Let's get right down to it, Opera Devs: Where, on God's green earth, are BOOKMARKS??
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jrista last edited by
Pesala, this is the only place my anger might have an impact on Opera development. As for having "unrealistic" expectations, I believe it is ENTIRELY REALISTIC to EXPECT that EVERY browser SHOULD have bookmarks, full and proper bookmarks, not some half-assed excuse like Stash or half-implemented flop like the bookmarks bar.
So sorry, but I have completely realistic expectations, as do everyone else who've been asking about full bookmarks since Opera Next was released. The UNREALISTIC state of affairs is that those requests have been ignored for so long.
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A Former User last edited by
The real state of affairs is that most users don't have that many bookmarks, and can manage fine with what is already available. Stash was there from the beginning, so they're not spending any time on that at the moment. The Bookmarks Bar is now fully implemented and enabled by default.
The devs have not ignored anything, except perhaps the ranting and shouting, which they should ignore.
They have other priorities, which are not mine either. I don't care about a Linux version, or synchronisation, but some do:
http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/02/opera-21-today/#comment-1256495634
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magogam last edited by
and can manage fine with what is already available
A huge fixed bar is not a thing that I can manage fine. What is wrong with the old "Start bar"?
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icarium11 last edited by
If you don't find the option "show the bookmarks bar" in the settings, you have to do this first:
- copy in the adress field: opera://flags/#quick-access-bar
this brings you to the super secret experimental feature "Enables a bookmarks bar below the address toolbar."
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choose "enabled" in dropdown menu. default(enabled) seems not to work
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restart opera
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now go to settings> User Interface. The check the box "Show the bookmarks bar". It should be there now
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A Former User last edited by
On the menu"
Menu????? What Menu, there is no Menu.That silly button in the upper left that is barely visible and what show after you click it is NO Menu!
BTW and OT; This childish war between Opera and FF with who has the highest version number is beyond ridiculous.
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jade-knight last edited by
I completely agree with jrista. The new Operas lack a ton of features that made the old Opera 12 unique, in an effort to appeal to the Firefox and Chrome users, I guess. I think that kind of approach is foolish, since those people are not going to stop to use their browsers to use a watered down copy like the new Operas are. If you want to add new stuff to try to appeal to those people, that's fine by me, but doing that by removing the features that your users loved in the first place and by forcing them to use the new lackluster features, like that terrible bookmark bar, is a terrible idea cause what that makes is us to go use their browsers instead. And that's a shame.
I've been a long time Opera user, but 12 is becoming obsolete, so I'll have to upgrade to a new browser soon. That being said, I'm not going to use the new Opera as it is now. I'd love to see the old bookmark menu back, the old downloads page back, instead of that terrible Firefox download box thing, and customization options back, since I want to put buttons like the home button where I want them to be. Otherwise I'll just go to Chrome, because why would I use the new Opera when it lacks everything I liked about Opera anyway?
I hope you guys hear us old users suggestions so I can keep using Opera in the future.
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davidmrcoleman last edited by
jrista, I've been following your posts and have to thank you for expressing my views exactly. About the anger, I can't understand why everyone is not furious with Opera.
Besides these recent setbacks, there's the age-old problem of Opera's huge number of errors. I've been especially frustrated time and time again when Opera would fix a problem only to have the problem reappear in a newer release, and again, and again. What does this day about Opera's software management? Are there competing groups of Opera programmers, each trying to swap the other group's fixes out and their own old code back in?
I don't know where to turn. I also have thousands of bookmarks, with wonderful hierarchies and dummy bookmarks used to assign attributes to folders. Searching in Opera, when it works, has always been wonderful. For example, I could search and find all products (each product in its own folder) which use a particular battery (the battery being indicated by one of my dummy attribute bookmarks). For this to work, when bookmarks match you must be able to see the hierarchy each bookmark is contained in.
Such searches, which show the containing hierarchy of each found bookmark, along with keyboard cut-and-paste of multiple bookmarks and folders enables easy maintenance of such a large bookmark file.
It appears that this strategy, which has served me so well for numerous applications, is dead.
I have absolutely no faith left in Opera, and as quickly as I can find another browser with a rich feature set, I will bolt. Firefox's strategy, minimal features and thousands of extensions, will never work. Nothing will be ever done well, done completely, or be guaranteed to be there tomorrow.
Anyway, thanks for your efforts. Unfortunately I doubt Opera has enough intelligence to listen.
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A Former User last edited by
I doubt if Opera developers have so little intelligence to follow what a small minority of users want and demand, rather than what most users need.
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jade-knight last edited by
I'd love to see where are you getting your userbase preference data from, pesala, because I have never met a single person who didn't use bookmarks in the past 14 years.
Listening to your loyal users' complaints and suggestions is intelligent, cause we're the ones doing the word-of-mouth at the end of the day, and nowadays I wouldn't recommend Opera to anybody.
What's not intelligent is to defend a company that removes basic features from their new products. Do you use Windows 8 too?
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A Former User last edited by
I'd love to see where are you getting your userbase preference data from, pesala
http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/07/ctrl-z-of-ctrl-d/
Different people have different perceptions of what's important vs what is vital, and what is just nice to have. The developers have to weigh up the pros and cons, after listening to all of their users, and their shareholders, before deciding on what is the highest priority.
If car manufacturers just listened to a few of the loudest voices, most would be driving electric cars by now, or maybe hydrogen powered cars. If car drivers listened to the Greens, then most people would be riding bikes by now.
If only they would listen to me, Opera would have implemented editable keyboard shortcuts and mouse gestures by now, and tab-stacking, and menu customisation, and maybe give a few more skins, and a way to edit them, and .... just a few hundred more little things I really need.
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jade-knight last edited by
That car example is a completely different issue. We're talking about removing features here.
Anyway, to begin with that study is assuming that the people who didn't accept the data collection has the same behavior, so it's clearly a biased study.
In any case, if you want to lose more than a 10% of your user base, even though your web browser is the less used one, that's fine by me. You've already lost me, so I don't care anymore, good luck.
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A Former User last edited by
It doesn't matter at all if Opera loses 10% of one's existing user base, provided one gains users from other sources. It's totally impersonal, so don't take it so personally, and don't make it a personal issue.
Why do you talk to me like Opera is my browser? I am just another user. It's not my web browser, and I do not make any decisions regarding what gets implemented and what doesn't.
You just don't care to face the facts — bye now. Good luck with finding another browser that does exactly what you want.
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rwp728 last edited by
I am uninstalling Opera 20 because there seems to be no provision for importing bookmarks from another browser. The Opera help system says "Select Settings > Import and export File > Import and export." This is false for this version. There is no submenu called Import and export File under Settings in v. 20, and I couldn't find any provision anywhere else.
Furthermore I see no information for how to contact Opera tech support for this or any other problem. Opera clearly does not want to hear anything from customers or users, and I have no use for companies with that policy. -
werewolf last edited by
Same here! Who needs another Chrome clone? I have over 4,000 bookmarks and I click on them all the time. I want them on a permanently open list on the left, like Opera 12, which I'm still using, and Firefox, still have.
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A Former User last edited by
First of all apologize for my English.
I do not understand why in all clones of chrome not there yet any developer who has made a sidepanel for bookmarks, is because the browser engine? API? The sidepanel is very necessary, almost essential.
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lem729 last edited by
You might want to look at the Chrome extension Sidewise.
And here's an extension called Bookmarks Side Panel in the Chrome store.
These products may not be ready for prime time yet, but I wanted you to see that panels are being worked on.
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A Former User last edited by
You might want to look at the Chrome extension Sidewise.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/sidewise-tree-style-tabs/biiammgklaefagjclmnlialkmaemifgo?hl=en-US
And here's an extension called Bookmarks Side Panel in the Chrome store.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bookmarks-side-panel/ankkfflbgjokclfgfehiinnlijdlicdb?hl=en-US
These products may not be ready for prime time yet, but I wanted you to see that panels are being worked on.The first one is for the tabs, not for the bookmarks, is a lateral external panel, but the idea is good. The second does not work for a long long time.
Chromium, Chrome, SRWare Iron, Chropera, CoolNovo, Comodo, Superbird, ect... none includes something as essential and practical as the side panel of bookmarks, is more, CoolNovo has retired recently and was due to incompatibility with the browser ¿¿¿???
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colderwinters last edited by
Jrista, you can have full bookmarks in the new Opera, Dont expect the Devs to do everything for you, sometimes you have to do it yourself, I have full bookmarks in opera 20, has everything you mentioned except that they probably arent searchable. I mentioned in other areas of these forums how to get the full bookmarks, and you dont need any other extension other than the bookmarks manager, you'll probably need a sorter, mine were exported as HTML presorted before importing to the new Opera, heres screenshots proving you can have full bookmarks in the latest Opera 20
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mythra last edited by
Hi everyone,
First of all I apologize for my English.
I was reading some posts and threads, particularly relating to bookmarks. Personally I could understand the choice of developers to delete the typical bookmarks in favor of speed dial (if it's seen as a new version/view of them), but in this case there MUST BE a tool to import and manage the old bookmarks in newer version of Opera.
However, I think that the bookmarks are just one of more and more problems in these latest versions: obviously I'm not referring to the problems of navigation in itself, but in the last 10 (and more) years I've chose Opera for its excellent U.I. and the ability to customize maybe everything, two things that I missed in the latest versions!!
Over the years I have never been disappointed by the new versions, especially from the point of view of the new features: speed dial and tab-grouping (and many other features) have become indispensable in my daily use both at work and at home, but I think that from version 20 there was a big step back.
I do not know if this forum is read by developers or by the management, but I hope that in the next versions, Opera return to be Opera and not a bad copy of Chrome or Firefox
bye
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jogosfriv last edited by
Welcome bookmarks bar is just not as convenient as the old marking system. thank you.
