Jon von Tetzchner, Opera's founder and former CEO spoke to The Register
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
... and otherwise life will go on much as it always has. :rolleyes:
Yup. That's really the bottom line here. Nothing has changed and nothing will change. You either accept it or you move on. No other viable choice presents itself (and I don't consider remaining with a Presto version as viable...not in the long run). Sooner or later y'all gotta make a decision. Make it and get over it.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
No, he's saying Opera is now more like an aftermarket body kit maker than like a car manufacturer.* Ads are completely irrelevant to the point.
Exactly!
I thought it was self-evident for anybody who's reading my post. -
tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Another quote I've shared countless times:
"The switch to using Chromium was an engineering-led decision, not a management decision to cut costs. It allows us to get an engine that thousands of developers work on (including our own, and we commit changes back for any other browser to use), that is compatible with most big websites and that we can build on top of." - Bruce Lawson from Opera SoftwareBruce also said, "We took the decision that rather than paying engineers to maintain feature parity with other rendering engines, It seemed to be to us a much better way of using our resources, to take this open source rendering engine [WebKit], which is great, and then divert those engineers to do really cool sh*t".
Source: http://www.acquia.com/resources/podcasts/acquia-podcast-73-opera-browser-goes-webkitNot sure what "cool sh*t" Opera has done since abandoning Presto, hell they can't even get bookmarks to work even with their freed up "resources", but to say that this wasn't a management decision to reduce cost is simply untrue. And they didn't just change the rendering engine, they changed their whole philosophy. From the rendering engine to the user interface, Opera 15+ is more of a copy of Chrome than an upgrade from Presto.
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missingno last edited by
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Are Opera 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20 illusions?
Why don't you ask some Linux users? Also, it should more read like Opera 0.x, 0.x, 0.x, 0.x, 0.x and 0.499 maybe as progress is slow and basic features are still missing for sure.
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blueboyns last edited by
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
...I know it's weird because of course it could be monetized, but there are no sources to back that for some reason. You can only find wild guesses from angry whiners.
wow...just wow
This must be a new low even for this place. -
frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by Tradeofjane:
to say that this wasn't a management decision to reduce cost is simply untrue.
Well, why would Bruce lie?
Saying it came from engineering logically means it came from the management within engineering, but not from the company's overarching management. That makes his statement unnecessarily and perhaps misleadingly pedantic. (more)Originally posted by missingno:
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Are Opera 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20 illusions?
Why don't you ask some Linux users?
Bravo!
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tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by Tradeofjane:
to say that this wasn't a management decision to reduce cost is simply untrue.
Well, why would Bruce lie?
Saying it came from engineering logically means it came from the management within engineering, but not from the company's overarching management. That makes his statement unnecessarily and perhaps misleadingly pedantic. (more)Bruce works in the Developer Relations Department at Opera, which is responsible for creating and nurturing the developer community while leveraging the total community resources towards the software vendor's goals. He also works in the the Web Standards Department at Opera Software, which explains why he's in favor of using Chromium. He's also wrong about this being an engineering-led decision as even he states that Opera made the decision rather than paying engineers to maintain feature parity with other rendering engines. Engineers aren't going to lead on a decision to put themselves out of a job. The move to piggybacking off of Chromium was a decision made by management, NOT engineering, in order to avoid paying to develop their own engine by using one that was already available and being worked on for free.
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A Former User last edited by
@rafaelluik
Why would current Opera employees had more credibility than former?
You really expect that Bruce, Haavard or CEO in some interview... gonna publicly say "well, we f***ed up"... ?
I don't remember when application (exclude OS) disappointed so many users, and caused so many negative critics and comments all over the Net.And of top of that, communication from Opera side could be summarized in "we dong give a sh*t about users opinion".
Bruce and Blazej tried to fix that last summer, after first (or second) wave of disappointment.
But it's all left on attempt. -
Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by vux777:
And of top of that, communication from Opera side could be summarized in "we dong give a sh*t about users opinion".
Bruce and Blazej tried to fix that last summer, after first (or second) wave of disappointment.
But it's all left on attempt.You call it "fix", I would call it damage control spin.
You can't fix things with bla, bla, bla.
Neither can you put somebody off for ever, not even the most naive. -
A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by missingno:
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Are Opera 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20 illusions?
Why don't you ask some Linux users?
Bravo!
So Linux users don't know that Opera 15+ exists? I didn't know they were so uninformed.
Originally posted by vux777:
Why would current Opera employees had more credibility than former?
Why would the former have more credibility?? Please, why did you even care to write this?
Originally posted by vux777:
You really expect that Bruce, Haavard or CEO in some interview... gonna publicly say "well, we f***ed up"... ?
But did they fu**** up? I suspect we won't see the number of users going down in the next quarters. Also, there's a long-term benefit of the switch that's worth the current situation.
Originally posted by vux777:
I don't remember when application (exclude OS) disappointed so many users, and caused so many negative critics and comments all over the Net.
Are them all valid criticism? No. Bookmarks and Link are valid criticism IMO. Just shouting "it's a Chrome clone" or "I don't want to use extension for X" them move to another browser where you'll need to add a lot more extensions to add features to make it Opera-like are not.
And the "critics" you mention that just yesterday didn't give a shit about Opera and its features and are clearly users of other browsers (easily discoverable by past articles / social media profiles)? Haha...
Originally posted by vux777:
And of top of that, communication from Opera side could be summarized in "we dong give a sh*t about users opinion".
How so? Because a couple of users miss X then they should bring the browser to an insane level of features to be maintained again (and without even completely integrating the Chromium code / finishing to build the "solid foundation")? How is it going in suggesting features to Mozilla/Google/Microsoft/Apple teams?
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
There are a couple of threads created by one-time posters and recently created accounts with rants that don't cite a single feature that they miss.
Oh really.
This forum, right?
Let's make a quick tally based on topic titles.
bookmarks
bookmarks
skins/appearance
bookmarks
bookmarks
Link
"disgruntled" -> non-descriptive title, but the content clearly says RSS, bookmarks, mail
Linux
bookmarks
Menu bar
That was just within the first twenty topics or so, and the others didn't relate to missing features (unless you count YouTube in HD as a missing feature). Feel free to continue the exercise by yourself.Not a single feature mentioned.
You might want to tread the rest of my post. I said there's valid feedback also. You exaggerated bookmarks, among the threads there are other things. The point: they're already bringing bookmarks back but they also have other stuff to do. And it's obvious M2 won't come back. And it's obvious the Linux version will come. And it's obvious a menu bar would be the most useless feature to be implemented. Skinning doesn't fit as something that should be prioritized right now if implemented at all (BTW in that thread the user doesn't cite *what* he uses from the Appearance dialog and the subject quickly diverted to default search engine option, "it's a Chrome clone" and vague statements, and a person mentioned he wanted to personalize the size of the UI because of his hi-def display, well Opera is already working in providing proper HiDPI support).
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Why would the former have more credibility?? Please, why did you even care to write this?
Discussing with you is like discussing with religious fanatic.... God did it
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by vux777:
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Why would the former have more credibility?? Please, why did you even care to write this?
Discussing with you is like discussing with religious fanatic.... God did it
The same could be said for you. Just sayin. :p
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missingno last edited by
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
So Linux users don't know that Opera 15+ exists?
At least some of them. As approximatly 5 billion people on earth don't know that Opera exists. Give or take one billion. -.-
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by missingno:
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
So Linux users don't know that Opera 15+ exists?
At least some of them. As approximatly 5 billion people on earth don't know that Opera exists. Give or take one billion. -.-
Hahaha
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Deleted User last edited by
Another interview with Jon von Tetzchner, which appeared today in the German magazine c't'.
It contains some information about the changes at the company, and the switch to Opera 15.
It is in German, so you may need to use a web translator.
Interesting Detail: Opera 12 is said to contain an Easter Egg, a symbolic farewell letter to von Tetzchner from the developers.
Anyone knows how to make it visible?
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serious last edited by
Originally posted by Sawo:
Anyone knows how to make it visible?
from the screenshot it looks like you need to set up mail and enable tab thumbnails.
Edit: to be exact, the image is located in the standard_skin.zip as thumbnails/mail.png. Most interestingly the writing looks like the name actually reads "Jon S. von Tetzcher" though it could be my imagination as the resultion is really not that high
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Deleted User last edited by
That would be very cool if someone could reveal what was in that Easter egg.
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stevenjcee last edited byOriginally posted by rafaelluik:
2. "Just to put an end to these rumors once and for all: The same people are still working on the desktop browser. Some of us have been here for more than 10 years. The difference, perhaps, is that we have more people now than we used to. That's how we can do proper integration on all platforms. We actually have the resources to do a properly integrated user interface now.
Well, if the same talented developers that created what Opera once was are still there, PLUS, they now have even more people helping them out, then why is it taking them so very long to incorporate something as basic as Bookmarks, especially knowing this is driving many long-time users away, and I can't imagine newbies checking it out, being willing to use a browser they can't use & manage bookmarks, to aid in their browsing & work?
Finally, why must it be so intolerable to you & some of the others, that posters may simply not agree with your take on things, whether you are fine without Bookmarks or not, etc? Most people here are discussing the many issues involved in the changes at Opera, yet unless one conforms with your views, they are worthy of scorn, disrespect, and ridicule? Perhaps you should read the Forum's purpose & guidelines, along with the rest of the mega-posting crew here, for you all violate the letter & spirit of this forum more than anyone else..... And perhaps looking up the word: "discussion" may be enlightening, as well....
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Originally posted by leushino:
That would be very cool if someone could reveal what was in that Easter egg.
