The above sounds like we're talking about an all new browser here?
Exactly that. Opera got written from scratch again on top of the Chromium engine.
Everything that isn't in it hasn't been there before. They killed nothing.
Ever thought of the possibility to implement everything and then releasing it?
You seem to have not the slightest idea how much time it takes to develop "all" basic features. And every one of us deems sth. else to be the most basic thing of all.
Did i miss something? Was the original bookmark functionality broken, so that it had to be replaced with "stash"?
No, not bookmarks, but the whole browser was. That's why they decided to start from scratch.
Opera always developed new concepts. That's where e.g. tabbed browsing originates.
Without some new ideas, there's no progress. And a fresh start is the best opportunity to re-think old concepts.
Stash might not be an adequate replacement for bookmarks, but it's been a new concept.
Opera analyzed and listened to the majority. That's why they are integrating bookmarks now.
I'm working on the script right now, but since we have a Browser Extension specialist in here, he is well capable of creating such a script by himself and publish it for the whole opera community. So no, I will not post it here for sure because it's not that important, right?
There's absolutely no reason to be sarcastic. Did I assault you? I don't think so...
You are free to do what you want. If you want to help other users like you said before, then again, we'd be happy to share it in here.

"" @operasucksn How did they find out what the majority of the users wanted? How did they come to the conclusion that a stash is what the majority of the users wanted?
By analyzing millions of data sets send by Opera usage statistics. Enligthened enough?""
So you want to tell me that analyzing usage statistics yielded "The most users want a stash". Laughable.
""But don't complain, that this or that is missing""
Normally I wouldn't, but it was there, don't talk like there has never been bookmark management and they needed to implement it from scratch. They simply took it away for no good reason, didn't they?

""But its not Xmas for users.""

I don't think it's christmas-ish for a user to click a button to export bookmarks. Looks like Opera simply doesn't want users to have an easy way to switch to another browser ^^

By analyzing millions of data sets send by Opera usage statistics. Enligthened enough?""

So you want to tell me that analyzing usage statistics yielded "The most users want a stash". Laughable.

""But don't complain, that this or that is missing""

Normally I wouldn't, but it was there, don't talk like there has never been bookmark management and they needed to implement it from scratch. They simply took it away for no good reason, didn't they?

@operasucksn How did they find out what the majority of the users wanted? How did they come to the conclusion that a stash is what the majority of the users wanted?

By analyzing millions of data sets send by Opera usage statistics. Enligthened enough?

And now that users want the old stuff back, it's not that important.

A small minority. Others wanted faster Opera 11 back in Opera 12.x times. I and some others wanted Opera and S/MIME + OpenPGP im M2. But its not Xmas for users.

I'm working on the script right now, but since we have a Browser Extension specialist in here, he is well capable of creating such a script by himself and publish it for the whole opera community

Create it, work on it. That's OpenSource software, my dear. But don't complain, that this or that is missing.

How come every other browser has these basic features? The above sounds like we're talking about an all new browser here?

Why would I publish a browser which lacks normal bookmark stuff and then tell people that other features are more important?

Ever thought of the possibility to implement everything and then releasing it?

Comprehension:

Opera had a perfect normal way of managing bookmarks, then some guy decides it would be great to erase that functionality and shove a "stash" down the throats of users who surely did not want such a thing.

When users are complaining about the lack of e.g. exporting bookmark functionality, they get told that it's not that important..LOL

Did i miss something? Was the original bookmark functionality broken, so that it had to be replaced with "stash"?

And now that users want the old stuff back, it's not that important.

How did they find out what the majority of the users wanted? How did they come to the conclusion that a stash is what the majority of the users wanted?

Is anyone supposed to understand this? Please enlighten me.

I'm working on the script right now, but since we have a Browser Extension specialist in here, he is well capable of creating such a script by himself and publish it for the whole opera community. So no, I will not post it here for sure because it's not that important, right?

So, just for clarification: I can't export my stash data right now, because it's not that important?
Spot on.
What would you expect from a company who lets mods like this into the open...
You asked. I gave you an honest answer.
Would you prefer me lying into your face?
Exporting stuff isn't a priority when basic features like the ones mentioned before aren't finished yet.
You may have different expectations, but Opera - like every other company - does serve the needs of the majority of its users first, i.e. implement the most-requested features, which is the only right thing to do.
So you can go on complaining about how bad Opera is or how dumb mods in here are or you can just be a happy FF user and leave well alone.

Figured out a way to convert the stash.db into a firefox-readable html. Need to create a python script for that []
If the script is ready and working, I will publish it somewhere for the next poor souls who just want to leave [Opera]
That's nice of you. Thanks. We'll be happy to share the link in here.

we really should not try and go over Christophs abilities, he's just a mod with no knowledge of developing software.
Actually, I'm studying computer science and I'm developing browser extensions as well.
But being as wise and smart as some users in here is hard...

So, just for clarification: I can't export my stash data right now, because it's not that important?
Spot on.

What would you expect from a company who lets mods like this into the open....

Figured out a way to convert the stash.db into a firefox-readable html. Need to create a python script for that, so thx opera devs, i have way too much freetime anyway ^^.

If the script is ready and working, I will publish it somewhere for the next poor souls who just want to leave a bad browser.

Oh, and I just learned that this is only a tip and trick forum, so we really should not try and go over Christophs abilities, he's just a mod with no knowledge of developing software.

Opera sucks big time, doesn't let you export the stash data, preventing you from switching to another browser.
Perhaps ask Mozilla to implement a Stash importer. The stash.db database can be easily read. How about that?

So, you are telling us that there is so scarcity of manpower, brainpower and willingness in Opera Devs that 'other developers' must implement import capabilities for functions that really few and poorly knowledgeable users appreciate (and that, as I've read several time in this forum, are the main target for the present and future Opera Browser innovations) and that Opera has implemented?

That's really funny... I'm not sure if you are really helping the discussion in here.

And note the load of work that Opera users are putting in their 'normal' use of this browser trying even to gain some kind of access to their sacred and most valuable bookmark db with any means. Even a sqlite manager. A bookmark db that has grown in years of daily Opera browser use... since Opera 5!!!! This is a hell of user retention policy for sure. BRAVO Opera! So, at the end, Opera is not even compatible with their own user base. Very smart!

This is another huge and hot issue and this is something that simply break the standards that we are used to have in web browsing. If I cannot simply move my bookmarks from one browser to the other means that the 'other' browser is out of standard and deemed to doom. There are format in which bookmarks can be read by any other browser and simply ignoring standards is a less than a smart way to work in this World.

Again, who's responsible of this lack of vision?

You know, there are important things like reimplementing bookmarks, sync and downloads functionality and then there are some features like exporting stuff.
Have fun using FF. Bye.

Really? christoph142 are you sure to understand what's going on in here, or are you just trying to be smart, looking the opposite? Please have a look at the word 'standards' on Wiki, and what imply for a company health and the probability of its future, then think again on how to look smart.

Opera sucks big time, doesn't let you export the stash data, preventing you from switching to another browser.
Perhaps ask Mozilla to implement a Stash importer. The stash.db database can be easily read. How about that?

So, just for clarification: I can't export my stash data right now, because it's not that important?
Spot on.

That's what I'm talking about Have fun moderating a forum for a broken piece of code. Bye.

So, just for clarification: I can't export my stash data right now, because it's not that important?

Why am I posting this, while knowing nobody cares about that?

Because [] devs at opera thought it would be a good idea to not let me export my bookmarks to a format which is readable by firefox.

Are you for real? No export button for the stash?

My stash file is a mere 150 MB and now I am supposed to fiddle with a sqlite manager? (Which I already did, but still can't import the stash data into firefox,because the exported format ALSO sucks)

[]

Seriously, the people who decided to rape opera like this should be fired and banned from software development forever..what a crying shame.

Just abandon opera, they deserve it, it's dead, some clueless suits killed it.

Ok, that's it. I will be busy the next few days, manually importing the urls from the stash into firefox....thx again opera devs, well done.

tl;dr: Opera sucks big time, doesn't let you export the stash data, preventing you from switching to another browser.

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I don't like the way they hide those settings, and it's a real mess to come up with those hidden address, as the address for opera://flags and the Experiments that they propose. I don't like the stash idea either nor the bookmark bar as the default repository for bookmark, and that cannot be changed easily or, better, intuitively.

So, I totally agree with the OP and the many others that complains about this Devs choice to tailors the browsing experience in a draconian way. This is not 'choice' this is an imposition that we USERS do not like. Devs, please, do something about it.

Anyway, the search function on opera://bookmarks is broken. I really hope that in the 'improvements' that the Devs are promising there will be a search feature proud of its name.

Finally, do I MUST really rely on 'extensions' to have a 'standard' browsing experience? This is ridiculous!

BTW, the search feature in the forum is broken too... have you noticed?

Than open chrome-extension://knohfebhibeknbfioecpdmdkjkjdnjnl/manager/bookmarks.html

i have used opera exclusively since Netscape on OS/2 went away. I have enjoyed Opera because they were always willing to innovate, to push the bar, and to introduce new ways of doing things. I comment Opera for trying to find a replacement system for Bookmarks. The problem is that they have failed miserably.

For now i keep going back to opera 12. and waiting for someone to recognize that the options provided are insufficient for some percentage of their user base. And to realize that because options are good, they can Add 'Old Fuccedup way of managing bookmarks' as an option. Make fun of me for using it while the enlightened crowd uses stash and scrolls through speed dial. I'm OK with that. Just don't tell me the emperor's clothes are nice. Be blind and stay blind. i don't care. But don't limit my options. I'm tired of O12.. but here i go again..

I tried Opera Next as late as today to see if it was any better, had it installed since earlier and also tried a fresh install.
The biggest problem ofc is Bookmarks, and NO Stash and Speed Dial are not good replacements.
Bookmarks bar... erhh... I dont want another bar to take place in my browser, its fine with a menu or quick access manager (F4).
On that note, Bookmarks bar seems to really fucking bad implemented, I cant import any bookmarks to it.
There is just no option where its supposed to be. Menu - More Tools - No import bookmarks.

I know about extensions also, the official Bookmarks Manager is just SHIT and all the rest wants to use the bookmarks bar.

It is REALLY bad that you would need to spend hours of time just to get a WEB BROWSER in good working condition. That is just not a good program then.