Can Opera browser desktop add options for tab hibernation and tab grouping for heavy users in-built?
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ROCKKER-55 last edited by ROCKKER-55
@leocg said in Can Opera browser desktop add options for tab hibernation and tab grouping for heavy users in-built?:
Workspaces don't help much. It doesn't explain what it is. Neither it is like a tab container like firefox where each session is different and isn't in relation to any other nor it is a session manager as it overlaps and mixes everything. I tried it many times but avoided it ever since.
And for "And Chromium discards tabs that are kept in the background for some time." I don't understand why you are focused on Chromium when I am using opera which has its own mechanism and structure different from chrome, or brave, or even Vivaldi. I requested something you didn't understand maybe you arent using opera as much as I am across on any platform for work. I have to take the help of firefox which does provide some sense of support to power users and even google understood it through chrome tab grouping. Opera team doesn't understand it, old users.
The saddest part is that there is no such addon in opera store that does give control to users about tab suspension or hibernation without closing them and letting them keep it the way they were before the closing of the browser. And those that exist are outdated, not updated, or lose all the tabs. Firefox has created many extensions to support users by themselves. Opera should also have done it apart from the default adblocker and VPN both of which doesn't do the job as promoted.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@ROCKKER-55 Opera is a Chromium based browser like Chrome, Edge, Vivaldi and many others.
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ROCKKER-55 last edited by ROCKKER-55
@leocg I think you are not reading anything I posted here. Just keeping only with what you want to say irrespective of the conversation. Go and use browsers you say as they have the features I just mentioned. Even chrome is based on Chromium engine.
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ROCKKER-55 last edited by
@leocg I never saw it in the settings or in the options when right click is done on any tabs like in vivaldi I can do same and enable hibernate tab option for that tab or multiples. I dont know from where you are telling that tab hibernate or suspension option exists. I am using opera since opera wasnt opera at all.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@ROCKKER-55 It's a default Chromium behavior since a few versions ago.
There is no setting.
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ROCKKER-55 last edited by ROCKKER-55
@leocg said in Can Opera browser desktop add options for tab hibernation and tab grouping for heavy users in-built?:
It's a default Chromium behavior since a few versions ago.
What has "It's a default Chromium behavior since a few versions ago." has to do with this?
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@ROCKKER-55 Chromium discards tabs that are in background, what is basically the same as putting them in hibernation.
See https://www.reddit.com/r/operabrowser/comments/jow8l6/how_to_disable_autorefresh_on_tabs/
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A Former User last edited by
Tab-grouping like in Vivaldi would certainly help to manage huge amounts of open tabs, work spaces are too limited in that regard. In fact Opera had such a feature in the past....
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A Former User last edited by
Why people do like to copy Vivaldi solutions here I do not understand. Use the damn Vivaldi if you so much cherish and like, not paying real attention to the Workspaces solution. Stacking in Vivaldi is the least productive option I've met for many years.
Workspaces are far more visionary and efficient than the ungainly Vivaldi's Stack. But one has to have the deep need to use Opera with all it offers (as it is now), not turning to another wishful thinking list and trying to change Opera into Vivaldi Bis.
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sevic last edited by
@pavelopdev said in Can Opera browser desktop add options for tab hibernation and tab grouping for heavy users in-built?:
Why people do like to copy Vivaldi solutions here I do not understand. Use the damn Vivaldi if you so much cherish and like, not paying real attention to the Workspaces solution. Stacking in Vivaldi is the least productive option I've met for many years.
Workspaces are far more visionary and efficient than the ungainly Vivaldi's Stack. But one has to have the deep need to use Opera with all it offers (as it is now), not turning to another wishful thinking list and trying to change Opera into Vivaldi Bis.
Vivaldi are far from the first to have tab stacking/grouping though, hell Opera had it themselves back in version 11.0. It's really not about copying their features, it's about implementing useful features to enhance the browser (and something Opera once had). Opera's old implementation was also quite a bit different from Vivaldi's using a collapsible design to show only the active tab with a small arrow button next to it to expand the rest of the group, have a look at this image below I just took using Opera 12.18 for what it looked like with tabs in both horizontal and vertical positions (something Opera is still sorely missing and a killer feature for me) -
Also if you enable popup thumbnails when hovering over a tab you could quickly & easily view all the tabs in the group and switch between them by clicking their thumbnail without having to expand the stack. Vivaldi does this as well which is its implementations only saving grace that actually makes it usable, they just need to improve the design of the tab groups in the tab bar which is just terrible and pales to old Opera's collapsible design.
And while workspaces is indeed a very useful feature you cannot argue that tab stacking like this wouldn't also be very useful in its own right, both can easily co-exist and work together to complement the user experience in different ways. The existence of workspaces is no reason not to implement such tab stacking.
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A Former User last edited by
@sevic I fully agree with your points. I'm very thankful for your thorough explanations, as well. Yes, I overlooked the old Opera stacks, albeit I used the browser back in Time fascinated by "multi window canvass" solution (sort of tiles).
What worries me deeply is the "Bond's standard procedure" aka answer from Opera forums main moderator - "if Chromium has it so Opera will have". Substitute his words with whatever you like (expletives are allowable).
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andrew84 last edited by andrew84
@sevic said in Can Opera browser desktop add options for tab hibernation and tab grouping for heavy users in-built?:
tabs in both horizontal and vertical positions
By the way, Edge has implemented smth. similar (most probably recently).
It offers tabs grouping (as far I know this is Chromium's default feature) + horizontal tabs feature. Each group can have its own color/name and also collapsable.
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sevic last edited by
@pavelopdev Yeah the old multi document interface of the old Opera with each tab in their own mini window inside the main one was great. I'd really love to see a browser implement a MDI design like that again though I doubt it will happen any time soon, Vivaldi does have page tiling which is handy but it's not the same.
Hopefully since Chromium has added collapsible tab groups though it will make its way into Opera soon, though after some testing their implementation still needs quite a bit of work as you cannot use a tab while its collapsed so you need the group expanded which kinda kills the part of the reason to use tab groups.
@andrew84 Wow didn't know Edge implemented vertical tabs, just checked it out now on the dev build and it still needs a bit of work too such as being able to customise the width of the tab panel or changing position to the right instead of left. Still it's great to see another browser adding native vertical tabs, it's been a killer feature for me since I switched to Opera as my main browser back in 2007 and then Vivaldi since 2017 (after Opera stupidly changing the delayed loading behaviour of tabs by removing the ability to only load when activated). With Edge making the feature more mainstream it will be interesting to see if other browsers will implement their own vertical tabs.
For the tab grouping they are indeed using the Chromium solution which like I said above it also needs a bit of work still, but it's a start and will hopefully find its way into Opera soon too.
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A Former User last edited by
a combination of the old Opera 12.x collapsed tabs and Vivaldi's "mouse over scroll wheel tab switching feature" for stacked tabs would be great.
Vivaldi has less useful tab popup thumbnails than Opera 12.x, like many other features which were copied over but still unpolished, while Opera 15++ dropped them completely....
