Where are the bookmarks in Opera 18?
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cicerosc last edited by
I too have been an Opera user for many years. Just today upgraded to 18 and came here looking for bookmark help.
Wow.
There is no way I can use Opera now so I will move on to something else. But that pales in comparison to my curiosity. I am simply fascinated by what must be going on behind the scenes here to justify this behavior at Opera. Does anyone have any links to outside articles explaining this? This is far worse than the Yahoo mail redesign fiasco, and that's all over the internet.
If anyone has any background links or data it would be fascinating to read.
thanks
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Deleted User last edited by
Why not move your membership over to Vivaldi.net? In fact, in one of the forum threads being discussed (and started by the former founder of Opera), bookmarks are being discussed. You might find it very interesting.
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jmiichell last edited by
Cicero,
Tell me....what help do you want with bookmarks?
They work very well in Opera 18 and above. What is the problem that I, or any of the more expert users of Opera who post on here, can help you with?
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by CICEROSC:
f anyone has any background links or data it would be fascinating to read.
Their user surveys told them “that more than 90% of our users never actually added a single bookmark to the ones shipped with Opera.”
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stevenjcee last edited byOriginally posted by Pesala:
Their user surveys told them “that more than 90% of our users never actually added a single bookmark to the ones shipped with Opera.”
And the Billboard record charts, once they introduced soundscan, which scanned every one sold, instead of basing their rankings on "surveys", they found most of their charts were all wrong. To believe that 90% of Opera's users never add a single bookmark, is so ridiculous I can't even write this without grinning. Honestly, really? You can't tell from just a "survey" of all the posts on this forum, that that is an absurd statement? Do you not ever add a bookmark, no, as I bet none of even the "experts" here could say yes to.....
But one thing that has been missing in all these "discussions", is what about those of us who had Opera 16, only to find all the bookmarks we had in Opera, gone, with 17, or maybe it was 15 and then gone with 16, I can't keep track, too many numbers in my life already. All I see are workarounds if you want to import them from 12 or below, or from Chrome, etc...
And does anyone honestly know if the developers are actually intending to bring back some sort of bookmark manager along the lines of what used to be, or what every other browser employs?
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unicorn101 last edited by
Having to turn something on, then having it take up screen space instead is a stupid way to have to workaround this ridiculous situation.
So far this is my biggest gripe with Opera. Maybe if it were as fast as it claims, but it's still just middle of the pack. I'm starting to see my dislike of Chrome fade as I use Opera more, especially as it's based on Chromium.
I don't remember who called Opera a major browser alternative to IE, but they are out of touch with reality. There are a lot of people who have never heard of Opera. Many more know Firefox and Chrome. Even on mobile devices I'm willing to bet that Dolphin is as known as Opera.
I've been using Opera since I want to say version 4. The last three versions you had to pay for. Four, five, and six? I don't remember the versions. Huge, and noticeable improvements over IE and Firefox. Not not very noticeable at all, other than the pain in the ass it is to save webpages in something like bookmarks. Some things are industry standards for a reason... they work, and they work well. This is not an improvement in speed, efficiency, or anything else. -
cicerosc last edited by
I'm sorry there is so much antagonism here. In a world of NSA spying and lack of privacy, the world needs alternative browsers from sources that can be trusted. If I were going to stay with Opera I would have to have some level of confidence in what is going on "corporately," and as many comments hear have said, that is pretty hard to do under the current situation. So what I meant is, is there some place somewhere that discusses what has happened and I why I should retain any confidence in Opera's future?
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by CICEROSC:
So what I meant is, is there some place somewhere that discusses what has happened and I why I should retain any confidence in Opera's future?
Probably not. Besides, it would simply present one "version of the truth" whatever that might be. My advice is simply this: stay and make use of either the older Presto version until it no longer serves you OR stay and adapt to the new Blink version, adopting some of the extensions and workarounds that have been provided OR leave. Yes, leave is definitely an option and if you are that dissatisfied (i.e. Steven Cree) with not only the browser but the company as well, then just go away and find a browser and a company in whom you will be content. But remaining here and complaining and whining day after day does no one any good. What is the point? Do you think Opera is going to listen at this stage? Hardly. The Presto team is essentially gone - they've "left the house" as it were so don't expect a return to Presto. Opera has retooled and largely rewritten the browser building upon the Blink rendering engine. They will add new features over time (they've promised us that) so we either wait for that to materialize OR we leave.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by CICEROSC:
So is there a "fork" or new platform to which the old team has migrated?
Many in the "old team" are gone. They were laid off and have taken jobs elsewhere. Much of the original Presto team is no more.
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hallmarkrealtygp last edited by
I have had several browsers on all my computer Desktop as backup to Firefox. In the last 12 months, I have had problems with Firefox so I went looking for a browser that my computers could have less issues. I updated all my computers to the current edition of Opera and also went through the "Bookmark" drill and found it so very user unfriendly that I am going to see what other options on other browsers are available. I liked Opera at one time and I hope you resolve your user interface issues. There is plenty of room out here for a good, fast, conflict free browser. Best of luck to the Opera team making your browser user friendly again.
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den1 last edited by
ok, i've searched but didn't find, so i'll ask here. how exactly do i import my bookmarks to the quick access bar? i've enabled it, but not found options to import to it.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by hallmarkrealtygp:
I have had several browsers on all my computer Desktop as backup to Firefox. In the last 12 months, I have had problems with Firefox so I went looking for a browser that my computers could have less issues. I updated all my computers to the current edition of Opera and also went through the "Bookmark" drill and found it so very user unfriendly that I am going to see what other options on other browsers are available. I liked Opera at one time and I hope you resolve your user interface issues. There is plenty of room out here for a good, fast, conflict free browser. Best of luck to the Opera team making your browser user friendly again.
Oh I don't know. It seems pretty user friendly to me. Granted, I use both v.12.16 and v.18 and find both very easy to use so I'm not sure what exactly your issue is. You mentioned that it "WAS" once user friendly and yet you were a Firefox user. Why would you use FF is Opera was once a user friendly browser? Oh well... each to his own I guess. Since Opera 18 isn't user friendly and Opera 12 no longer works for you and you have had issues with Firefox, try Chrome. :whistle:
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by den1:
ok, i've searched but didn't find, so i'll ask here. how exactly do i import my bookmarks to the quick access bar? i've enabled it, but not found options to import to it.
Come on... you didn't really search did you. I just typed bookmark importer into the Search field and came up with dozens of threads regarding that very issue. In fact, the first thread contains the answer given by Pesala. Try it. -
A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by den1:
ok, i've searched but didn't find
It seems that you didn't even read this thread. I answered this yet again not far above your own post.
Originally posted by Pesala:
Then you can use the Bookmarks Importer to “import” your already imported bookmarks to either the Speed Dial or the Quick Access Bar.
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den1 last edited by
sorry. i should have specified if there was an easier way to import bookmarks. there should be no need to use the command line interface just to get basic functionality out of a browser.
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Deleted User last edited by
I've just installed opera 18 alongside opera 12 and I'm trying to do a careful migration. (Although it appears that opera is leaving behind the features I use the most - cascading tabs, notes, bookmark sidebar - I'm hoping it will still be a decent browser; not that there is much choice - I refuse to use IE or chrome, and I only use firefox for things that opera doesn't handle - maybe with the chrome engine, firefox won't be necessary?) A few things I've noticed:
- Since I'm running both versions, each version wants to set the default browser. (a bit of ping pong - enough already :rolleyes: )
- opera 18 keeps wanting to download the mail client app. This automatic download didn't start until after I downloaded it and imported my email from opera 12; now when I start opera 18, it tries to download it again.
- When I migrated my email to the email client, opera quietly dumped my notes into an html file. (I thought I saw something indicating you had to do this explicitly.) Copy-to-notes was such a useful feature; it seems clear that they aren't going to bother with it anymore.
- I haven't imported my bookmarks into opera 18 yet. It appears that opera 18 bookmarks don't have descriptions (when you edit a bookmark, it only provides name and url fields). I made heavy use of the bookmark description field. I'm guessing that existing bookmark descriptions don't make it through the migration. (I'm waiting a while before I try importing bookmarks.)Because of the lack of a bookmark sidebar and editable bookmark descriptions, I may end up keeping around opera 12 as a bookmark editor and notes tool. Opera was an integrated toolset; I use opera in both work and non-work environments, and it's disappointing to see them drop features that I have depended on.
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blackbird71 last edited byOriginally posted by kirk1017:
... (I'm waiting a while before I try importing bookmarks.) ...
I would concur in that. Opera is not done evolving its bookmarks system (as well as some other features), and until it has at least reached the point of being able to import them upon demand from several browser brands directly and simply, it's not quite ready for prime time. But, hopefully, that time will come... perhaps indirectly announced by Opera's notifying users that Opera 12 has finally been officially rendered "unsupported"... and perhaps whereupon auto-update in 12 is activated to bump users to whatever New Opera version is current at that time.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
Opera's notifying users that Opera 12 has finally been officially rendered "unsupported"...
I assume/hope that won't happen until they've got a Linux version out.
