What percentage of people are adapting well to the new Opera?

uggrak

uggrak

I was not talking to you about how it feels like, but the starter as he asked how many are adapting well.

If they are doing very well maybe they can hire some more programmers then to speed up the development?

What I and I guess many others are complaining about and that I don't understand why they praisers of the new opera are so furiously defending is that Opera used to have (yes in another engine) a whole bunch of amazing features.

What I cant understand is that when you update your program you just stop supporting what you had and throw the users a underdeveloped beta of your new program. Normally I would expect a developer to keep supporting the old until the new was as good as that.

The other browsers never had the functions in it in the first place anyway.

biggerabalone

biggerabalone

I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.

it's a little early to say their doing pretty well. bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.

biggerabalone

biggerabalone

lem729

please don't refer to presto as old. in linux its still the new:) yet it lacks polish on mine (beside tabs there is a opera icon that is 1/4 cut off. its always been that way).

berng

berng

I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.

it's a little early to say their doing pretty well. bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.

Link?

Their financial report for 1Q2014 shows a profit. Their revenue increased 40% over 1Q2013.

http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors/finance

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=OPERA:NO

biggerabalone

biggerabalone

And how about the Opera Mail stand alone program. Does it work better in any way than Mail in Opera 12?

They are the basically the same thing. Opera Mail is just Opera 12 without the browser part.

so is opera mail still going to be developed (updated for new os etc, security holes patched etc)? or is it abandonware? i still prefer it over thunderbird but suspect it is heading the path of the presto.

biggerabalone

biggerabalone

I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.
it's a little early to say their doing pretty well. bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.
Link?
Their 1Q2014 shows a profit. Their revenue increased 40% over 1Q2013.
http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors/finance

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=OPERA:NO

berng

berng

 I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.
it's a little early to say their doing pretty well. bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.
Link?
Their 1Q2014 shows a profit. Their revenue increased 40% over 1Q2013.
http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors/finance
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=OPERA:NO

Your link shows a .12 per share PROFIT.

biggerabalone

biggerabalone

you might want to check the revenue projections here also. and gross profits ... as compared to 2010. and note that when opera announced that it was going webkit or blink or whatever, it was very recent, so investors reacted positively in anticipation. we need to wait to see if this upward trend in stock price was an anomaly or not.

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/financials/financials.asp?ticker=OPERA:NO

biggerabalone

biggerabalone

 I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.
it's a little early to say their doing pretty well. bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.
Link?
Their 1Q2014 shows a profit. Their revenue increased 40% over 1Q2013.
http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors/finance
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=OPERA:NO

-0.12. not +. hover on the link for interpretation.

berng

berng

  I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.
it's a little early to say their doing pretty well. bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.

Link?
Their 1Q2014 shows a profit. Their revenue increased 40% over 1Q2013.
http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors/finance
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=OPERA:NO
-0.12. not +. hover on the link for interpretation.

That minus means a negative from the ANALYST ESTIMATES. They have a profit of .12. If there was a loss, then the bar would be pointing pointing downwards from the zero point with the color being red instead of green.

blackbird71

blackbird71

It's still early, either way. A transient such as a nearly-complete product-line redesign throws some major perturbations into a company's stats and stock behavior. Much as we might like it to be otherwise, until there's been at least several more quarters for trends to become apparent from underneath all the perturbations and reactions (corporate, internal productivity, and market perceptions), it's simply not possible to tell what the market trend for Opera ASA will ultimately be.

biggerabalone

biggerabalone

   I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.

it's a little early to say their doing pretty well.  bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.
Link?
Their 1Q2014 shows a profit. Their revenue increased 40% over 1Q2013.
http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors/finance
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=OPERA:NO
-0.12. not +. hover on the link for interpretation.
That minus means a negative from the ANALYST ESTIMATES. They have a profit of .12. If there was a loss, then the bar would be pointing pointing downwards from the zero point with the color being red instead of green.

without getting into this to far (it's off topic and boring), they did not have a first quarter profit. their earnings did not compensate their expenditures. there is an § Adjusted EBITDA of MUSD 22.7 that is burried in opera's cost presentation. this graph highlights it. actual earnings of 0.12 equates to "a negative surprise" for the first quarter of "-75.78%". that is why opera's price fell .6 after this announcement.

the point was, it is still early to say that the new direction will be a profitable one.

biggerabalone

biggerabalone

oh, and here's the one from bloomberg.

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/OPERA:NO

berng

berng

    I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.

 it's a little early to say their doing pretty well.  bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.

Link?
Their 1Q2014 shows a profit. Their revenue increased 40% over 1Q2013.
http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors/finance
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=OPERA:NO

-0.12. not +. hover on the link for interpretation.
That minus means a negative from the ANALYST ESTIMATES. They have a profit of .12. If there was a loss, then the bar would be pointing pointing downwards from the zero point with the color being red instead of green.
without getting into this to far (it's off topic and boring), they did not have a first quarter profit. their earnings did not compensate their expenditures. there is an § Adjusted EBITDA of MUSD 22.7 that is burried in opera's cost presentation. this graph highlights it. actual earnings of 0.12 equates to "a negative surprise" for the first quarter of "-75.78%". that is why opera's price fell .6 after this announcement.
the point was, it is still early to say that the new direction will be a profitable one.

It may be off topic but you're the one who started this with your incorrect comment "it's a little early to say their doing pretty well. bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014."

There was NO loss. They had a profit.

biggerabalone

biggerabalone

     I don't care what it feels like to you. The company is doing very well whether you like it or not.

  it's a little early to say their doing pretty well.  bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014.

 Link?
 Their 1Q2014 shows a profit. Their revenue increased 40% over 1Q2013.
 http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors/finance
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=OPERA:NO
-0.12. not +. hover on the link for interpretation.
That minus means a negative from the ANALYST ESTIMATES. They have a profit of .12. If there was a loss, then the bar would be pointing pointing downwards from the zero point with the color being red instead of green.
without getting into this to far (it's off topic and boring), they did not have a first quarter profit. their earnings did not compensate their expenditures. there is an § Adjusted EBITDA of MUSD 22.7 that is burried in opera's cost presentation. this graph highlights it. actual earnings of 0.12 equates to "a negative surprise" for the first quarter of "-75.78%". that is why opera's price fell .6 after this announcement.
the point was, it is still early to say that the new direction will be a profitable one.
It may be off topic but you're the one who started this with your incorrect comment "it's a little early to say their doing pretty well. bloomberg reports they had a first quarter loss in 2014."
Theren was NO loss. They had a profit.

lol. i see you don't understand the terminology i'm using??? refer to this graph of the first quarter

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/OPERA:NO

yes, as you point out their revenue is positive. but their net income was close to -20%. since you apparently don't know what that means (since i already posted that graph), i'll explain. revenue is:

"the total amount of money received by the company for goods sold or services provided during a certain time period. It also includes all net sales, exchange of assets; interest and any other increase in owner's equity and is calculated before any expenses are subtracted.

Read more: http://www.investorwords.com/4254/revenue.html#ixzz36j5drn5v

this is "bf expenses". are we clear? before expenses. it doesn't mean they made money. you have to subtract expenses and costs.

net income is close to -20%. now that's a very large negative number.

"In business, what remains after subtracting all the costs (namely, business, depreciation, interest, and taxes) from a company's revenues. Net income is sometimes called the bottom line. also called earnings or net profit.

Read more: http://www.investorwords.com/3247/net_income.html#ixzz36j6FMREQ

so why is their net income negative (yes, losing money, not positive, as in having less then they should)?

i had explained it to you already. this is the second time:

"there is an § Adjusted EBITDA of MUSD 22.7 that is burried in opera's cost presentation." but you didn't read it??? or understand what i was saying??? finally, a comment is not incorrect just because you don't understand it.

muukkivi

muukkivi

to lem789 or what ever Opera team member on the other end.

You have one view but many old-time opera users have other views. What if Opera team's strategical thoughts prove to be wrong? Maybe Opera gets a small time success on a mobile platforms and then that ends and meanwhile they have lost their old-time customers - people who have used opera for the features represented in opera 12. I do not really understand why do you think we are such a losers that our needs are "a pie full of ignorance" and a burden on way to Opera's so called golden success?

Maybe one should also tear down Adobe Photoshop to be as basic as photo editing on someone's mobile phone - since larger companies are doing that (sick). Why care for the professional users of Photoshop - they will die out, no need to worry - today everything must be simple and usable not flexible. Flexibility is for stupid and grannies, they are usually all old and need to be hospitalized, have Alzheimer.

We cannot even use the opera 12 tab changing logic - from presently in focus to previously in focus tab, but have to go through (ctrl+tab) every open web page tab to get the last one previously looked at - for example to use it for comparing prises, etc on 2 web pages. And of'course there is no way to change keyboard shortcuts - for example ctrl+N to open a new tab and not window, etc. That's why I used Opera. Isn't that simple enough to be included in every new Opera version that rolls out.

lem729

lem729

To soresport or sorebrands, brandssores, or whatever on the other end Firefox, Chrome or Internet Explorer user you may be stirring up malcontent in the Opera forum. So sorry with that opening, but really what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Or maybe it's that you reap -- sir, madam, whomever -- what you sow.

Now you complain about tab behavior. You complain: "We cannot even use the opera 12 tab changing logic - from presently in focus to previously in focus tab, but have to go through (ctrl+tab) every open web page tab to get the last one previously looked at." Look try the Classic Tabs Extension. https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/classic-tabs?display=en. It gives Opera Blink some of the same tab options that Opera 12 had. It was approved by Opera because, among other things, it added needed functionality to the Opera browser. And you can change some keyboard shortcuts. You just have to, for the moment, look to extensions to do it. Why, try Vimium, for the ultimate extension in keyboard configurability. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/vimium/dbepggeogbaibhgnhhndojpepiihcmeb?hl=en

To download a Chrome Extension, you do need the Opera Extension, Download Chrome extension
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en
Or Extension Source Viewer
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/extension-source-viewer?display=en

Let me make something very clear! No way do I oppose Opera's providing more keyboard configurability options in future updates of the native browser, particulaly as it may relate to accessibility features, for people with disabilities. The concept of the Opera browser, though, has changed to an extensions model. So first look at what's out there. If a person is always looking for everything to be in the native browser -- or for total configurability of the browser as they wish -- they're probably going to be an unhappy camper.

My general view, though, is to say to the Opera developer, thank you for the browser that you have provided right now. It has a lot of terrific features that I do like -- the Speed dial, Discover, Turbo mode, the lightning speed of the browser, the ability to access far more sites than Opera Presto can. Sure, I'm happy if more is added, but for me I see the part of the glass that's filled, and do not feel empathy for those whose tone with regard to this free browser -- is constantly whining. As for wanting to use Ctrl N to open a new tab instead of ctrl T, I don't think many people care one big hoot about that.

A Former User

Why would I want several different add-ons/extensions to do small but important things with there own little icon I have to click on every time?
Question: did you find a browser where you don't need to do that?

We cannot even use the opera 12 tab changing logic - from presently in focus to previously in focus tab, but have to go through (ctrl+tab) every open web page tab to get the last one previously looked at
You can! opera://flags/#activation-order-tab-cycling
You could search for the solution, but it's easier to post a rant here isn't it?

for example ctrl+N to open a new tab and not window
Continue, you're not nitpicking enough about hitting the T instead of the N on your keyboard being an abysmal pain that would justify adding advanced keyboard shortcuts settings.

Oh wait, you didn't search before posting and again it's already possible: https://forums.opera.com/topic/3549/i-can-t-open-new-window-instead-of-new-tab-where-are-advanced-settings

lem729

lem729

We cannot even use the opera 12 tab changing logic - from presently in focus to previously in focus tab, but have to go through (ctrl+tab) every open web page tab to get the last one previously looked at>

You can! opera://flags/#activation-order-tab-cycling You could search for the solution, but it's easier to post a rant here isn't it?

I took a closer look at the Classic Tabs extension that I recommended in my last post. It specifically provides the option for when you close a tab, the last active tab before it to be activated. So it seems like you have a choice between the classic tabs extension or the opera://flags approach.

A Former User

Any way of arranging the extension icons in different order?