Posts made by bigmell

@maxhoffman I don't think they are gonna fix it man. Whenever I ask they either say close some tabs or just disable it altogether.

@burnout426
Ahoy burnout!

Aye thanks again man for this post and the other one showing me how to restore from the session file. It was right on time because I was trying another (I better not all cap that for emphasis I might get banned again) tab extension that doesnt seem to work properly.

https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/save-tabs/

This thing started closing down all my tabs while freezing opera every couple seconds. I tried to stop it but every time opera would unfreeze it would close a couple more tabs. I eventually had to ctrl+alt+delete and force close the Opera process. I had recently saved my tab session having read your previous post here

https://forums.opera.com/topic/68959/where-are-opera-tabs-and-tab-groups-stored

One thing to note is that you can not save the current session file while Opera is running. That file is locked somehow and you cant do anything to it. You can only save the previous two session files. One of those files should be an exact copy of the current session so it should be ok. There are normally three there including the current one from what I have seen. I saved away both the Session_ and the Tabs_ files earlier that day.

I restored those files from backup and all the tabs came back but I couldnt see the webpages themselves. It seemed like opera was still partially frozen. I think it was something weird with the previous crash. There was also an opera update waiting. So I launched the update, restarted Opera and then the tabs restored from the backup session. That happened just last night so I can mostly confirm that restoring those session files should work.

So yea go to opera://about and it will give you the path of your opera folder. Go there, then the Default folder, and in the Default folder the Sessions folder. Note that you want the Profile path or the one that says "roaming" in the path, not the one that says "local". On my machine (I use opera next also called opera beta) this path was

C:\Users\ [username] \AppData\Roaming\Opera Software\Opera Next\Default\Sessions

I put the Session_ files and the Tabs_ files in a folder named opera.tab.backup.6.20.2024. I also moved that folder into a separate directory in case something goes wrong with opera and it over-writes the directory somehow. I figure if you backup like that periodically you will not have to worry about catastrophic data loss, only the tabs you opened since the last backup, which sucks but is more reasonable than losing everything. So save the session whenever you are doing something important and that seems like it should save you from catastrophic data loss.

Also I see a couple tools that might be able to read the snss session files. It would be really nice if that file was in plain text so that if I wanted to, for example, go through all of my many tabs and pick and choose which to close with checkboxes I could do so. Doing this through the UI tab interface is slow, clunky, and difficult. I would like a page where I can scroll through a long list of my tabs and see the title of the page, the URL, and an optional screenshot of the webpage itself. And from there I can click a checkbox and close multiple tabs at once instead of one by one. I wouldnt mind that on the speed dial under the news. Most other solutions only give the option to close all tabs or leave them all open which is why there tends to be so many open. There is no reasonable way to directly manage this.

The best solution I have found otherwise is the Easy Tab Manager extension located here.

https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/easy-tab-manager/

It shows the entire list of tabs by name, you can hold control and click on multiple tabs you want to close, and then close maybe 5-10 at once instead of painfully scrolling around and closing them one by one. However if you try to close a lot like 20-50 at a time it might freeze on you and just not close anything.

Yea I think its kind of unreasonable that the official stance on tab management is "just close all those tabs and shut up." While the developers spend a huge amount of time rounding off all the corners, and with the recent update putting emoji's on the top of every tab wtf? Tab islands were a decent idea, but never worked right and scrolled your tab list around automatically making you lose your current tab position. Which is a big problem when you have a lot of tabs open. "Ctrl ~" will go back to the previous tab, but sometimes you need more functionality than this.

Not perfect, but at least now you can avoid catastrophic data loss.

Good luck!

@leocg

you should never reply to an almost one year old topic

I am a career computer scientist and have been actively reading and posting to forums since the mid 90s and I completely disagree that you should "never" reply to an almost one year old topic. Almost one year old is a relatively young topic as I have responded to topics 5-10 years old and ultimately had correspondence with the new people having the exact same problem.

unless you have the ultimate solution for the problem

I also argue that I have indeed posted the ultimate solution for the problem. My solution told the poster how to back up his opera session so that his tabs could be restored in case of catastrophic data loss. I also gave a secondary solution where he could periodically save all his tabs to the speed dial. I have posted not one but two solutions to this problem.

or having the exactly same problem.

I also refer to the part where I said

"I had a chat with xfinity and the chat window opened an additional small window. I didnt see this and closed the main window while the chat window was still open. When I reopened opera all my tabs were gone and only the chat window was restored. I was able to use "restore last session" or I would have lost all my tabs then."

So yes I have also had the exact same problem. Then after all this, you banned me for two days.
"User banned

Sorry, this account has been banned until 6/16/2024, 10:20:48 AM (Reason: Caps lock)"

I realize you are the moderator, but I found this to be completely unreasonable. There were 915 words in my response, and I was banned because I capitalized 5 or 10 of almost 1000 words for emphasis? I think that was a little unreasonable man. I was capitalizing for emphasis and there were really no insults or bad behavior involved.

I have been using Opera daily for over 25 years now and I feel I was just banned for something completely trivial.

@cllaymenn

Ahoy!

There used to be an option when you right clicked on the tab bar it said "restore last session." I had a chat with xfinity and the chat window opened an additional small window. I didnt see this and closed the main window while the chat window was still open. When I reopened opera all my tabs were gone and only the chat window was restored. I was able to use "restore last session" or I would have lost all my tabs then.

However I do not see this option anymore as one of these new "updates" seems to have removed this useful option. The "updates" have been removing useful functionality for quite some time now. While adding functionality that doesnt quite work right like tab islands. The only other option I see is every so often right click on the tab bar and "click save all tabs as speed dial folder". You would have to do this every so often so you might lose the most recent tabs but the bulk of them will be on the speed dial. I do it every months or so since this happened.

Of course an opera "update" removed the speed dial almost entirely. But they were kind enough to put it back after over 20 years of use. You know opera invented the speed dial right? Thats why a lot of people use opera in the first place and they decided to remove it? Anyway... The "new" speed dial icon is still very blurry but at least it works again.

The only other option I have seen is to save away the opera tab session file itself. According to the following post

https://forums.opera.com/topic/68959/where-are-opera-tabs-and-tab-groups-stored

I have never tried this myself although I did backup all the files there. Go to the directory path which is
C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Roaming\Opera Software\Opera Stable\Default

I use Opera Next so I use that path instead of Opera Stable. The files you are looking for are named something like
Session_13348571665369126
Session_13348656000326931
Tabs_13348571665673553
Tabs_13348656002298614

You will want to periodically save those files away in case something happens to your tabs. It keeps a couple sessions as spare so that day your tabs disappeared, theoretically if you went in this directory the previous tab and sessin files would have still been there and you could have erased the new session and reloaded the most recent other session and your tabs would have been restored. I would say look around for session files and if you see a big one like 50kb or so your tabs might still be in there.

Operas stance on the matter seems to be just close them all and to hell with your tabs. Open new ones and only use a couple at a time. But for long time users that plan on using lots of tabs, between saving away the session and tab files, and "save all tabs as speed dial" you might be able to avoid catastrophic loss of all your tabs.

I have a question for admins @leocg These files are unfortunately encrypted and not in plain text? I have no idea why. But it makes it so that you can only manage your tabs through the slow and cumbersome opera gui interface which only shows about 20 tabs at a time. There are some tab managers but they are painfully slow as well. IMO the way to fix this problem would be to make the file with the list of all the tabs a plain Text file. That way this file can simply be edited and tabs can be managed in a way that would be much more convenient and no longer Operas problem other than simply loading them from the file. Much better than "open less tabs and shut up" which seems to have been Operas stance on the matter for the last couple years.

I have been using opera for over 25 years now. A tab seems to be some metadata around a url. I seriously dont understand why a simple plaintext file called "opentabs.txt" with a list of currently opened urls isnt used. Then users would be able to store and modify their tabs at will all using that file. I feel downtrodden upon for having too many tabs open, while the problem seems to be opera currently handles tabs poorly and in a slow and cumbersome manner, as well as partially encrypting what should be a plain text file listing my open tabs. I have 64 gigs of ram, which is more than enough to handle yes many thousands of tabs. My music player handles many thousand songs. My movie player handles many thousand movies. Why does my browser not handle many thousand tabs?

They should simply be loaded from a plain text file that would only be about 100kb large like the current encrypted sessions file. Opera is currently using 3 gigs of ram and I have never seen it use more than about 16 gigs. There should be more than enough space to handle a nearly infinite amount of tabs, and a plaintext file with a listing of tabs and perhaps the page title should be more than sufficient to solve this problem unless it is simply not coded properly.

Alter the file, then right click option "reload tabs from file" and now users can manage their own tabs instead of waiting for Opera to do it. It appears Opera just doesnt want to be bothered with large tab sessions. Their idea "tab islands" was broken upon release and they seem completely uninterested in fixing it.

@burnout426

Ahoy!

If I wanted to alter this file to close some tabs and do some general purpose tab management, how would that be possible? I tried opening the file in notepad and it didnt open right. It appears to have some kind of encoding. Is there some program I can use to open it and read it in plain text?

@burnout426
Ahoy man thanks for responding so fast. I didnt mention I am using opera next or opera beta instead of opera stable. I just went to the opera next folder and used that one and it worked. The last two custom searches I created a while ago were missing but the rest were there. Thanks for helping man. Also the search bar on the speed dial has returned which I also wanted back.

Quick question though, mouseover isnt working every time for some reason. Its not completely broken but kinda sometimey. Any info about that?

The last minor issue was the speed dial icon next to the address bar is really blurry. This is kind of recent like someone changed the icon. When you open the speed dial in a tab, the speed dial icon on the top of the tab is not blurry like still the same as the original one. Is there a quick kind of fix for this?

Thanks again man. I been using opera for over 20 years now. Still the best. I actually liked it better before they switched to all the chome stuff.

I had about 10 or so custom searches set up for over 10 years in opera next and now after the latest update they are all gone. Do I have to re-add all these manually or is this a bug that will be fixed soon?

@bigmell
Ahoy!
Ok I used it for a couple hours today after disabling tab islands yesterday. It seems like when I click on the tabs that are not in the tab islands, it works fine. But if I click the older tabs that are in tab islands, it will jump back to the left side.

So after disabling tab islands, it will work if I click on a tab that is not in a tab island.

@john-smith-007
It doesnt seem to be working for me. I disabled tab islands and that didnt work. I have a lot of tab islands open is there a way to move them all out at once? I moved a couple out of the tab island but it still didnt work. And is the speed dial icon blurry for anyone else? The other ones are fine, but the last update that one looks blurry.

Re: Scroll bar moving always to the lef side when closing tab

@leocg
I have posted a topic on the same problem located here...
https://forums.opera.com/topic/65362/clicking-on-any-tab-scrolls-all-the-way-back-to-the-first-tab

It has been many months now and still no solution to this problem. Is there any update on this? Is there any confirmation that any one is even working on this? Have I posted in the right place on the forum? Am I asking the right people for help? Every time I click on a tab it scrolls all the way back to the first tab for so many months please can someone at least have a look at this bug?

@drraziel

Yea man, sorry to report I am still having this problem in both opera beta and opera developer. It seems like a simple matter of someone put in some code to move the tab bar to the left edge, but they havent worked on it yet as far as I can tell.

I use ctrl+` to go to the last active tab and sometimes that helps. Also ctrl+shift+tab will show the last couple tabs you had open. Ctrl+pgup and Ctrl+pgdn will move forward and back one tab. But it is extremely annoying. I know I cant be the only one having this issue but no one has fixed it in all these months.

@mubaidr
I think its a great addon, I wish I could search through the tabs using it though. I have a LOT of tabs open and sometimes it would be easier than having to scroll through it manually.

If you right click on the horizontal scrollbar, there is a new option there for left edge and right edge. I would bet someone left some code in there that automatically scrolls back to the left edge in certain conditions, and they didnt have enough tabs open to notice it was scrolling away from the tab that was open.

If you open a tab that is not on the current horizontal scrollbar screen (ie you have to scroll to get there), it should not automatically scroll to the first tab (or left edge) it should put the open tab in the middle of the horizontal scrollbar, or the right edge if there are none to the right of it.

I have been using ctrl+~ to try and get it to scroll back to the last tab when it auto jumps to the left edge, but it doesnt always work. Sometimes it is hard to find where the tab is on the scrollbar. Disclaimer I have a lot of tabs open.

It didnt used to do this though. Whatever the behavior was before this was fine. It was working fine in Opera beta, but broken in Opera Developer. Then they updated Opera beta in August and it was broken in both and has been ever since.

@mormani
Ahoy! Thanks for the response I see it is working. I went to settings and it is under start page/show start page button. Cool man they removed the button I did use and replaced it with a bunch of buttons I dont use. I was using alt+home and that worked but it is a bit nicer to have the old button. Really appreciate it!

Now the only problem I am struggling with is with a lot of tabs the tab bar scrolls all the way back to the first tab when I change tabs. This bug has been in opera dev for a while too. I hit ctrl+~ to go back to the last tab, but it doesnt always scroll back to the one I want and I have to manually scroll around to find the tab I am looking for. Wouldnt have been a problem if it didnt auto-scroll back to the first tab. Doh. Somebody else has to have noticed. But things are a lot better than they were for a while there.

Hey,

My computer just rebooted and an update was installed. The tab horizontal scrollbar is open and now whenever I click on a tab it automatically scrolls away from the current tab I am using all the way back to the very first tab.

I noticed opera developer has been doing this for about a month as well, but now opera beta is doing the same thing. Is there any way to stop this and revert to the old behavior? Perhaps have the tab scrollbar stop wherever the current open tab is? I think that is what it did before the recent update.

Thanks guys, any help is greatly appreciated

@jayfreddy
Yea, not using the side bar. I and probably every one else here are referring to the speed dial button that was right next to the URL box. There are currently 8 Yay New icons next to the url bar. All new crap nobody uses, but they removed the one that people DID use, which was the speed dial.

Upgrades are faster better faster better so much faster so much better. Only it seems like every upgrade they take away something that I was using, and replace it with something I dont want to use. I have been using opera since the 90s. Now the same thing I have been doing for the last 20 years is impossible, doesnt work right, or my computer is now somehow too slow. It seemed to work fine before you guys "fixed" it.

This is turning into the plumber coming to fix the pipes. He will make everything so much better. But he actually breaks what was previously working, aint good enough to fix it, and disappears. This upgrade crap is how a bunch of computer guys want to hold onto their jobs forever. They are fixing it and making it so much better. Only it doesnt run as good as it used to, and all the minor cosmetic changes are like bad art work. Painting smiley faces over the Mona Lisa because its old and stupid apparently.

@stanislavstratil
Ahoy, still sucks no solution so far. From what I've seen it seems opera wants to get rid of the speed dial. Despite the fact that they invented it and I have always found it incredibly useful. The transparency effects are very blurry, makes it hard to focus, and there appears to be no option to go back to the way it was with the speed dial button and the block colors as of 6/19/2023. The developers seem to have completely removed it or want to. Luckily there are still some shortcuts.

1. If you are using mouse gestures, right click and hold, drag down, then release click for the speed dial in a new tab.
2. If you want to type it you can type opera://startpageshared in the url box.
3. The keyboard shortcut for the speed dial is alt+home and it will take you instantly there in the current tab.

I had to create some of my own icons for the speed dial by changing the colors around manually and downloading some off the net. I replaced almost all the blurry ones and will finish the rest soon. The current page is way too blurry like everybody is wearing bifocals or something. I had about 30 speed dial icons and did a little more than half. Really sucks that I have to do it on my own now when it used to be the default.

Ahoy!

One of the moderators on reddit answered and said you could change the flag manually, but it is not in the settings tab. You have to go to this URL
opera://flags/#scrollable-tab-strip

And set "Enable tab scrolling when many tabs are open" to Enabled. You will have to restart Opera then hopefully it should be back to normal from before the upgrade. It worked for me, I had so many tabs open I couldnt read them or tell them apart to click them but it is back to the same as pre-update now.

Thank God the other way is pretty much unusable especially with a lot of tabs open. This is the reddit link
https://old.reddit.com/r/OperaGX/comments/105pa4b/i_disabled_horizontal_tab_scrolling_on_opera_gx/

And thank God this wasnt one of the reddits that went dark, no way I would have figured that out by myself.