Please bring back old bookmarks

herrpietrus

herrpietrus

"That's today's reality but many of you are stuck in the 90's needing a suite with integrated mail (i.e. Netscape) along with a browser that can be configured endlessly including a menu bar, a side panel AND a "proper" bookmark manager to hold your 8,000 + seldom used bookmarks."

I know that some people need only facebook and one local news portal to enjoy their internet live, but I'm afraid that many people used to use internet in more advanced way. I know that some people prefer to search for something in Google time after time, but it's really a lot more handy to use bookmarks in such situations...

I suppose that many people, especially those who began their adventure with internet with Chrome don;t use bookmarks, because it's a bit unhandy. (the same situation we currently have got with recent tabs in new Opera) You have to click on menu button, find "bookmarks" on the list, wait a couple of milliseconds for your bookmarks to appear... Some people certainly consider using google as faster and more convenient, but still,I'm afraid that if you visit certain website many times, even not so often, i'ts easier to directly launch it from bookmarks than type something into search field etc... e.g. I mainly use Oxford Dictionary but still i keep Merriam-Webster in my bookmarks to access it easily. But I do it so rarely that I don't need MW in my SpeedDial... I'm sure that in 21. century most users don't like using commands... And searching again and again it's for me like using terminal instead of GUI...

blackbird71

blackbird71

The idea that has been put forth repeatedly that Google (or any other search engine) is as effective as well-organized, multi-level, foldered bookmarking for web page accessing simply is incorrect for many users. Sites that have been found to be highly useful, which have been obtained over time through link-clicking trails from other sites or by reference links provided by other people, very often can only be re-found (if they appear at all) many pages deep amongst hundreds of other similarly-described (but inferior) sites when searched out via Google. This is partially, but not only, because search engines constantly re-rank their site placement locations - but "popular" does not equate to most-useful, accurate, or reliable... attributes the user may himself have applied to a particular site before he bookmarked it. The concept of Google searching works well as a staple for "whimsical" users who go out on the Internet highway to "see what they might see"... but it fails abysmally for users who seriously attempt to accomplish any kind of repetitive work using a browser and websites. For the latter user, search engines are useful for initially tracking down topical information, assuming the investment in time and false-starts is worth that effort - but they are terribly wasteful when having to be reused over and over for the great multitude of "reference" sites that may be called upon to support various "serious" activities.

The concept that a browser "should" be stripped down, fast, sleek, and feature-starved emanates entirely from the world of mobile-using hordes who only employ a browser "on-the-fly" for whimsical or impulsive browsing. Users (and have no doubt there are indeed many) who employ a desktop computer as a tool for genuine work and who do meaningful research need a browser that efficiently supports in-depth configurability and provides an array of accessible 'features' that support such work and research. Perhaps such users are "geeks" in the minds of some folks - but they exist in a vast array of occupations and locales: everywhere from agriculture to meteorology to IC design to financial investment to insurance to medical to - well, the list is truly endless. Perhaps they only constitute a few percentage points in a marketplace dominated by consumer crazes and whims, but they are a solid few percentage points - points which correspond to many millions of users worldwide. Regardless, they are a largely silent block of users, generally avoiding forums and surveys and market "flash", who only erupt in dismay once they suddenly discover a primary and valuable tool has been replaced with something unusable for what they need and especially when they are then told their usage patterns essentially don't matter and are "obsolete", "hardcore", or "geeky".

What Opera does with their browser design is entirely up to Opera... the browser is free. Whatever explanation they share with users for that design philosophy is theirs alone to provide - again, the browser is free. But for some users (or even developers) to tell other users what those other users' browsing needs actually are or ought to be is uninformed at best, and arrogant at worst.

Deleted User

Deleted User

Some people certainly consider using google as faster and more convenient, but still,I'm afraid that if you visit certain website many times, even not so often, i'ts easier to directly launch it from bookmarks than type something into search field etc.

I understand what you're saying. Back in the day, I had a proper bookmark manager like everyone else. Granted, I never had thousands of bookmarks but I probably had a hundred or so. However, over time I discovered that I only visited a few dozen of those bookmarked sites and that many were no longer functional anyway. So I culled my bookmarks to the essential ones which were those few dozen sites mentioned and I've never looked back. I watched my wife navigate the other day and she pretty much types what she's looking for into the address bar and is off and running. I asked her about her attitude towards bookmarks and received pretty much the same answer: "I keep a few dozen often visited sites on my Yahoo Home Page... period. I use my Surface RT, my iPad and my smart phone to access those sites and the rest is done by using Bing."

I'll admit that there are some whose jobs might require a more extensive set of bookmarks but I would dare say that the vast majority not only don't need more than a few dozen but don't WANT them. I know I can't be bothered with more than three dozen bookmarks. With today's search engines, I just don't need them anymore. I use both Firefox and Opera (and occasionally IE11 in desktop) and on all of these browsers I operate with a bookmark bar. The notion that it takes up so-called valuable real estate is totally ridiculous. I dumped my desktop computer for a Lenovo Thinkpad (14 inch ultrabook) so my screen size is not large compared to the 21 inch monitor I previously owned. If anyone would experience a lack of screen size it should be me when I'm using PhotoShop to tweak my pictures. But... I don't. And that suggests to me that the Opera users who are crying over the QAB taking up too much space are simply not adaptable enough. You need to be able to change... learn new ways of doing things and if an older guy like myself can do it, anyone can IF he/she puts his mind to it. But what I'm seeing are guys who stubbornly refuse to learn new ways of doing things. Things must be done as they always have been done... and the browser must be set up exactly the way it was set up years ago. Our world is increasingly mobile and browsers are changing to sync with that new reality. You need to be willing to change as well. Most users simply do not need thousands of bookmarks and Opera has recognized this reality. Trying to build a new browser that is exactly like the former would be a huge mistake. Bear in mind that the former browser was never a big success in the market place and for more reasons that the typical - "Oh, it just wasn't marketed enough." Yeah... right...

herrpietrus

herrpietrus

"But what I'm seeing are guys who stubbornly refuse to learn new ways of doing things"
Some time new ways are simply nor\t worth learning, because the are worst than old ones...

But yes, I've managed to get accustomed to new Opera, thankfully It has extensions and after some teaks that can be also extensions for chrome. Buil-in and and really functional speed dial, introduced by Opera, is great as well as built-in mouse gestures. A least that means two extensions less to seek for. But it's really sad that as opera user for about seven-eight years I see that stubbornly opera devs cant give me one more thing built-in. So simple to achieve, I'm sure about it, and already obtained by ALL other browsers with Chrome in the first plan.

With so much black PR from old users and, well, only SpeedDial and mouse gestures distinguishing Opera from Chome, which position among browser is dominating, I;m not so sure if new Opera will succeed...

Speaking about that real estate it's not ridiculous, it's logical and natural because that bar consumes space that was previously saved by cutting out menu bars, menu button in the left corner of the window... Adding bookmark bar by Google and Opera is primitive and inconsistent with previous trend.

Cutting out mail client it's not so big problem, stil I need one mouse click to read them, I'm simply not clicking on Opera menu abr but Windows taskbar, but there are couple of simple things that could be done easily by experienced opera devs and hadn't been done... Things that definitely wouldn't spoil new Opera's appearance but help old users to change browser and make them more eager to promote new Opera's child...

tr6

tr6

Ok, geeze. First off, no person should be telling anyone how many bookmarks they should or shouldn't have, that's just silly K. I mean really..lol.

As I said, I'm enjoying the new Opera ( thanks to a few extensions ). Really though, why would the dev's bother adding the bookmarks again like it was ? Someone out there is going to try to make a good extension to do it for them. We won't be seeing a good bookmarks manager from Opera again I'm sure.

So, awhile ago, my teenagers asked "why are you using Opera? " (insert sneer here ). I was able to give them tens of reasons. Now, I can't. Have you seen how many extensions Chrome has? They're Chrome kids. I have nothing to tell them to make them want to try it. How this will get Opera get more users, I just don't get it.

Anyway, I'm sticking with Opera. Why anyone would switch from Chrome now though I'm not sure. Speed isn't everything and I agree with-

herrpietrus

"Adding bookmark bar by Google and Opera is primitive".

Deleted User

Deleted User

I'm not telling you how many bookmarks you should have. Where did I say that? What I posted was an expression of my opinion that having thousands of bookmarks is ridiculous in this day and age. If you want to have several thousand bookmarks, that's your prerogative. But I believe you shouldn't expect the Opera Team to spend priority time developing such a bookmark manager that would handle thousands upon thousands of bookmarks, particularly when so few users today are so demanding.

As for giving reasons why you use Opera to others, why should you feel so compelled. I use Opera because I want to use Opera. I like its clean look. I like how fast it renders pages. I like the Speed Dial and Stash feature. I love the QAB. Discover I'm not so crazy about but I can simply ignore that feature. I love the fact that it is compatible with my favorite sites. It does what I want a browser to do. I don't need anything more and in truth, I don't need to answer another why I use the browser I use.

The "primitive" thing would be to integrate an email client and turn it back into a suite right out of the 1990's. And that is exactly what many of the old-time users what to see happen.

tr6

tr6

Hey, my kids asked me why I use Opera ok. I said that in my post. It's not that I'm out there trying to justify to everyone why I do. It was my kids alright!

In your second paragraph, it was nice to see you had the need to justify it to everyone though. That was classic !

I also have said I'm NOT one that has thousands of bookmarks. However, in one breath you say your not telling anyone how many bookmarks they should have, and in the next, you say they are ridiculous for having so many. Perhaps you shouldn't pass judgment on other Opera users!

I said that I don't expect the "Opera Team" to make a good bookmarks manager.

I've said more than once here, I like the new opera.

None of the kids today are going to switch over to Opera though. Like it or not, they have no reason to.

Did I mention I like the new Opera! I l i k e Opera 20!! Geeze....

ogutaibrahim

ogutaibrahim

is good opera

tr6

tr6

is good opera

yes

Deleted User

Deleted User

Opera rocks and when you consider how far they have come in the past several months, you have to applaud the development team.

andrey8688

andrey8688

From version 15 I discovered a very good software for bookmarks called "Linkman". There is a free version too. Linkman works in Opera 20 too. Linkman can launch bookmarks in Opera, Firefox, Chrome etc. Try it.

herrpietrus

herrpietrus

I think taht neater bookamrks extension also works well. It only doesn't let us create new folders, but i can be done via bookarks bar, we usually create folders not so often...

Deleted User

Deleted User

Linkman Lite is the free version mentioned by andrey8688 and found here:
http://download.cnet.com/Linkman-Lite/3000-2370_4-10912728.html

Here is a YouTube tutorial on how it works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9k-wVDwYtw

christoph142

christoph142

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A Former User

The video is work fine now in Opera 12.16 and Opera 20. Probably you just needed to refresh the page.

meridivs

meridivs

I wonder if these new versions of Opera have any kind of customer input behind them. To me it looks like they're based on some sort of "we know better" kind of design...

Maybe it's time to start looking for a browser that could listen along with setting new trends.

The last Opera was a shock - I agree with the users saying that we needed Opera to be a browser we can also work with... It gives a clear picture of how much the design team care about their users.

If we would need a dumb browser like IE then why in the world we should install another dumbed-down Opera 20?!

heimwerker

heimwerker

I dont need any comments here from wiseguys to the extent "clean up your bookmarks" or "create new folders" .. I want ALL of my existing bookmarks back, they represent years of selecting them and keeping them in a nice an useful order.

So please, Opera: give us pour bookmarks back! The nice way of toggling them at the left side of the screen was one of the main reasons for me to use Opera !

Deleted User

Deleted User

I wonder if these new versions of Opera have any kind of customer input behind them. To me it looks like they're based on some sort of "we know better" kind of design...
Maybe it's time to start looking for a browser that could listen along with setting new trends.
The last Opera was a shock - I agree with the users saying that we needed Opera to be a browser we can also work with... It gives a clear picture of how much the design team care about their users.
If we would need a dumb browser like IE then why in the world we should install another dumbed-down Opera 20?!

I can work with the new Opera but then, I'm adaptable and I like both challenges and learning new things. You evidently do not so many it IS time you found a new browser... something more in keeping with your brilliant mind that can't accept dumbed-down browsers.

A Former User

I like the new opera now that I have become accustomed to many of the changes. However, I do like my bookmarks and I do get tired of the likes of Leushino telling me to either get used to not having them, that I am ridiculous for wanting them or just f off to another browser. Arrogant is him.

berng

berng

I like the new opera now that I have become accustomed to many of the changes. However, I do like my bookmarks and I do get tired of the likes of Leushino telling me to either get used to not having them, that I am ridiculous for wanting them or just f off to another browser. Arrogant is him.

He didn't say that. He said get used to it for now or use another browser. He, like most of us, assumes it will be improved. But those who insists they can't really live with this, would change to a browser that meets their needs.

The people he tells to F off are the demanding whiners.

I like the new Opera browser more than Presto due to site compatibility, fixed print issues and actual copy of text with all the formatting and links into other docs (like ODF). It was annoying having to jump to Firefox due to Presto deficiencies. However, I agree that Opera bookmarks leave a lot to be desired.