately I had kept an installable copy of Opera 9, so I'm using it more and more frequently in lieu of this sorry new release.
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zoombee last edited by
I've being using Opera for 14+ years and it's been my preferred browser for it's great set of features that are present until v.12.17. Since Opera decided to discontinue all those features and a Desktop interface (I use Win 8.1) and support for Opera 12.17, I can only say good bye and move on to Firefox. It's a damn shame!
