Where are the bookmarks in Opera 18?
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stevenjcee last edited byI agree rilef, this is currently a big mess. The directions are difficult to find, complicated, Opera even warns anything could happen, and it's ridiculous there is just not some simple way to create & store bookmarks. I also wonder where the hundreds of bookmarks I had in Opera previously are, and if they can be "re-imported" back, if there was an importer, that imported bookmarks...
Not being a full on computer geek, I am not willing to jump through a whole lot of complicated, confusing hoops, potentially harmful to other aspects, especially when there's not even unanimous agreement as to how effective a workaround it actually is. By removing many of the most basic functions of a browser, including this one, without communicating why & what is happening, and when changes will be coming, and if they'll be returned, the developers may be left with few users left to make use of their efforts.... -
Deleted User last edited by
It's been that lack of communication from the get-go that has been one of the major disappointments as well as the Achilles heel of the new browser. Very unfortunate that even now, after months of complaint threads, we still have relatively little communication regarding these issues. I'm at a loss to explain it.
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stevenjcee last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Simple solutions are often the best — at least until something better is available.
Users who have synchronised Opera can simply bookmark this page to find their bookmarks using any browser without needing to import them anywhere.
Well, that looks like it could be a "simple solution", if it actually explained how, instead of only "for now, you can use this web interface to access your bookmarks and other data," which basically, tells me nothing. So, HOW do you use this web interface, exactly?
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stevenjcee last edited by
Originally posted by rilef:
Originally posted by StevenCee:
I agree ... this is currently a big mess.
I did not say that this is a mess, big or otherwise. To the contrary, I don't see a few proposed menu name changes and moving of menus as a big deal. Opera 18+ will work fine, with or without these changes. But, the current menu names and structure should be changed, for no other reason than to avoid user confusion.
Originally posted by StevenCee:
I also wonder where the hundreds of bookmarks I had in Opera previously are, and if they can be "re-imported" back, if there was an importer, that imported bookmarks...
If you don't have Chrome installed, import your Opera 12 bookmarks, as HTML, into Chrome Portable. Then copy the Chrome Portable bookmark files ("Bookmarks" and "Favicons" and "Favicons-journal") from the Chrome Portable user profile folder to the Opera 18 user profile folder. If you already have Chrome installed, just copy the Chrome bookmark files into Opera. Your bookmarks are now "re-imported".
You also can create a portable/USB version of Opera 18+. Then import your bookmarks into this USB version of Opera, using the command line, as described here. Be sure not to use your regular version of Opera 18+ for this, since your existing Opera 18+ profile will absolutely be destroyed. Instead, use a separate, USB version of Opera. Then copy the bookmark files from the USB version of Opera 18+, and overwrite these same files in your regular version of Opera 18+. And, of course, you should backup, by making copies beforehand, of all your bookmark files in your regular version.
Well, it seems like a mess, to me, who for over 20 years, never had to jump through lots of technical hoops just to store, use, & create bookmarks, in any previous browser. I do have Chrome, and Firefox, & Safari, and had many bookmarks in whatever the last version of Opera that allowed them was. Using a browser should be a simple, pain-free means to navigate the internet, not something that occupies many waking hours, tweaking, and adjusting, and re-arranging everything, every time a new version is released. If Opera is going to become a "geek-only" vehicle, then users like myself will just give up, and leave it to you pros...
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by StevenCee:
So, HOW do you use this web interface, exactly?
Much the same as you use the Bookmarks Panel. Open a folder, and click a bookmark link.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by StevenCee:
Well, it seems like a mess, to me, who for over 20 years, never had to jump through lots of technical hoops just to store, use, & create bookmarks, in any previous browser. I do have Chrome, and Firefox, & Safari, and had many bookmarks in whatever the last version of Opera that allowed them was. Using a browser should be a simple, pain-free means to navigate the internet, not something that occupies many waking hours, tweaking, and adjusting, and re-arranging everything, every time a new version is released. If Opera is going to become a "geek-only" vehicle, then users like myself will just give up, and leave it to you pros...
Hi Steven. The irony is that Opera Presto was viewed as the geeks' browser and Opera Blink is looked upon as a browser sorely lacking in features and configurability (to coin a word). The "new" browser is in a state of development and lacking many of the features you have come to depend upon so for the time being, it's probably better for you to stick with v.12.16 but keep an eye on the new browser and even run a separate installation of it and watch it grow. I agree with you that a browser should be relatively pain-free and that is what the new browser is hoped to become but the truth is, they rushed the new version out the door knowing it lacked many features that would ultimately cause a fair amount of confusion among users. It's possible to bookmark your favorite sites by using the Quick Access Bar. As for those sites you use on a regular basis, you might want to assign them to the Speed Dial. Stash is really meant for those sites you want to "read later" so to speak but not necessarily permanently bookmark. If you are having trouble setting up the QAB, just ask. Pesala has some posts in which he shows graphically how it can be done and if he doesn't have time to respond, I'll try and help.
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mrurban3 last edited by
I gotta weigh in here. Been using Opera for years, and quite happy with it. Now on 12.18. I was kinda curious when I saw references to v16 or v15 or whatever, but when prompted by Opera to upgrade I did so - it never got me off the "12" track. Updated several times this year - 2013.
A web print issue sent me to the "current" version, which turned out to be 18.0.+++. Installed it. Unlike every other Opera version update/install, it didn't "overwrite and update," but installed as a second instance of Opera. Instantly, no Bookmarks. And the sparse look of Chrome, which I'd already have if I wanted it. No visible home page. No obvious place for clicking on Settings - even 12.18 has buried some of that stuff, to my unhappiness. I already spend enough time playing "puzzles" on computers - how do I do this or that - I don't need to add my browser to that list.
I promptly uninstalled it - didn't want the hassles of learning a program that has been mostly visually intuitive in the past. No ax to grind. Gave it a two minute trial and didn't at all like what I found. If I wanted changing "locations+" WITH NO EXPLANATION OF THE CHANGES, I'd do Microsoft programs. (Oh yeah, with every OS change - changes with no critical documentation provided to users.)
Then my "loyalty" to the program made me come here. What have I missed? Where were the dang bookmarks? And I find that Opera made huge changes with no "upfront" explanation to users. No wonder "we" are upset! It like Microsoft Word introducing the Ribbon with no info - suddenly you can't even do what you used to do. Admittedly, some users wrote "poorly." But for Opera moderators to get snippy with them for not finding new, unintuitive, unfamiliar ways to do "old" things that were simpler is not going to win friends nor users.
If you are going to radically change the way to do things, you really ought to plan on explaining it and making it easy to change. It appears Opera has not done that. Having to come to a Forum or do detailed, repeated searches for an "old, simple" task is not what a typical user expects.
It's good that old versions are still working, and that there are alternatives.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by mrurban3:
Admittedly, some users wrote "poorly." But for Opera moderators to get snippy with them for not finding new, unintuitive, unfamiliar ways to do "old" things that were simpler is not going to win friends nor users.
I don't see a single comment from a moderator in this entire thread, let alone a snippy one. If the moderators had got a lot more snippy by closing all of these rant threads at once, it might be easier to find useful information on importing bookmarks, etc.
Yes, for the foreseeable future there is no alternative but to use an old version. Opera 20 developer version is still not even close to being a viable choice yet, let alone Opera 18 final.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by rilef:
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Just another useless rant. If they had closed these rant threads long ago, we would be able to find the wood amidst a few trees instead of searching the entire forest.
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stevenjcee last edited by
Originally posted by rilef:
..You shouldn't have to search among even a few trees, much less an entire forest, to find out how to import bookmarks. This is true especially when your search is as likely to come up with completely bad information, as good. You do not have to do such a search with any other browser on the planet. And, you should not have to do such a search with Opera.
Exactly!! And thank you mrurban for your several, well-written posts, as they sum up the deal as it is...
And Pesala says: "I don't see a single comment from a moderator in this entire thread, let alone a snippy one. If the moderators had got a lot more snippy by closing all of these rant threads at once, it might be easier to find useful information on importing bookmarks, etc.
Yes, for the foreseeable future there is no alternative but to use an old version. Opera 20 developer version is still not even close to being a viable choice yet, let alone Opera 18 final."
If you honestly don't think there've been many "snippy comments" from moderators, then you are blind, or don't even read your own posts.... Plus, to say today, six months after a "return of bookmarks" was said to be a "top priority", and would be "back in version 18", that for the "foreseeable future there's no alternative" only underscores why you see the level of dismay, frustration, and disappointment, in so many of the posts, you like to call "rants". Everything rilef said is true & makes absolute sense, a browser should not require a constantly shifting, hit & miss, package of complicated workarounds & jumping through hoops, to just do the simple things all browsers, including Opera, have done for decades!
And to cop an attitude about that frustration, instead of realizing why it's there, is not helpful nor productive in the least.... And I'd advise you to go back & read your past comments, many snippy, and a great many full of false information, like saying bookmarks are back, you can just use this or that, or now this & that, and how dumb we all are for not just using this bar or this terminal workaround, etc.... yet, today, you now admit BOOKMARKS JUST DO NOT WORK IN OPERA 18! Well, thank you, but we've been telling you that for months.......
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A Former User last edited by
Bookmarks work fine in Opera 18, but there are many other reasons for not using it yet.
If you can see a single post or edit by a moderator in this thread, please provide a link to it.
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Deleted User last edited by
I used opera from way way back, and I urged everyone I know to use it as well.
Some time back I became a manager for an IT company, and with this, ehem, power, came the decision to use Opera as the secondary browser for the company (we *could* never forsake IE). Just doing my share to promote the browser.
The latest update, however, is just way too bizarre and frustrating that ive decided not to support the product anymore.
To the opera team, its been a privilege using the best browser ever! You were so far ahead of your peers and in some aspects you still are.
I feel Opera is not just a part, but was a pillar in the history of internet browsing. Along the same veins with Winamp, Napster, etc.
I'm sorry it has come to this, but goodbye.
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soundinhell last edited by
Opera has become the worst browser and I have tried them all.
Where do I import my Opera bookmarks backup?
Why no bookmarks in this horrible updated browser?
Where's the quick bookmark bar that was on top of where you type the website urls?They must have been totally drunk when removing these essential features. Speed Dial is useless like it always was.
Some may say this is whining but its not. Things such as Bookmarks shouldn't be removed from a browser.
After using it for almost 5 years I must say goodbye Opera, you won't be missed after this.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Instead of importing 4,000 bookmarks to Speed Dial, import them to the Quick Access Bar (aka Bookmarks Bar).
Unfortunately, the Quick Access Bar/Bookmarks Bar appears to be an undocumented feature. At least in the Opera help site, which loops back on itself, and never actually allows access to help searches.
1) "Help is just a click away. Select your product:" (Opera for computers in my case)
2) Help for computers: Help Files
3) Search help (anything you want). Enter.
1) "Help is just a click away. Select your product:"
...While people at Google do such a good job at creating a gratifying UX, Opera seems to be intent on the opposite. Only 10% of users use bookmarks—might those be the ones we'd call "power users?" Throw them under the bus! This is why I abandoned Opera years ago after being an early advocate (even paid for the thing).
I just reinstalled it after reading a reco for free Mac apps, and couldn't agree with the OP more. I can't criticize people for being proselytizers for Opera, but I do think I understand better why users of Opera accounted for a whopping 1.2% (Hey, more than Netscape!) of my company's web site visitors last month.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by LeoCG:
Originally posted by priehl:
Unfortunately, the Quick Access Bar/Bookmarks Bar appears to be an undocumented feature.
Because it's experimental yet and not enabled by default on the Stable version.
I appreciate this explanation, but still: ROFLMAO...the year is 2014 and a bookmarks bar has to be 'experimental'-- because it's such a new concept?
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Deleted User last edited by
It may be 2014 but I don't think you fully understand the incredible amount of work to rewrite a browser from scratch. THAT is the reason many features are still experimental.
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Deleted User last edited by
Whatever. I'll take the developers' word for it. They're rewriting the Blink browser from scratch. You choose to believe whatever you like. Bottom line: no one cares what either of us believe anyway.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
Bottom line: no one cares what either of us believe anyway.
It certainly appears that way. For a company whose browser market share is basically a rounding error, you'd think there would be some concern for users. I've provided feedback to developers of several miniscule apps, and received grateful replies, and several of my suggestions have been implemented in the next release.
Opera? Under the bus with you, whiner!
