What percentage of people are adapting well to the new Opera?

[berng]

berng last edited by

  I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.

it's a little early to say their doing pretty well. bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.

Link?
Their 1Q2014 shows a profit. Their revenue increased 40% over 1Q2013.
http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors/finance

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=OPERA:NO

-0.12. not +. hover on the link for interpretation.

That minus means a negative from the ANALYST ESTIMATES. They have a profit of .12. If there was a loss, then the bar would be pointing pointing downwards from the zero point with the color being red instead of green.

[blackbird71]

blackbird71 last edited by

It's still early, either way. A transient such as a nearly-complete product-line redesign throws some major perturbations into a company's stats and stock behavior. Much as we might like it to be otherwise, until there's been at least several more quarters for trends to become apparent from underneath all the perturbations and reactions (corporate, internal productivity, and market perceptions), it's simply not possible to tell what the market trend for Opera ASA will ultimately be.

[biggerabalone]

biggerabalone last edited by

   I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.

it's a little early to say their doing pretty well.  bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.

Link?
Their 1Q2014 shows a profit. Their revenue increased 40% over 1Q2013.
http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors/finance

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=OPERA:NO

-0.12. not +. hover on the link for interpretation.

That minus means a negative from the ANALYST ESTIMATES. They have a profit of .12. If there was a loss, then the bar would be pointing pointing downwards from the zero point with the color being red instead of green.

without getting into this to far (it's off topic and boring), they did not have a first quarter profit. their earnings did not compensate their expenditures. there is an § Adjusted EBITDA of MUSD 22.7 that is burried in opera's cost presentation. this graph highlights it. actual earnings of 0.12 equates to "a negative surprise" for the first quarter of "-75.78%". that is why opera's price fell .6 after this announcement.

the point was, it is still early to say that the new direction will be a profitable one.

[biggerabalone]

biggerabalone last edited by

oh, and here's the one from bloomberg.

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/OPERA:NO

[berng]

berng last edited by

    I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.

 it's a little early to say their doing pretty well.  bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.

Link?
Their 1Q2014 shows a profit. Their revenue increased 40% over 1Q2013.
http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors/finance

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=OPERA:NO

-0.12. not +. hover on the link for interpretation.

That minus means a negative from the ANALYST ESTIMATES. They have a profit of .12. If there was a loss, then the bar would be pointing pointing downwards from the zero point with the color being red instead of green.

without getting into this to far (it's off topic and boring), they did not have a first quarter profit. their earnings did not compensate their expenditures. there is an § Adjusted EBITDA of MUSD 22.7 that is burried in opera's cost presentation. this graph highlights it. actual earnings of 0.12 equates to "a negative surprise" for the first quarter of "-75.78%". that is why opera's price fell .6 after this announcement.
the point was, it is still early to say that the new direction will be a profitable one.

It may be off topic but you're the one who started this with your incorrect comment "it's a little early to say their doing pretty well. bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014."

There was NO loss. They had a profit.

[biggerabalone]

biggerabalone last edited by

     I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.

  it's a little early to say their doing pretty well.  bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.

 Link?
 Their 1Q2014 shows a profit. Their revenue increased 40% over 1Q2013.
 http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors/finance

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=OPERA:NO

-0.12. not +. hover on the link for interpretation.

That minus means a negative from the ANALYST ESTIMATES. They have a profit of .12. If there was a loss, then the bar would be pointing pointing downwards from the zero point with the color being red instead of green.

without getting into this to far (it's off topic and boring), they did not have a first quarter profit. their earnings did not compensate their expenditures. there is an § Adjusted EBITDA of MUSD 22.7 that is burried in opera's cost presentation. this graph highlights it. actual earnings of 0.12 equates to "a negative surprise" for the first quarter of "-75.78%". that is why opera's price fell .6 after this announcement.
the point was, it is still early to say that the new direction will be a profitable one.

It may be off topic but you're the one who started this with your incorrect comment "it's a little early to say their doing pretty well. bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014."
Theren was NO loss. They had a profit.

lol. i see you don't understand the terminology i'm using??? refer to this graph of the first quarter

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/OPERA:NO

yes, as you point out their revenue is positive. but their net income was close to -20%. since you apparently don't know what that means (since i already posted that graph), i'll explain. revenue is:

"the total amount of money received by the company for goods sold or services provided during a certain time period. It also includes all net sales, exchange of assets; interest and any other increase in owner's equity and is calculated before any expenses are subtracted.

Read more: http://www.investorwords.com/4254/revenue.html#ixzz36j5drn5v

this is "bf expenses". are we clear? before expenses. it doesn't mean they made money. you have to subtract expenses and costs.

net income is close to -20%. now that's a very large negative number.

"In business, what remains after subtracting all the costs (namely, business, depreciation, interest, and taxes) from a company's revenues. Net income is sometimes called the bottom line. also called earnings or net profit.

Read more: http://www.investorwords.com/3247/net_income.html#ixzz36j6FMREQ

so why is their net income negative (yes, losing money, not positive, as in having less then they should)?

i had explained it to you already. this is the second time:

"there is an § Adjusted EBITDA of MUSD 22.7 that is burried in opera's cost presentation." but you didn't read it??? or understand what i was saying??? finally, a comment is not incorrect just because you don't understand it.

[muukkivi]

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to lem789 or what ever Opera team member on the other end.

You have one view but many old-time opera users have other views. What if Opera team's strategical thoughts prove to be wrong? Maybe Opera gets a small time success on a mobile platforms and then that ends and meanwhile they have lost their old-time customers - people who have used opera for the features represented in opera 12. I do not really understand why do you think we are such a losers that our needs are "a pie full of ignorance" and a burden on way to Opera's so called golden success?

Maybe one should also tear down Adobe Photoshop to be as basic as photo editing on someone's mobile phone - since larger companies are doing that (sick). Why care for the professional users of Photoshop - they will die out, no need to worry - today everything must be simple and usable not flexible. Flexibility is for stupid and grannies, they are usually all old and need to be hospitalized, have Alzheimer.

We cannot even use the opera 12 tab changing logic - from presently in focus to previously in focus tab, but have to go through (ctrl+tab) every open web page tab to get the last one previously looked at - for example to use it for comparing prises, etc on 2 web pages. And of'course there is no way to change keyboard shortcuts - for example ctrl+N to open a new tab and not window, etc. That's why I used Opera. Isn't that simple enough to be included in every new Opera version that rolls out.

[lem729]

lem729 last edited by

To soresport or sorebrands, brandssores, or whatever on the other end Firefox, Chrome or Internet Explorer user you may be stirring up malcontent in the Opera forum. So sorry with that opening, but really what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Or maybe it's that you reap -- sir, madam, whomever -- what you sow.

Now you complain about tab behavior. You complain: "We cannot even use the opera 12 tab changing logic - from presently in focus to previously in focus tab, but have to go through (ctrl+tab) every open web page tab to get the last one previously looked at." Look try the Classic Tabs Extension. https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/classic-tabs?display=en. It gives Opera Blink some of the same tab options that Opera 12 had. It was approved by Opera because, among other things, it added needed functionality to the Opera browser. And you can change some keyboard shortcuts. You just have to, for the moment, look to extensions to do it. Why, try Vimium, for the ultimate extension in keyboard configurability. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/vimium/dbepggeogbaibhgnhhndojpepiihcmeb?hl=en

To download a Chrome Extension, you do need the Opera Extension, Download Chrome extension
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en
Or Extension Source Viewer
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/extension-source-viewer?display=en

Let me make something very clear! No way do I oppose Opera's providing more keyboard configurability options in future updates of the native browser, particulaly as it may relate to accessibility features, for people with disabilities. The concept of the Opera browser, though, has changed to an extensions model. So first look at what's out there. If a person is always looking for everything to be in the native browser -- or for total configurability of the browser as they wish -- they're probably going to be an unhappy camper.

My general view, though, is to say to the Opera developer, thank you for the browser that you have provided right now. It has a lot of terrific features that I do like -- the Speed dial, Discover, Turbo mode, the lightning speed of the browser, the ability to access far more sites than Opera Presto can. Sure, I'm happy if more is added, but for me I see the part of the glass that's filled, and do not feel empathy for those whose tone with regard to this free browser -- is constantly whining. As for wanting to use Ctrl N to open a new tab instead of ctrl T, I don't think many people care one big hoot about that.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by admin

Why would I want several different add-ons/extensions to do small but important things with there own little icon I have to click on every time?
Question: did you find a browser where you don't need to do that?

We cannot even use the opera 12 tab changing logic - from presently in focus to previously in focus tab, but have to go through (ctrl+tab) every open web page tab to get the last one previously looked at
You can! opera://flags/#activation-order-tab-cycling
You could search for the solution, but it's easier to post a rant here isn't it?

for example ctrl+N to open a new tab and not window
Continue, you're not nitpicking enough about hitting the T instead of the N on your keyboard being an abysmal pain that would justify adding advanced keyboard shortcuts settings.

Oh wait, you didn't search before posting and again it's already possible: https://forums.opera.com/topic/3549/i-can-t-open-new-window-instead-of-new-tab-where-are-advanced-settings

[lem729]

lem729 last edited by

We cannot even use the opera 12 tab changing logic - from presently in focus to previously in focus tab, but have to go through (ctrl+tab) every open web page tab to get the last one previously looked at>

You can! opera://flags/#activation-order-tab-cycling You could search for the solution, but it's easier to post a rant here isn't it?

I took a closer look at the Classic Tabs extension that I recommended in my last post. It specifically provides the option for when you close a tab, the last active tab before it to be activated. So it seems like you have a choice between the classic tabs extension or the opera://flags approach.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Any way of arranging the extension icons in different order?

[lem729]

lem729 last edited by

Not the way one would like it. Hopefully in the future something will be done. It's a problem in Chrome and in Opera.

One approach that sometimes works is to delete the extension, and then add it again to the browser. Sometimes then an icon that might have been four away from fthe far right of on the icon bar, shows up at the far right -- which is what you might be aiming for. At other times -- not sure why -- it ends up in the old spot.

[uggrak]

uggrak last edited by

Why would I want several different add-ons/extensions to do small but important things with there own little icon I have to click on every time?
Question: did you find a browser where you don't need to do that?

Actually yes, well, almost anyway, Cyberfox, it has a lot of the features that Opera 12.17 had, tho you still need a few extensions, like mouse gestures, but you can configure them A LOT, I can get "Open link in tab".
Actually, that is the only extension so far that has anything to do with that sort of things.

It also has some features that are not available In this new Opera with extensions.
Like the popup window when scrolling though tabs (invaluable) with right+wheel or ctrl+tab.
A real sidebar with bookmarks or history. Quick access to bookmarks with keyboard shoortcuts, A REAL bookmarks manager.

But, it also misses some things that I liked with this new opera, like the Stash function, I did come to like that for links to pages that I will come back to, but will not need to save in bookmarks.
Also the better Speed-Dial page.

Probobly forgot something in either way. But I will still keep Opera Next and 12.17 just in case, well Next mostly so I can keep up with what is happening.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Too bad about the extension icons, but that is not a big deal. I have now tried xmarks sync, and it it completely useless. With 3-4 machines synced it always ends in a mess, then stop syncing.

I have backed up adr from version 12, so have to find someway to import that again in this one.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User last edited by

bobman, if you still have Opera 12 on your computer and load Opera Stable, you should be able to use the bookmark importer to load the bookmarks onto the bookmarks bar and speeddial. You can then copy Stable bookmarks to Next or Developer. Likewise you could set up Chrome or Chromium and import your old Opera bookmarks thru html import and then copy those bookmarks over to Opera Stable, Next or Developer. Either way, go to appdata/roaming and copy bookmarks and bookmarks.bak from chrome, chromium, or Opera Stable profile into the Opera Next or Developer Profile. Hope this helps.

And about the extension icons, if you uninstall Opera and erase all appdata and programs folders, and install a fresh copy, just install extensions in the order you want the icons to appear. The only way I've found that works for me. I keep the profile backed up in case I need to do this and then copy only the pertinent files back over, Bookmarks, Login Data, favorites(speeddial), etc.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User last edited by

I'm still totally bummed out, after a year and several tries over that period, by the new Opera. I am still using the 12.16 x64 platform. That means putting up with a lot because it sometimes crashes (printing is one cause of that), and more and more web pages (but still a small fraction) are incompatible. At least I have the "in Firefox" button to quickly deal with incompatible pages. Firefox isn't adequate either, but much closer to my needs than the present Opera.

Believe me, I would change to the new platform in a heartbeat if it were the more efficient choice for me. The Chrome platform is probably OK for casual browsing, but not for the serious work I do on-line.

Opera needs a toolbar, or the ability to add tools to the address bar. In particular:

1. I want to deep-six Speed Dial and have a homepage button (and the ability to specify a homepage). My homepage system is my primary access to the Internet (much better for me than bookmarks), apart from searches.

2. I need plus, minus and 100% zoom button where I can see and click them, not buried in a menu that adds a click or a keystroke. Type sizes on the web are all over the map, and I am constantly zooming.

3. I need a kill button to get rid of extraneous page content for less distracted viewing or for printing. I was an add-on for earlier Opera buttons, and is an optional toolbar feature in Firefox.

4. Stash is not as good as the former Tab-Vault add-on. Stash would be passable if it were an icon or button on the address bar instead of taking up one tab space (a waste of space). Tab-Vault has not been updated for the Chrome platform, and the author is not interested in investing the time (to the chagrin of many dedicated users who have posted to his site).

5. As someone commented earlier, there should be an option to have a standard file etc. menu line on the top row. Although this would take a row of screen space, for me that would be a wise investment for the functionality that is common to the other programs I use. Also, I have a utility that displays a digital clock and my amount of free memory on that line, just to the left of the Window control buttons there (i.e. minimize, etc.). It is particularly when web browsing with a lot of tabs open that I need the free memory display.

6. Finding extensions is a huge time sink. The search feature on the extensions page is inadequate, and I have been unable to find a forum or site that that highlights a lot of utilitarian ones (as opposed to the fluffy stuff). Any recommendations for such info sources would be appreciated for my next attempt at new-Opera in a month or two.

It is really saddening and VERY frustrating that Opera is no longer the professional tool it once was. I've got to say that I'm with Uggrak, Alloyt00 and some others here -- there are different levels of use for web browsers, and while new-Opera works for some users it just doesn't for others. I wish it did for me -- it just doesn't. There is a huge void for us in the browser market. I hope Opera can fill it again some day.

[lem729]

lem729 last edited by

@sitka

Try the homepage in new tab extension

https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/homepage-in-new-tab/?display=en

And if you need it, the Custom new tab page.

https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/custom-new-tab-page/?display=en

On the menu, for most people, just pressing the alt key (one small key, right next to where your fingers are on the keyboard opens the Opera menu. It's like simple. Or press alt + f for a keyboard shortcut if just the alt key doesn't work for you.

On zooming, activate the advanced keyboard shortcuts. 0 increases zoom size, 9 decreases it, and 6 (I believe) returns you to the default start.

[lem729]

lem729 last edited by

@sitka

On cutting distraction from Web Pages, I think the Opera extension Clearly does that. https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/clearly/?display=en

Here's a discussion of Clearly (as a Chrome extension), but since it's been ported to Opera, and I gave you the Opera link, it has the same features, so the discussion may be helpful to you. http://www.techerator.com/2012/01/clearly-chrome-browser-extension-cuts-distractions-from-web-pages/

On the zoom feature you were concerned about, I found a Chrome extension you might like, if you prefer something other than using the keyboard shortcuts. See
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/zoom/lajondecmobodlejlcjllhojikagldgd?hl=en
It gives you a scrolling bar, for zooming, and more.

To download a Chrome Extension, you do need the Opera Extension, Download Chrome extension
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en

Or Extension Source Viewer
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/extension-source-viewer?display=en

You can install this, and if you don't like it, uninstall.

[biggerabalone]

biggerabalone last edited by

@sitka
On cutting distraction from Web Pages, I think the Opera extension Clearly does that. https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/clearly/?display=en
Here's a discussion of Clearly (as a Chrome extension), but since it's been ported to Opera, and I gave you the Opera link, it has the same features, so the discussion may be helpful to you. http://www.techerator.com/2012/01/clearly-chrome-browser-extension-cuts-distractions-from-web-pages/
On the zoom feature you were concerned about, I found a Chrome extension you might like, if you prefer something other than using the keyboard shortcuts. See
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/zoom/lajondecmobodlejlcjllhojikagldgd?hl=en
It gives you a scrolling bar, for zooming, and more.
To download a Chrome Extension, you do need the Opera Extension, Download Chrome extension
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en
Or Extension Source Viewer
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/extension-source-viewer?display=en
You can install this, and if you don't like it, uninstall.

nice picks:)

[wcolwell]

wcolwell last edited by

I'm drifting back to the Opera blog and forums from time to time to see how new Opera is evolving, but in the meantime settling back into Firefox as my main browser. I guess I should let the Opera updates start flowing into one machine too so I can check progress firsthand off and on (I had frozen at v20).

There are a number of features of new Opera which I consider best in class:

• speed (better even than Chrome, I think, as it has less baggage; of course, some of the Chrome baggage is rather nice)

• font rendering (with extension "Opera Font Rendering by thunder13"); I had this running in Chrome too but Chrome now blocks extensions from outside their store

• Opera's Speed Dial is very slick (Firefox extension Fast Dial is a good substitute though)

I'm waiting for better bookmark support and sync before considering Opera for my main browser (or recommendation to friends and family).

I'm glad to see Opera now expanding latest versions to Linux. Maintaining the same browser experience across 6+ machines (through sync; some Win7, some Linux) is important to me.