Where are the bookmarks in Opera 18?

[quhno]

quhno last edited by

Originally posted by rafaelluik:

Three. Use a bookmarks manager extension.

Four: Use O 12 until the Blink/NewUI problems are sorted out.
Five: Use a browser that works like you want. The bookmarks manager for Firefox works in a side panel, like the one in Internet Explorer (which became a really good browser in its 11th incarnation - having said that, I now go washing my mouth with soap), I really wonder if we will see a real side panel again in Opera.

[A Former User]

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Originally posted by febonet:

I start to read in the forums. Hundreds of page on the issue. I try some of them. Cannot get through. I dedicated about 30 min to understand how to import and VISUALIZE a toolbar with links in Opera but I was unsuccessful. That's it. I cannot spend more than 30 minutes to solve the silliest issue.

It really should be a lot easier, or at least properly documented in the Help file. If not for all these rant threads on the forums, it would be easy to find help here. Unfortunately, the moderators got overwhelmed by the number of rants threads, and stopped deleting them, so it's hard to find useful information amidst all the noise. The ranters don't realise that they're shooting themselves in the foot instead of politely asking for help.

I consider myself expert in using software, but I also need help sometimes to work things out. No one should be called stupid for not being able to figure this out for themselves within 30 minutes, though they rightly deserve to be called stupid if they rant like the OP instead of just asking for help from others, when they fail to work it out.

First, you have to enable the Quick Access bar by typing "opera:flags" in the URL field, then you have to restart Opera and enable the Quick Access bar in Settings.

Then, if you installed Opera 18 and if Opera 12 or earlier was previously installed not using the USB installation option, you should find that the Bookmarks Importer is enabled, and you should find your Bookmarks Bar bookmarks on your Quick Access Bar. Then you can use the Bookmarks Importer to “import” your already imported bookmarks to either the Speed Dial or the Quick Access Bar.

If you used the USB installation option, you have to use a command line to import your settings from Opera Presto to Opera Blink:

"<Full Path to Opera 18>\launcher.exe" --presto-small-prefs-dir="<Full path to old Opera>\profile"

Having done this, the Quick Access Bar is perfectly usable in Opera 18, and the only serious downside is that it wastes a few vertical pixels. I use the Bookmarks Bar now in Opera 11.64 in preference to the Panels, but I have a button to show/hide it easily.

Many other issues in Opera 18 make it unusable for me, but the lack of a bookmarks menu, panel, or manager is not one of them.

[Deleted User]

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Originally posted by leushino:

I don't mean to be rude or offensive but anyone who's been at computers for that length of time should have been able to figure out the relatively simply means of creating folders on the QAB and then folders within those folders. I've been at it for about half his time, I am NOT an expert in software (although my son is) and I was able to figure this out within a few minutes. Granted, it took some time to create my folders but once up and running everything was fine.

"Granted, it took some time" even though it's "relatively simple." That's AppleSpeak: "it's incredibly intuitive (once you figure out how to do it)."

Originally posted by leushino:

Now, if you're looking for a full-fledged bookmarks manager, you won't find one .... YET. And if that doesn't suit you then you have two options. Would you like me to spell them out for you? (probably not but)

1. Stick with a Presto version UNTIL the Blink version does what you require

OR

2. Go find another browser and be happy

Actually, I found the bookmark extension very adequate. Since you don't define "full-fledged," it's not clear your expectations are.

Let me translate for others, like me, who aren't fanboys: "Presto" means v12, and "Blink" means v18. (Do I have that right?) I have moved on to Chrome, and as a gesture of my happiness, will cease whining about this crap app, and reading the aggressive and defensive posts of the unhappy people who feel they have to defend it.

Opera sucks. Why not admit it?

[blackbird71]

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Originally posted by priehl:

... Let me translate for others, like me, who aren't fanboys: "Presto" means v12, and "Blink" means v18. (Do I have that right?)...

More or less. But, technically, Presto means all Opera versions 7.0 to 12.xx, inclusive; Blink means Opera versions 15 and above. Versions 13 and 14 were essentially skipped in terms of desktop Opera. The terms Presto and Blink refer to the browser's "rendering engine" (engine=codebase) that converts or "renders" website HTML code into intelligible data that can be thrown up on a screen. Browsers may also contain other kinds of engines (JavaScript, user-interface, etc), but the main distinctive terminology for browsers is the rendering engine foundation upon which they're built... hence Blink Opera or Presto Opera or Webkit Chrome or Trident IE.

[Deleted User]

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Originally posted by priehl:

"Granted, it took some time" even though it's "relatively simple." That's AppleSpeak: "it's incredibly intuitive (once you figure out how to do it)."
I have moved on to Chrome, and as a gesture of my happiness, will cease whining about this crap app, and reading the aggressive and defensive posts of the unhappy people who feel they have to defend it.

Opera sucks. Why not admit it?

A couple of things. First off, I was exasperated and had no right to suggest you were not very bright. Please forgive that lapse of civility on my part; it's inexcusable. Secondly, you have to appreciate that rants (some downright nasty) have been going on here for months now on a daily basis and sometimes rather nasty emails from some disgruntled members actually making threats. It's easy to become impatient when one sees the same things repeated day after day, week after week, month after month, particularly when many of these issues have long since been resolved and given the fact that Opera is not going to change its direction. No one was forced to adopt the new browser. Opera continues to offer security fixes for the Presto version and users can remain with v.11 or 12 for however long they like. In addition, if Opera simply doesn't work for you anymore and you're happy with Firefox or Chrome then more power to you. I'm actually happy that you've found a browser that will suit your needs. After all, isn't that what this is all about? There should be no need for us to defend Opera nor should there be any need for members to attack it. It is a free browser which either meets our needs or doesn't and that's really the long and short of it. Good luck to you.

[cicerosc]

cicerosc last edited by

I too have been an Opera user for many years. Just today upgraded to 18 and came here looking for bookmark help.

Wow.

There is no way I can use Opera now so I will move on to something else. But that pales in comparison to my curiosity. I am simply fascinated by what must be going on behind the scenes here to justify this behavior at Opera. Does anyone have any links to outside articles explaining this? This is far worse than the Yahoo mail redesign fiasco, and that's all over the internet.

If anyone has any background links or data it would be fascinating to read.

thanks

[Deleted User]

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Why not move your membership over to Vivaldi.net? In fact, in one of the forum threads being discussed (and started by the former founder of Opera), bookmarks are being discussed. You might find it very interesting.

[jmiichell]

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Cicero,

Tell me....what help do you want with bookmarks?

They work very well in Opera 18 and above. What is the problem that I, or any of the more expert users of Opera who post on here, can help you with?

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Originally posted by CICEROSC:

f anyone has any background links or data it would be fascinating to read.

Their user surveys told them “that more than 90% of our users never actually added a single bookmark to the ones shipped with Opera.”

[stevenjcee]

stevenjcee last edited by

Originally posted by Pesala:

Their user surveys told them “that more than 90% of our users never actually added a single bookmark to the ones shipped with Opera.”

And the Billboard record charts, once they introduced soundscan, which scanned every one sold, instead of basing their rankings on "surveys", they found most of their charts were all wrong. To believe that 90% of Opera's users never add a single bookmark, is so ridiculous I can't even write this without grinning. Honestly, really? You can't tell from just a "survey" of all the posts on this forum, that that is an absurd statement? Do you not ever add a bookmark, no, as I bet none of even the "experts" here could say yes to.....

But one thing that has been missing in all these "discussions", is what about those of us who had Opera 16, only to find all the bookmarks we had in Opera, gone, with 17, or maybe it was 15 and then gone with 16, I can't keep track, too many numbers in my life already. All I see are workarounds if you want to import them from 12 or below, or from Chrome, etc...

And does anyone honestly know if the developers are actually intending to bring back some sort of bookmark manager along the lines of what used to be, or what every other browser employs?

[unicorn101]

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Having to turn something on, then having it take up screen space instead is a stupid way to have to workaround this ridiculous situation.
So far this is my biggest gripe with Opera. Maybe if it were as fast as it claims, but it's still just middle of the pack. I'm starting to see my dislike of Chrome fade as I use Opera more, especially as it's based on Chromium.
I don't remember who called Opera a major browser alternative to IE, but they are out of touch with reality. There are a lot of people who have never heard of Opera. Many more know Firefox and Chrome. Even on mobile devices I'm willing to bet that Dolphin is as known as Opera.
I've been using Opera since I want to say version 4. The last three versions you had to pay for. Four, five, and six? I don't remember the versions. Huge, and noticeable improvements over IE and Firefox. Not not very noticeable at all, other than the pain in the ass it is to save webpages in something like bookmarks. Some things are industry standards for a reason... they work, and they work well. This is not an improvement in speed, efficiency, or anything else.

[cicerosc]

cicerosc last edited by

I'm sorry there is so much antagonism here. In a world of NSA spying and lack of privacy, the world needs alternative browsers from sources that can be trusted. If I were going to stay with Opera I would have to have some level of confidence in what is going on "corporately," and as many comments hear have said, that is pretty hard to do under the current situation. So what I meant is, is there some place somewhere that discusses what has happened and I why I should retain any confidence in Opera's future?

[Deleted User]

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Originally posted by CICEROSC:

So what I meant is, is there some place somewhere that discusses what has happened and I why I should retain any confidence in Opera's future?

Probably not. Besides, it would simply present one "version of the truth" whatever that might be. My advice is simply this: stay and make use of either the older Presto version until it no longer serves you OR stay and adapt to the new Blink version, adopting some of the extensions and workarounds that have been provided OR leave. Yes, leave is definitely an option and if you are that dissatisfied (i.e. Steven Cree) with not only the browser but the company as well, then just go away and find a browser and a company in whom you will be content. But remaining here and complaining and whining day after day does no one any good. What is the point? Do you think Opera is going to listen at this stage? Hardly. The Presto team is essentially gone - they've "left the house" as it were so don't expect a return to Presto. Opera has retooled and largely rewritten the browser building upon the Blink rendering engine. They will add new features over time (they've promised us that) so we either wait for that to materialize OR we leave.

[cicerosc]

cicerosc last edited by

So is there a "fork" or new platform to which the old team has migrated?

[Deleted User]

Deleted User last edited by

Originally posted by CICEROSC:

So is there a "fork" or new platform to which the old team has migrated?

Many in the "old team" are gone. They were laid off and have taken jobs elsewhere. Much of the original Presto team is no more.

[hallmarkrealtygp]

hallmarkrealtygp last edited by

I have had several browsers on all my computer Desktop as backup to Firefox. In the last 12 months, I have had problems with Firefox so I went looking for a browser that my computers could have less issues. I updated all my computers to the current edition of Opera and also went through the "Bookmark" drill and found it so very user unfriendly that I am going to see what other options on other browsers are available. I liked Opera at one time and I hope you resolve your user interface issues. There is plenty of room out here for a good, fast, conflict free browser. Best of luck to the Opera team making your browser user friendly again.

[den1]

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ok, i've searched but didn't find, so i'll ask here. how exactly do i import my bookmarks to the quick access bar? i've enabled it, but not found options to import to it.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User last edited by

Originally posted by hallmarkrealtygp:

I have had several browsers on all my computer Desktop as backup to Firefox. In the last 12 months, I have had problems with Firefox so I went looking for a browser that my computers could have less issues. I updated all my computers to the current edition of Opera and also went through the "Bookmark" drill and found it so very user unfriendly that I am going to see what other options on other browsers are available. I liked Opera at one time and I hope you resolve your user interface issues. There is plenty of room out here for a good, fast, conflict free browser. Best of luck to the Opera team making your browser user friendly again.

Oh I don't know. It seems pretty user friendly to me. Granted, I use both v.12.16 and v.18 and find both very easy to use so I'm not sure what exactly your issue is. You mentioned that it "WAS" once user friendly and yet you were a Firefox user. Why would you use FF is Opera was once a user friendly browser? Oh well... each to his own I guess. Since Opera 18 isn't user friendly and Opera 12 no longer works for you and you have had issues with Firefox, try Chrome. :whistle:

[Deleted User]

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Originally posted by den1:

ok, i've searched but didn't find, so i'll ask here. how exactly do i import my bookmarks to the quick access bar? i've enabled it, but not found options to import to it.

Come on... you didn't really search did you. I just typed bookmark importer into the Search field and came up with dozens of threads regarding that very issue. In fact, the first thread contains the answer given by Pesala. Try it.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Originally posted by den1:

ok, i've searched but didn't find

It seems that you didn't even read this thread. I answered this yet again not far above your own post.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Then you can use the Bookmarks Importer to “import” your already imported bookmarks to either the Speed Dial or the Quick Access Bar.