What is wrong with Opera?
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Deleted User last edited by
'Rawg..' Well, if it turns out 12.17 IS the end of that particular browser direction, it still works great for 111/113 of my needs, and, makes a dandy tool for accessing 'other' browsers. In fact, for a time I was using 12.17 and THEN '24' as the 'Open with' browser. That kinda went TU though, as I run Opera in a V/M and the key to flipping that on is the 'opera.exe' file. Turns out BOTH 12 and 24 have that file, so I could not easily open either without the other ALSO being V/M'ed. THAT led to my dedicated '24' period of time. I don't live at MACH 3, but my fuel supply is a lot closer to E than some, so I will probably just join you in 'watching'. Suspect the better method for that is to periodically download the Latest and Greatest and just see how it works....SNAFU
Giz
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vskoric last edited by
just updated from 12 to 24
everything is wrong, site preferences, wand....
this new browser should not be called Opera
can Opera Software give one good reason I should stick to it and to switch to one of mainstream browsers, feels like chrome theme
I liked Opera because its builtin features where enough for me so I did not need to install addons like for other browsers
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linuxmint7 last edited by
just updated from 12 to 24
Wrong, you either installed Opera 24 along side Opera 12, or remove Opera 12 and then installed Opera 24. There is no upgrade/update path from Opera (Presto) 12 to Opera (Blink) 24.
They both co-exist or you remove one or the other. One will not automatically install over or overwrite the other.
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Then go back to using Opera 12. [Shrugs]
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spynylcracka last edited by
The problem with Opera is it does not have the most basic functions, like restore previous session, import bookmarks, no home page, speed dial does not let you change the dial image, you can't even move the extension buttons. The omnibar is what I hate about Chrome and now it is in Opera. If Opera doesn't care about their longtime users (like me) and is going for new users then they are going to fail. I see no reason for anyone to even use this browser without even the most basic functions. New users are going to just go back to their old browser and longtime users are going to give up on Opera.
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spynylcracka last edited by
I don't want to continue where I left off every time! I should not have to make a special speed dial folder that is the stupidest thing I"ve ever heard of. Every browser out there has restore tabs or restore session. If you want people to use this browser at least have BASIC browser functions.
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A Former User last edited by admin
restore previous session
Present.
import bookmarks
Possible in more than 1 way.
speed dial does not let you change the dial image
Manually editing the db (not hard) is possible.
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spynylcracka last edited by
Wow, I have used Opera for years but this is the last straw. Offering workarounds to features that should be basic browser functions is so lame. A new user of Opera is not going to waste their time with this silly browser. I will just uninstall Opera and stick to Firefox and Chrome at least they both have basic browser functions and don't criticize their users for pointing out obvious flaws with their browser. Opera used to be a great browser now it's just a mess and the developers don't want to hear complaints so they just bash their users. You will not get very far with your attitude and your browser is going to be an epic failure. Good luck. Maybe I will try Opera in a year or two but right now it is not worth my time.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
I should not have to make a special speed dial folder that is the stupidest thing I"ve ever heard of.
Nothing so much different of Opera Presto except that on Presto you call the Session from a Menu.
Every browser out there has restore tabs
You mean closed tabs? If so Menu > Recently Closed.
or restore session
Only on FF i could see a "Restore Previous Session" option. There is nothing like this on Chrome or IE.
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spynylcracka last edited by
Internet Explorer: Tools>Reopen last browsing session
Firefox: History>Restore previous session
Chrome: Recent tabs>4 tabs or what ever your # of tabs were
Opera: Recently Closed is always empty when you open OperaI am not trying to be rude. I really loved using Opera over the years but now it is just changing so much that it is not even Opera anymore. You say you can import bookmarks but you can not at least not from another browser and that is the first thing a new user does is import their bookmarks. I really want to use Opera but it is going in the wrong direction. People want to be able to customize their browser to fit their needs. Customization is what made Opera great but that is gone. If Opera is going to be successful then it should have built in basic features that a new user doesn't have to go searching through forums to find.
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linuxmint7 last edited by
Customisation and basic features are two completely different things.
The ability to import (from other browsers) and manage bookmarks are gradually being added to Opera (see the answer to this question you posed, in another thread about Opera 25 Dev becoming stable).
As for opening previous sessions in Opera using the Speed dial (Start page), they work in pretty much the same way as other current browsers, but are displayed differently and do need some intervention from the user to actually save them in the first place.
As for Opera's ability to open closed tabs from the 'Recently closed' menu between browser sessions or a completely new session, that has never been possible, even in the old Presto version of Opera. The 'Recently closed' menu is always cleared on closing Opera.
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A Former User last edited by
the developers don't want to hear complaints so they just bash their users.
I don't see any developer doing that. Cut the BS.
Like linuxmint7 said a "restore previous session" command (bar the start-up setting) was never present in Opera 12 either. Customizing the Speed Dial thumbnails was never possible without third-party software or extension or manual edit of the files in the profile, either - and it's not available in other browsers.
You say you can import bookmarks but you can not at least not from another browser and that is the first thing a new user does is import their bookmarks.
Search for it in the web like "import bookmarks from x_browser site:forums.opera.com". It's possible.
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A Former User last edited by
Maybe they should've put something about such importing on opera://help or something...:left:
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
Internet Explorer: Tools>Reopen last browsing session
Well, you first need to enable the menu.
I think it is more useful on other browsers in which you can close the whole browser by mistake if you close the last tab.
hrome: Recent tabs>4 tabs or what ever your # of tabs
Here it's empty.
Btw, such feature would be useful fro what? Besides maybe in case of a crash, i really don't see anything for such feature to be considered basic or even top priority.
You say you can import bookmarks but you can not at least not from another browser and that is the first thing a new user does is import their bookmarks.
Afaik Opera imports from the default browser. Or will do it at least.
And talking about bookmarks, i think that it's more than the time to get rid of that 1990's bookmarking style and move something more dynamic.
People want to be able to customize their browser to fit their needs.
I think peolpe nowadays wants simplicity more than any other thing.
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horscht86 last edited by
All I ever hear is "they are planning to add <insert-feature-that-exists-in-12.17> in the future".
As a person that has been using and opera for I-can't-remember-how-long this is simply not satistfying. At this point I am pretty much done with Opera because the over 12 months old 12.17 is simply no longer usable on the web (lots of sites completely broken/unusable) and 15+ (24/25 currently) simply not being ready to replace. So for now I might as well switch top chrome. It's not a good browser, but it's the least horrible one.
Here's a few issues I have with the Opera 15+ releases that, unless the Opera team is going to fix these in the NEAR future (I am talking next release, they had ~10 releases to fix these by now) Opera has finally lost me. And they will loose a lot more of their old userbase, as these are complains I can hear (and by that I actually mean "read") quite often:
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Proper bookmarks support. I know 24 finally introduced bookmarks and 25 will introduce the long overdue bookmark manager, but there is still no proper way to actually access them appart from the stupid bookmark bar that takes valuable vertical screen estate away from browsing. Which brings me to my next point.
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The above point wouldn't be as big if custom buttons (customizable toolbar) was brought back. That would allow us to add a small button next to the addressbar (since modern systems have plenty of horizontal screen estate) that would give us quick access to the bookmarks without adding a stupid bar under the url bar.
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Opera Link. This has been non-functional (i.e. broken) since version 15 with the written promise that Opera is working on bringing it back. But they apparently don't. Now, often you'll read the argument "oh, so just add <insert-extension-here> and you'll have it back. Why would I choose Opera over Chrome (which are the same engine) if I have to rely on a third party extension for a feature that Chrome has built in?
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Session management. Why did you remove that? It was one of the best features ever to be implemented in Opera and no browser to this day has even come close to matching it. Now, I know that there's also a (chrome) extension to add something similar back, but the above point still applies here. Why would I chose Opera over Chrome if chrome has better features and can use the same plugin?
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A Former User last edited by
I have 3 different browsers in use, out of approximately 4½ present, and I wouldn't say anybody loses me.
And by the way, what would they lose? Did I pay any money? Am I gonna to? :rolleyes: -
horscht86 last edited by
I have 3 different browsers in use, out of approximately 4½ present, and I wouldn't say anybody loses me.
And by the way, what would they lose? Did I pay any money? Am I gonna to?Your Data
EDIT: and their revenue stream they get from search engine hits.
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A Former User last edited by
I wouldn't say anybody loses me.
And by the way, what would they lose? Did I pay any money? Am I gonna to?Your Data
Unfortunate comment... What data? Opera doesn't collect any meaningful data.
http://www.opera.com/privacyA correct answer is they lose you in the users count so the revenue from partners that pay to become default search engines and Speed Dial entries would be lower as they'd consider Opera less worthy.
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horscht86 last edited by
I wouldn't say anybody loses me. And by the way, what would they lose? Did I pay any money? Am I gonna to?Your Data
Unfortunate comment... What data? Opera doesn't collect any meaningful data.
http://www.opera.com/privacy
A correct answer is they lose you in the users count so the revenue from partners that pay to become default search engines and Speed Dial entries would be lower as they'd consider Opera less worthy.While I edited this already (previous to your reply, mind you), that's actually straying from the point I was trying to make.
I was merely pointing out in (what I feel to be was) a constructive manner what I do not like about the current state of the Opera browser and what is needed for it to be improved.Since there's practically no useful communication from Opera to its users (apart from the obligatory "soon" or "we're working to bring <feature> in an upcoming releas") I just felt that I needed to somehow try and bring my concerns to a place were at least someone from Opera might stumble upon.
To re-itterate:
I am no complaining about the presto rendering engine being gone. In fact, I "don't care" (tm, patent pending) about the rendering engine being used, I care about usability.
Privacy, monetization questions are also not what I am concerned about.
I am concerned about Opera leaving it's old userbase in the dust with a 14 month old, broken browser and simplyfiying (sp?) their new release so much that their old userbase can or will not use it while trying to acquire a new userbase that is already content with other browsers (IE, Chrome, Firefox, Safari to name the big 4), all of which offer the same or even more features and one of which is basically the same browser, only that opera crosses out the name "Chrome" and writes "Opera" in in crayon and removes a few features along the way. They can't really compete with that.
So unless Opera gets its act together and tries to win back their old userbase (most of which are still using Opera 12.17), more and more of them will finally be forced to abandon Opera and Operas new userbase will be considerably smaller up to the point they can't sustain their business model anymore.
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