What percentage of people are adapting well to the new Opera?
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blackbird71 last edited byBlackbird ... Lem, let me elaborate. As far as the extreme usefulness to which I am referring having loved and enjoyed with the old Opera Extended Progress Bar ... I am referring to more than say --- just how many bytes out of the total have been downloaded.
True, that is more helpful than what New Opera, Chrome and Firefox provide now. However, I am referring to the additional data that the old Opera Extended Progress Bar provided. I am talking about the SPEED of the transmission of the progress at any given time throughout the loading of whatever. And the Elements to be downloaded and how many had been downloaded at any given time.
The latest incarnation of Extended Statusbar (1.5.9) for FF provides the download speed, as well as image count, kB loaded, and elapsed time. The earlier version was broken by the FF29 update, but the extension has now itself been updated and is back in service on my system. It's something to consider, though it obviously doesn't help with the newer Opera versions.
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suntana last edited by
The unfortunate thing is, Blackbird, that while that Extended Statusbar for FF appears like it might be pretty close to what the old Opera Extended Progress Bar was ... Firefox is and has always been just plain ole point blank slow and non-ideal working on MY systems. So, even if I used FF with that Extended Statusbar, it'd still be slow. That Extended Statusbar would just confirm what I already knew.
I have a theory. I think that while Firefox and Chrome might be great and the browsers of choice for a lot of people ... they don't appear to be designed to work well on older, underpowered, non-state of the art computers, let alone on Dial Up.
So, the ideal solution would be if someone creates an Extended Progress Bar Extension for new Opera.
Thanks for the information anyway, Blackbird. Can't hurt to know these things, these options.
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blackbird71 last edited by
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I have a theory. I think that while Firefox and Chrome might be great and the browsers of choice for a lot of people ... they don't appear to be designed to work well on older, underpowered, non-state of the art computers, let alone on Dial Up.
So, the ideal solution would be if someone creates an Extended Progress Bar Extension for new Opera. ...I don't think that's really a "theory", it's more like reality. Most software designs, especially the ones that aspire to be trendy, are crafted for the system capabilities and performance that are current or just coming to market. I realized you were on dial-up, but I didn't know your hardware was older. I went through some of the same kinds of things with my old Pentium computer, which I used until late in 2010... a lot of the then-newer software simply couldn't run on it effectively. I agree that a great solution would be for somebody to create an Extended Progress Bar for Opera... in fact, that's one of a number of things I would like to see placed in extensions if Opera is unwilling/unable to make them native to the Blink versions.
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Deleted User last edited by
Opera is going to design their browser to meet the general and/or current standards in relation to broadband and computer performance. The number of people still on dial-up would seem to mitigate against their allotting resources in that direction.
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lem729 last edited by
@suntana, @blackbird71, @leushino
But Opera with its Turbo and Mini-Opera mode shows that it has an interest in addressing this universe of people. Particularly in the mobile markets, it fills a gap. But even desktop laptops can benefit from this -- not just people on dial-up modem. And even if it isn't as good as it can be, it's not an area Opera acts like it is ignoring.
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blackbird71 last edited by
Opera is going to design their browser to meet the general and/or current standards in relation to broadband and computer performance. The number of people still on dial-up would seem to mitigate against their allotting resources in that direction.
@leushino, I realize that. However, there are still quite a few people in both faraway and not-so-faraway places who don't have access to broadband or who can't afford the latest computer hardware. In the past, Opera was the browser-of-choice for many of these folks... and, to its credit (as @lem729 points out), Opera still provides a strong aid to the dial-up users via Turbo. However, browser resource demands are starting to challenge a lot of these users' XP-vintage systems (and a few I know of who are running Win98-vintage systems!), and with the growing site incompatibilities of Presto Opera, such users are feeling a noticeable squeeze when trying to migrate to a newer browser. Unfortunately, I don't really know the answer for them...
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suntana last edited by
Opera is going to design their browser to meet the general and/or current standards in relation to broadband and computer performance. The number of people still on dial-up would seem to mitigate against their allotting resources in that direction.
While that is true, in my experience, in my reality ... since way back in my first Opera version, Opera 9.27 and on to the present Opera 22.0.1471.70, Opera Browser has somehow just always had a definite noticeable superior ability to handle older, underpowered, non-state of the art computers AND Dial Up vs. other browsers.
It's interesting that a lot of NEW Opera detractors claim that - Oh! New Opera is just Chrome with an Opera skin. That couldn't be further from the truth because the current New Opera works fine on my system while the current Chrome is its usual self ... NOT working ideally on my system. So, whether by design or by accident and regardless of how company resources are alloted, New Opera obviously has some Turbo Charger, SOMETHING under the hood that its alleged twin Chrome does not. Opera has in general always seemed to have had an Ace up its sleeve that's always allowed it to easily beat the competition at Dinosaur Systems Poker. Hah Hah Hah! I won't ask how they do it ... as long as they keep doing it.
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alloyt00 last edited by
How did we go from 12 to 22 in a little over a year when it took more than a decade to get to 12?
I'm not entirely sure how I can adapt to version 22 when I can't even personalize the on screen tool and menu bars.
Now I've arguments about how the menu bars use up valuable screen real estate, but it's my real estate, and my 19' monitors.
Apparently the real estate argument doesn't apply to the download manager where 4-5 lines are now used where an elegant single line sufficed.
So here are a few questions.
How do I get my windows title bar back on full screen?
How do I get rid of that stupid "O" tab and get my file menu back.
How do I revert my download manager back to it's single line elegance (which could display >20 download, as apposed to the current 4)
How do I turn off themes (Don't like em don't want em)
How do I get private tabs (mobile can do it)
How do I block content?
What happened to the list of closed tabs?Once I figure out how to do these things then I may consider myself adapted.
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lem729 last edited by
So here are a few questions.
How do I get rid of that stupid "O" tab and get my file menu back.
Just press the Alt key for the menu (or Alt f4 if it doesn't work for you) (if it does, it's just one key, right next to where you're finger is set up on a normal keyboard). That's simple.
How do I revert my download manager back to it's single line elegance (which could display >20 download, as apposed to the current 4)>
-- There are lot of download managers, particularly in the Chrome store. Just do a web search for "download manager Chrome Store." And try a few. You can always uninstall them if you're unhappy. To use a Chrome Extension, all you need is to have installed the Opera extension, "Download Chrome extension"
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en
Or Extension Source Viewer
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/extension-source-viewer?display=enHow do I turn off themes (Don't like em don't want em)>
-- You can import your own art for a theme. If it really turns you on to have nothing as a background, why, save a blank page on your computer. Then right click on the speed dial page, click on change theme, create your theme, choose file (and make that blank page your theme). It's easy to do. Now if you see something better on the web that you could live with, just right click on it, and save it as your theme.
How do I get private tabs (mobile can do it)
-- None of the other major browsers do any more for desktop, not Firefox, Chrome, or IE. Not sure why? Probably the privacy for the user is better with a private window.
How do I block content?
-- Simple. Get an Opera ad-block extension. I use AdBlock Plus,
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/opera-adblock/?display=en-GB
and Disconnect in tandem https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/disconnect/?display=en.
Some people use AdBlock https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/adblockforopera/?display=en by itself, or AdBlock Plus alone. These ad blocking extensions are quite excellent. I have absolutely no problem with ads, and am delighted with how well it all works.
What happened to the list of closed tabs?
-- Have you even looked at the browser. Are you so lazy
that you asked these questions without even trying to understand the browser. Recently closed tabs is the fourth menu item from the top. They all show up there. You can open any of them. If you want a fancier setting, there are extensions that do it, like the Opera extensions, Simple Undo Close, or Browser ++. The Chrome Extension, Sexy Undo Close Tab is quite good.Once I figure out how to do these things then I may consider myself adapted.
It's simple to do the vast bulk of these things. You can't get your menu back, but that's in most cases one click on the alt key to see the menu (or at the worst if that doesn't work (alt f4, or click the logo). No reason you can't adapt easily. Complain less. Welcome change! There are a lot of good features in the new Opera including faster speed, and ability to access sites better.
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blackbird71 last edited by
How did we go from 12 to 22 in a little over a year when it took more than a decade to get to 12?
...Actually, it's pretty simple. The Opera desktop browser skipped versions 13 and 14 (they applied to something unrelated), and has also gone to a new rapid-release concept similar to certain other browser makers. In that case, there are three categories or streams of versions "in the works" at any given time... Developer, Next, and the "final".
The Developer versions are just that - under development, with feature-sets that are in flux and with bugs to be unraveled. Versions that are deemed sufficiently mature are advanced to the Next stage, where the feature sets are frozen and the testing is simply for debugging. Finally, when the Next version is mature enough, it is released as a "final" version for general consumption. Minor version bumps still occur within a version base-number for things like internal Blink engine updates, minor late bug fixes, etc. The effect of all this is that version numbers increase faster than in the old days, since they are driven more by the ordinary flow of design events rather than by waiting for a certain number of changes to accumulate or the perception of changes to be "major enough" before incrementing.
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tranceplante last edited by
I barely use it anymore. I am here now because my firefox is not working so I went back to opera to find out most of the functions i loved in opera 12 are now gone.
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Deleted User last edited by
I always find it amusing when users report so much hatred for the new Opera browser, migrate over to FF and then claim that FF no longer works. How very strange. I've been using FF for years and it's always worked but somehow they manage to break it in a few days. Others jump to Chrome which is ironic since they claim to hate the new Chrome-like Opera and yet they turn around and migrate to Chrome without even trying to understand the new browser. My gut feeling is that they have done nothing of the kind but feel the need to vent their frustration and so we hear these sob stories. As I see it the options are simple: Stay with Opera Presto with the understanding that it is increasingly incapable of providing a secure, efficient browser OR go with the new Opera browser and try and adapt by making use of extensions from either Opera or Chrome OR go with another browser. Whining and threatening have done nothing for over a year now and will continue to do little other than raise some clouds of cyber dust. Opera is getting better all the time. Learn to use it. Ask your questions respectfully and try to adapt.
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A Former User last edited by
well, im not going back to the 12 version after a few days of testing. Sites are actually working,lastpass works when the wand did not on many sites. On my tablets the pop up keyboard works,problem is still the bookmarks and panel is missing.
Had to move email accounts and have a bunch of extensions visible, it still seems better than opera 12, it is just no the all in one it used to be.
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lem729 last edited by
@bobman
why are bookmarks still a problem for you. I thought you found a bookmark manager extension you liked.
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browzer1 last edited by
I'm using Opera 22. I pretty well have it customized to my liking.
I miss the permanent bookmarks sidebar, but there are extensions available that somewhat duplicate that.
I am satisfied.
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firithmorgulion last edited by
i did not adapt well to this chrome-clone
(and yes, someone is saying that its not a clone, in my opinion its a clone, with a slightly different ui)i hate it when i need extensions even for the simplest tasks, like sorting bookmarks
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Adonisali last edited by
I've always hated Chrome because so many things are not possible compared to Opera. Then Opera uses the foundation of Chrome for their new product. Ugh. Its like Ferrari using a Toyota frame and drivetrain for their next product.
So....are people finding the features they need through extensions?
And how about the Opera Mail stand alone program. Does it work better in any way than Mail in Opera 12? It wasn't a top quality thing but it was pretty good and for most people more than adequate for their needs. Guess we just get used to some stuff.Nothing ever was what it looked like in Opera. There is a good reason why they changed to develop chromium more.
you know Opera used to be the safest browser, right? I feel they did have a problem staying that way. And chromium may be not the safest interface, used by such a many people, but as Suntana said, they always found a way to be innovating. I guess Chromium does get better, and Opera doesnot need to invent the wheel every time. But they still use wheels, adapted to their engine, not the other way around, even it looks that way indeed. -
alloyt00 last edited by
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Just press the Alt key for the menu (or Alt f4 if it doesn't work for you) (if it does, it's just one key, right next to where you're finger is set up on a normal keyboard). That's simple.</blockquote>Perhaps I didn't make myself clear, I know how to access the (incomplete) menu. The "Show Menu Bar" option is missing. When will it be restored?
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How do I revert my download manager back to it's single line elegance (which could display >20 download, as apposed to the current 4)>
-- There are lot of download managers, particularly in the Chrome store. Just do a web search for "download manager Chrome Store." And try a few. You can always uninstall them if you're unhappy. To use a Chrome Extension, all you need is to have installed the Opera extension, "Download Chrome extension" https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en Or Extension Source Viewer https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/extension-source-viewer?display=en [/blockquote]Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Opera's Download manager was a fit for purpose tool, the current one is not. When will it be restored? (If I wanted to use chrome extensions I would use Chrome.)
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How do I turn off themes (Don't like em don't want em)>
-- You can import your own art for a theme. If it really turns you on to have nothing as a background, why, save a blank page on your computer. Then right click on the speed dial page, click on change theme, create your theme, choose file (and make that blank page your theme). It's easy to do. Now if you see something better on the web that you could live with, just right click on it, and save it as your theme. [/blockquote]What part of "Off" is hard to fathom? "Off" means I don't have to do silly unnecessary things. Themes are bloatware.
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How do I get private tabs (mobile can do it)
-- None of the other major browsers do any more for desktop, not Firefox, Chrome, or IE. Not sure why? Probably the privacy for the user is better with a private window.
[/blockquote]So Opera now follows what other browsers do?
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How do I block content?
-- Simple. Get an Opera ad-block extension. I use AdBlock Plus,https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/opera-adblock/?display=en-GB
and Disconnect in tandem https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/disconnect/?display=en.
Some people use AdBlock https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/adblockforopera/?display=en by itself, or AdBlock Plus alone. These ad blocking extensions are quite excellent. I have absolutely no problem with ads, and am delighted with how well it all works.[/blockquote]
I'm delighted you're delighted, but if it's no longer a feature, it ceases to be a reason for using Opera over other browsers.
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-- Have you even looked at the browser. Are you so lazy that you asked these questions without even trying to understand the browser. Recently closed tabs is the fourth menu item from the top. They all show up there. You can open any of them. If you want a fancier setting, there are extensions that do it, like the Opera extensions, Simple Undo Close, or Browser ++. The Chrome Extension, Sexy Undo Close Tab is quite good. [/blockquote]Who was the moron who what used to be a simple button onto a menu? That's incredibly backward.
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It's simple to do the vast bulk of these things. You can't get your menu back, but that's in most cases one click on the alt key to see the menu (or at the worst if that doesn't work (alt f4, or click the logo). [/blockquote]I don't want the inverted logo tab, I want a menu that starts with "File"
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No reason you can't adapt easily.
[/blockquote]There's no reason I can't just as easily adapt to any other new browser. Why should I invest in Opera?
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Complain less. Welcome change! There are a lot of good features in the new Opera including faster speed, and ability to access sites better.[/blockquote]A query is not a complaint, the complaint follows:
Change shouldn't be 'welcomed', change should to be managed, I understand the business case for abandoning Presto, however what I don't understand is the abandonment of long established features.
Sadly you've provided no compelling argument for Opera, but plenty for extensions, sadly extensions are available in multiple platforms.
I guess I'll check back with version 33 and see if it boasts any improvement.
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alloyt00 last edited by
Just press the Alt key for the menu (or Alt f4 if it doesn't work for you) (if it does, it's just one key, right next to where you're finger is set up on a normal keyboard). That's simple.
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear, I know how to access the (incomplete) menu. The "Show Menu Bar" option is missing. When will it be restored?
-- There are lot of download managers, particularly in the Chrome store. Just do a web search for "download manager Chrome Store." And try a few. You can always uninstall them if you're unhappy. To use a Chrome Extension, all you need is to have installed the Opera extension, "Download Chrome extension" https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en Or Extension Source Viewer https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/extension-source-viewer?display=en [/blockquote]
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Opera's Download manager was a fit for purpose tool, the current one is not. When will it be restored? (If I wanted to use chrome extensions I would use Chrome.)
How do I turn off themes (Don't like em don't want em)>
-- You can import your own art for a theme. If it really turns you on to have nothing as a background, why, save a blank page on your computer. Then right click on the speed dial page, click on change theme, create your theme, choose file (and make that blank page your theme). It's easy to do. Now if you see something better on the web that you could live with, just right click on it, and save it as your theme.What part of "Off" is hard to fathom? "Off" means I don't have to do silly unnecessary things. Themes are bloatware.
How do I get private tabs (mobile can do it)
-- None of the other major browsers do any more for desktop, not Firefox, Chrome, or IE. Not sure why? Probably the privacy for the user is better with a private window.So Opera now follows what other browsers do? Feature loss.
How do I block content?
-- Simple. Get an Opera ad-block extension. I use AdBlock Plus,
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/opera-adblock/?display=en-GB
and Disconnect in tandem https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/disconnect/?display=en.
Some people use AdBlock https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/adblockforopera/?display=en by itself, or AdBlock Plus alone. These ad blocking extensions are quite excellent. I have absolutely no problem with ads, and am delighted with how well it all works.I'm delighted you're delighted, but if it's no longer a feature, it ceases to be a reason for using Opera over other browsers.
-- Have you even looked at the browser. Are you so lazy
that you asked these questions without even trying to understand the browser. Recently closed tabs is the fourth menu item from the top. They all show up there. You can open any of them. If you want a fancier setting, there are extensions that do it, like the Opera extensions, Simple Undo Close, or Browser ++. The Chrome Extension, Sexy Undo Close Tab is quite good.Who was the moron who moved what used to be a simple button onto a menu? That's incredibly backward.
It's simple to do the vast bulk of these things. You can't get your menu back, but that's in most cases one click on the alt key to see the menu (or at the worst if that doesn't work (alt f4, or click the logo).
I don't want the inverted logo tab, I never wanted it, I want a menu that starts with "File"
No reason you can't adapt easily.
There's no reason I can't just as easily adapt to any other new browser. Why should I invest in Opera?
Complain less. Welcome change! There are a lot of good features in the new Opera including faster speed, and ability to access sites better.
A query is not a complaint, the complaint follows:
Change shouldn't be 'welcomed', change should to be managed, I understand the business case for abandoning Presto, however what I don't understand is the abandonment of long established features.Sadly you've provided no compelling argument for Opera, but plenty for extensions, sadly extensions are available in multiple platforms.
I guess I'll check back with version 33 and see if it boasts any improvement.
