Is the new Opera 20 still garbage or have they implemented the 12.16 features again?

  • Is it worth going back to Opera again after they decided to betray the user base and instead go for quick money with the Chrome engine?

    Have they managed to make it into anything even remotely similar to 12.16? Is there any reason to use Opera over Chrome, Firefox, IE or Maxthon?

    Thanks in advance,

    --An old Opera user who abandoned the sinking ship

  • Keep yourself informed instead of starting inflammatory threads. The new Opera is great. The old Opera was increasingly problematic. If you want you can continue to use the old Opera since security updates are still be applied. In the meantime, stop trying to stir up trouble.

  • Treating your comment as serious and not just trolling, the answer is "it depends". It depends on what features from 12.16 you use.

    Personally, I think 20 is a good browser apart from one thing, the lack of proper bookmarks. The bookmarks bar in 20 can't handle my several thousand bookmarks, although it looks like it could probably handle several hundred. If you don't have many bookmarks and you don't use 12.16 features like mail then it might be worth giving it a try.

    Luckily 20 does install side-by-side with 12.16 so I'm running both. More and more I find I'm using 20 for day to day browsing since 12.16 is having increasing trouble rendering pages (eg try Yahoo Mail with 12.16). However, I still need 12.16 for my bookmarks collection. It's only the lack of bookmarks that is keeping me from switching completely over to 20.

  • Very liked in Opera that there could copy the link as text! There are many functions that were only in Opera. Did Opera browser is like no other! Yes, now it's faster than 12,16 but now its functionality is not different from other alternative browsers. That does not stop on the choice of the Opera!

  • I would say, still garbage but its getting there slowly.

  • Wait... they've gone through five version numbers and they still haven't done bookmarks properly? Oy vey.

  • It's getting better but it is still missing a lot of the functionality that used to make Opera great. It's just an average browser now.

  • julianmolin

    "Is there any reason to use Opera over Chrome, Firefox, IE or Maxthon?"

    over chrome, yes and no. opera lacks the privacy concerns associated with chrome. and opera has a better updater then chrome. and opera doesn't add startup items to slow down your boot, like chrome does. inversely, chrome has more to offer in their store and a built in sandbox for security. and chrome clones don't have an operational NativeClient (NaCl).

    maxthon is developed in a communist country, which would make google privacy concerns seem trivial. here we worry about google watching our preferences to focus advertising towards us. there, if they baidu search for organizing a democracy rally' orhome church meeting', they could get a visit from the police:(

  • I have Opera 20 and no bookmarks bar. Any suggestions?

  • I have found Bookmark Buddy to supersede the need for a bookmark bar/organizer in any one browser. It can be used in portable mode so that all your bookmarks can go with you on a key, and work with any browser: http://www.bookmarkbuddy.net/index.php
    I've been using it for about 8 years now, and don't even bother storing bookmarks in any of the browsers I use, except for a few links I use daily that get stuck on the personal bar. I'm surprised there are not more products like this on the market, it simplifies a great deal.

  • I have Opera 20 and no bookmarks bar. Any suggestions?

    Enable it on opera:flags and then in Settings.

  • It's not necessary to use opera:flags now. Just go into Settings and enable it there.

  • I went backwards from Opera 18 to Opera 12.16.

    Have been pleased with it, especially the notes, bookmarks and speed dial synchronisation with Opera Link.

    Will stick with Opera 12.16 until a better solution comes along.

    Chrome and Firefox annoy me with constant download updates. As I use mobile broadband/wifi exclusively, such constant background downloads really become a problem.

    I thank julianmolan for starting this thread. It's valid!

  • opera lacks the privacy concerns associated with chrome

    Except that Opera contacts Google's DNS server on every reques you make, thus letting Google see and record every single web page you visit. How's that for a privacy concern? -They're doing this for money, of course. Opera is a free browser, but just like with all free products, the actual product is you.

    s it worth going back to Opera again after they decided to betray the user base and instead go for quick money with the Chrome engine?

    No, it's not. The new Opera is basically Chrome's crippled bastard-child. Mouse gestures are missing (can't open a link in a new tab, for example - a crucial gesture), and the rocker gestures are finicky to the point of being unuseable.

    I wouldn't say they decided to "go for quick money with the Chrome engine" though - more like, they decided to burn their house down. Judging by some of the comments here, Opera apologists make up the majority of their user base now.

    I have Opera 20 and no bookmarks bar. Any suggestions?

    Switch to Firefox, I guess.. That's my plan for now. Life without the glorious browser perfection that was Opera 12 will be extremely annoying, but since it's just crashing way too often on Mavericks, I guess I'll have to give up and abandon ship.

    Will stick with Opera 12.16 until a better solution comes along.

    The sad reality here is that a better solution just might not come along. The vast majority of people just lap up whatever shit they're fed, as evidenced by every browser other than Opera (until v12). I mean, how the hell is it 2014 and Opera still the only browser that ever had native mouse gestures?! Why can't people see what a massive productivity improvement they are?! .. It's because they're blind, and not in the habit of independent thinking.

    When Chrome came out, it had two features: 1) Renders web pages, 2) Is fast. -And hordes of nerds rushed into Google's open arms and sang Chrome's praises, apparently with just about zero requirements for a primary web browser. That's just insane, but that's what people are like. They have no clue.

  • The sad reality here is that some of the complainers and whiners from the old forum are still here whining and complaining as before. Look... if you want to stay with the older Presto version... STAY WITH IT. But recognize a few things: 1) it will become increasingly incompatible; 2) it will become, over time, increasingly insecure; 3) it is NOT going to be further developed in spite of your threats, complaints, bullying tactics and demeaning comments about the Opera Team; and 4) the source code will NOT be released since it is part of Opera's intellectual property.

    So, make a decision and move forward. Accept the decision that was made over a year ago. Opera is not going to reverse its course. The new browser is awesome and will only get better as new and some former features are added. Choose the new browser... stay with the old browser... choose another browser... but STOP already with the ridiculous complaints and whines.

  • I see leushino is still here, vigorously defending Chropera and demeaning those who recognize it for what it is; namely the slow demise of a once great browser.

  • opera lacks the privacy concerns associated with chrome

    Except that Opera contacts Google's DNS server on every reques you make, thus letting Google see and record every single web page you visit. How's that for a privacy concern? -They're doing this for money, of course. Opera is a free browser, but just like with all free products, the actual product is you.

    So what "free" DNS server should one trust in that regard, particularly when considering that the service has to pay their operating expenses somehow? How much do most people really know about what any DNS service does with the routing information they see?

    Will stick with Opera 12.16 until a better solution comes along.

    The sad reality here is that a better solution just might not come along. The vast majority of people just lap up whatever shit they're fed, as evidenced by every browser other than Opera (until v12). I mean, how the hell is it 2014 and Opera still the only browser that ever had native mouse gestures?! Why can't people see what a massive productivity improvement they are?! .. It's because they're blind, and not in the habit of independent thinking.

    Or it might just be they don't like mouse gestures. I've used opera for many years and can't abide gestures - in fact, I've gone out of my way to block "mouse flips" as well. I prefer not to have inadvertent mouse movements trigger unexpected actions, in Opera or anything else. The reality is that users don't all think alike on some issues, but many of us (myself at times included) tend to assume our thoughts and preferences are shared by most others, even though we may actually be in a decided minority.


    OS: Win 7-64 SP1 -- Web Browsers: Opera 12.14u, 11.52; Firefox 27; Qupzilla 1.4.2; IE8

  • Except that Opera contacts Google's DNS server on every reques you make

    I've never see any evidence of it happening here.

  • Or it might just be they don't like mouse gestures. I've used opera for many years and can't abide gestures - in fact, I've gone out of my way to block "mouse flips" as well. I prefer not to have inadvertent mouse movements trigger unexpected actions, in Opera or anything else. The reality is that users don't all think alike on some issues, but many of us (myself at times included) tend to assume our thoughts and preferences are shared by most others, even though we may actually be in a decided minority.

    OS: Win 7-64 SP1 -- Web Browsers: Opera 12.14u, 11.52; Firefox 27; Qupzilla 1.4.2; IE8

    I've always disabled mouse gestures, as well. With the exception of flip-forward/flip-backward. I use that so often, it's to the point of instinct. Regardless of the browser, my first impulse is to use the mouse keys to "flip-backward" to a previous page. Sometimes I remember before trying, other times I'll try and then remember, "oh, yeah, this isn't Opera". The rest of the gestures, however, I find annoying and intrusive. So I disable them. Then again, that's part of what made Opera v12 and earlier so great. One person could have their gestures, while another could get rid of them. Flexibility in the configuration of the browser was the best part.

  • ... that's part of what made Opera v12 and earlier so great. One person could have their gestures, while another could get rid of them. Flexibility in the configuration of the browser was the best part.

    And that's what I now find that I miss most in the newer Opera versions thus far, as well as in many other (but not all) browser flavors out there: practical and comprehensive configurability, which of course implies they have to contain useful things to configure in the first place. But then, maybe this is just another area where my thoughts aren't dominant in the marketplace any longer...


    OS: Win 7-64 SP1 -- Web Browsers: Opera 12.14u, 11.52; Firefox 27; Qupzilla 1.4.2; IE8

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