How Many Bookmarks Do you Have?

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Originally posted by serious:

Opera loses because it cannot fit the user's needs.

Losers lose out because they can neither adapt to change, nor be content with an old version.

[ervin74]

ervin74 last edited by

Originally posted by Pesala:

Losers lose out because they can neither adapt to change, nor be content with an old version.

Why should you adapt to change to something worse than before? The lack of a proper bookmark manager is ridiculous.
That philosophy won't hold in a long run.
What should people do with all their bookmarks? Not those with only 10-50 but those with 500 or more.
How can they be organized, categorized or be structured in a nice pedagogical manner?

So the question remains:
Why do Opera hate the classic bookmark manager so much?
Is that what you called change for the future?
Opera 19 Developer is out now but still no bookmark manager on the horizon.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Originally posted by Ervin74:

Why should you adapt to change to something worse than before?

You don't have to adapt if you don't want to — use the old version, which is what I am doing.

The best philosophy is to deal with things as they are, not as you want them to be.

If or when Opera Next is "good enough" or when Opera 12.16 is too out of date, we will all have to adapt to the way things are at that stage.

Originally posted by Ervin74:

Opera 19 Developer is out now but still no bookmark manager on the horizon.

It is definitely on the horizon, as is customisability. I don't see any sign of Notes or Panels on the horizon yet.

[dvk-ru1]

dvk-ru1 last edited by

Speed dial: 96 links, 13 folders
Stash: 177 links
QAB: not using
In Opera 12, when I was moving to O15, there were ~660 bookmarks, mostly rubbish.

[funksoulbro]

funksoulbro last edited by

I've got 169 in 26 folders. In Opera 12.16 I can access any bookmark with 2 clicks, without leaving the page I'm already on. That's the way it should work. More than 50% of the respondents have over 500 bookmarks, which is a silly amount to expect people to have on something called a "SPEED" dial.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Originally posted by funksoulbro:

More than 50% of the respondents have over 500 bookmarks, which is a silly amount to expect people to have on something called a "SPEED" dial.

Agreed, anything much more than 50 is a silly amount to have on speed dial, but no one has to have all of their bookmarks on speed dial — they can use the Quick Access Bar. With less than 500 bookmarks, anyone could access any bookmarks with 2 clicks without leaving the page. Depending on the length of the folder name (which can be edited) and the width of the monitor, one can fit about 10-20 folders on the QAB, with 20-30 bookmarks in each folder.

[serious]

serious last edited by

Originally posted by Pesala:

Losers lose out because they can neither adapt to change, nor be content with an old version.

or they just move away to other products who listen to what the users want ...

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Originally posted by serious:

or they just move away to other products who listen to what the users want ...

This forum will be a lot better if the losers leave. The constant whining makes it hard to hear any constructive feedback. Opera really don't need to listen to the losers — they do listen to their users.

[artmil]

artmil last edited by

So the user should sit quietly like a mouse and be thankful for everything? What a load of bull...

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Originally posted by artmil:

So the user should sit quietly like a mouse and be thankful for everything?

Not at all. The users should offer constructive feedback, and accept that not all things that he or she wants are possible, nor even desirable for most users.

[serious]

serious last edited by

Originally posted by Pesala:

desirable for most users

... seems to be mostly Opera12, Op15+ does not even show up here: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm

[funksoulbro]

funksoulbro last edited by

Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by serious:

or they just move away to other products who listen to what the users want ...

This forum will be a lot better if the losers leave. The constant whining makes it hard to hear any constructive feedback. Opera really don't need to listen to the losers — they do listen to their users.

Actually, it would be better if they paid attention to the whining, rather than the handful of fanboys who would praise opera even if had had no toolbars, no buttons, and the only website it could display is www.mylittlepony.com.

As for the Quick Access Bar, in Opera 18 if you enable it, it tells you to restart Opera for the change to take effect, but when you do it goes back to being disabled. Utterly useless.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Originally posted by funksoulbro:

As for the Quick Access Bar, in Opera 18 if you enable it, it tells you to restart Opera for the change to take effect, but when you do it goes back to being disabled. Utterly useless.

This is a case in point. You're just whining, not trying to resolve the issue. The QAB is working in 17, 18, and 19. Search the forum to learn how to enable it — it is disabled by default now.

The fanboys are also not worth listening to either, but those repeatedly whining on the blogs for bookmarks or a Linux version, or those posting flame-bait on these forums about the imminent demise of Opera, etc., should be banned — no questions asked.

[funksoulbro]

funksoulbro last edited by

Originally posted by Pesala:

This is a case in point. You're just whining, not trying to resolve the issue. The QAB is working in 17, 18, and 19. Search the forum to learn how to enable it — it is disabled by default now.

I know how to enable it. Did you even read my post? I said that when you enable it, it tells you to restart Opera, but when you do that it just goes back to being disabled again.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Originally posted by funksoulbro:

I know how to enable it.

Apparently not. The opera:flags setting tells you to restart, the checkbox in Settings, shows or hides the QAB once the experimental feature has been enabled by restarting Opera.

I have had enough of your antics. Go back to using Opera 12 or Firefox if you don't want to help with testing and improving Opera Next.

[funksoulbro]

funksoulbro last edited by

*SIGH*

Learn how to read and process information, because it does help a lot when it comes to having conversations.

1. I go into opera:flags and enable it. It tells me to restart Opera.
2. I restart Opera and it's still disabled in opera:flags, therefore there is nothing in Settings relating to it.

And every time I try and enable it, it's just a rinse and repeat of the above.

I know you have a reputation on here as being a bit of a tool - I've seen it mentioned on a couple of other sites (Filehippo, for example) - and now I can see how that reputation was earned.

[frenzie]

frenzie last edited by

Originally posted by funksoulbro:

1. I go into opera:flags and enable it. It tells me to restart Opera.
2. I restart Opera and it's still disabled in opera:flags, therefore there is nothing in Settings relating to it.

And every time I try and enable it, it's just a rinse and repeat of the above.

I had that same problem previously, but in the latest 18/19 dev versions it's actually working for me.

[belphegor666]

belphegor666 last edited by

I made a small oneliner to count all the folders and urls inside the bookmarks.adr from the terminal (shell/bash):

awk '/\#FOLDER/ {folder++} /\#URL/ {url++} BEGIN {folder=0; url=0} END {print("Folders: " folder "\nURLs: " url)}' bookmarks.adr

Of course 'bookmarks.adr' needs to be replaced with the path to where the file resides. On a Mac for the active user account it can be found here:
~/Library/Opera/bookmarks.adr

Result:
Folders: 835
URLs: 6408

And the file itself is now 1.9 MB big.

And what I noticed on two macs with synced bookmarks via opera Link:
The Mac version of Opera 12.16 doesn't handle huge bookmark lists that well. When starting Opera from another user account that hasn't such a massive bookmark list, Opera "feels" much faster and responsive. Especially the problem of the Mac Version, that typing in forms (like now) or the address bar is slow as molasses, seems to be triggered by the bookmarks.

When starting Opera on both macs it takes some time (sometimes > 1 minute) until the bookmark list from the menu is complete. And typing something in the address bar, a form or even using a simple keyboard shortcut like CMD+C takes some seconds (worst case > 10 sec) until the browser becomes responsive again. What is weird, that when copying via menu instead of the shortcut there's no waiting time at all. But that mostly happens once after starting the browser, or sometimes for some reasons after longer times of inactivity. But for whatever reason copying texts via shortcut leads to a few seconds of unresponsiveness more often.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Over a year later, I now have 1280 bookmarks in 85 folders. I am sure that I still have loads that I never use, and some that are broken.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

One month later, I have 1,053 bookmarks in 73 folders.

I deleted all of the broken links to the My Opera Forums. Now I found this thread, I have 1,054 bookmarks and 74 folders.