v25 is an upgrade?

  • Oh come now! Every version up to now has brought along all the user settings and such, but not this one. I truly dislike having tabs along the top (or bottom for that matter), preferring them to be stacked, like books on a table, on the right side. I have found no way to make this happen with 25. If Opera is to be no more than a rebranded Chrome browser what reason is there to stick with it -- as I have been doing since the dark ages.

    As you might guess I am not happy with this latest iteration, or the manner in which it was implemented; thank heavens the 12.17 version was not overwritten as it will remain my mainstay -- at least until A) I'm forced to go to Chrome (the real thing), or 2) Opera regains it's senses.

  • By the way... when searching in the Help section not a single word or phrase gave results. I find this exceedingly odd.

  • Every version up to now has brought along all the user settings and such, but not this one.

    Which version you had before?

  • 12.17

  • ...
    As you might guess I am not happy with this latest iteration, or the manner in which it was implemented; thank heavens the 12.17 version was not overwritten ...

    When you say "the manner in which it was implemented", do you mean the way the new browser/interfaces are designed, or the manner in which the new browser was provided to you (that is, did you install it manually from the Opera website and found that awkward in some way... or was it installed "by surprise" and automatically without you knowing it was coming)?

  • As an enthusiastic but quite average user I was disappointed there was no indication of such a major change... first rattle out of the box the version number more than doubled -- leading me to think that somehow a platform for cell phones or another OS had inadvertently been installed. Then, upon looking at the browser, having inherited absolutely none of my tweaks to the previous version, I was more than a bit concerned about the inability to modify, the lack of many previously available tools and the apparent complete change of style and basic organizational philosophy.

    Somewhat disheartening... enough to start me thinking about switching to another browser -- a previously unthinkable concept. As evidenced by my continued presence here I haven't switched, but other options are being examined.

  • I have a joke about all that - mine - just out of the furnace.

    Q.: I installed new Opera and can't load any pages! :cry:

    A.: You need an extension to browse the Internet. :sherlock:

    ;_;

  • As an enthusiastic but quite average user I was disappointed there was no indication of such a major change... the version number more than doubled ... Then, upon looking at the browser, having inherited absolutely none of my tweaks to the previous version, I was more than a bit concerned about the inability to modify, the lack of many previously available tools and the apparent complete change of style and basic organizational philosophy.
    ... disheartening... enough to start me thinking about switching to another browser ... I haven't switched, but other options are being examined.

    Like many users just installing the new versions for the first time, you've apparently missed all the Opera clamor and angst of the past year and a half... unfortunately, that leaves you with a lot of questions that have been answered repeatedly in this and the MyOpera forum that preceeded it in time, of whose answers you would be unaware.

    In a nutshell, Opera moved from a Presto-engined design of Opera (V12.15) directly to a Blink-engined design of Opera (v)15 around June/July 2013. After that, a couple of security updates have since been issued to the old-engined Opera, bringing it to its latest 12.17 level. The versions in between 12 and 15 were never issued to desktop users for various reasons internal to Opera. The versions above 15 have been incremented as the result of a new rapid-update policy, and have moved up a notch about roughly every 6 weeks or so.

    At the time of the rendering engine changeover, Opera was completely redesigned because of huge architectural differences between the engines, because the new engine was being adopted initially as-is from an "outside-of-Opera" source (chromium), and because Opera wanted to "broaden" its user-base focus to try increasing its marketshare through browser-usage simplification. This all had major impact on existing Opera users and has been (and continues to be) thrashed out by those users in these forums. Heavy users of browsers become very intimate with how their browsers operate and what they have come to rely on - hence changes, especially radical changes, create a lot of user turmoil.

    Again in a nutshell, Opera elected a browser approach like many other browsers that uses mainly 3rd-party extensions to provide various features and configuration/performance control to a more basic and simplistic browser (which Opera supplies), instead of expending Opera developmental effort in trying to place and maintain such features native to the browser. The net result, again, has been "change" impact to users.

    Basically, you're now where I was 18 months ago. In my case, I changed my primary browser (to FF), to accept a lesser level of overall usage change to me than the new Opera required... I can configure FF to look and function a lot like old Opera in some of the key areas that matter most to me. But I continue to monitor Opera's designs in my secondary usage, because their designs continue to evolve and progress... in fact, Opera (like all browsers) has to evolve in order to survive in a fast-changing web world. IMHO, no new Opera version is as useful to me as was the v12.xx series... but v25 is certainly much more useful than was v15.

  • joshl: stop trolling. Your jokes are always meant to demean Opera. If you don't like Opera, why not leave and find a browser and a community that you DO like?

    dant: you are a new poster here and from your words you admit that this has all taken you by surprise. Funny thing is, Opera has been informing us about these changes for close to two years now. Had you been a loyal Opera user you would have known what the company was up to or at least tried to remain informed. Instead you pretend to be shocked by the new browser. Well... if it doesn't float your boat go back to 12.17 and be happy or go to the "real thing" (LOL)... Chrome. Opera HAS come to its senses and will not be returning to Presto so deal with it.

  • blackbird71 said:

    Heavy users of browsers become very intimate with how their browsers operate and what they have come to rely on - hence changes, especially radical changes, create a lot of user turmoil.

    "... user turmoil." hehehehehe
    An excellent descriptor for the situation as seen on this forum.

    Thank you for your considered (and considerate) response, quite unlike the rather snarky remark from leushino:

    Had you been a loyal Opera user you would have known what the company was up to or at least tried to remain informed. Instead you pretend to be shocked by the new browser.

    Although agreeing with her/his "stop trolling" comment it would be a good thing to keep in mind that not everyone has time to frequent the forum... that's just how it is, even for loyal users.

  • 12.17

    Opera 25 is a new browser, which has new features and miss some others.

    It should have imported some of your settings, like speed dials, passwords and so on.

  • Although agreeing with her/his "stop trolling" comment it would be a good thing to keep in mind that not everyone has time to frequent the forum... that's just how it is, even for loyal users.

    I agree. But here's the thing as I see it. If I were an Opera user who had questions regarding the browser and had not had either the time or the inclination to visit the forum on a regular basis, the first thing I would do upon actually logging into the forum would be to use the Search and find out what "had been" going on within the community as well as the company. There are blogs by the developers in which they clearly explain Opera's new browser. There are hundreds of posts outlining the Blink version versus the Presto. There really is very little reason for someone who claims to have not had the time to visit the forums to still remain ignorant of the new browser "if" he took the pains to register and then log into the forum. Mind you - that's my opinion.

  • @leushino The problem is that the search is not that good, it may not be very easy to find what you are looking for.

  • ... the first thing I would do upon actually logging into the forum would be to use the Search and find out what "had been" going on within the community as well as the company.

    Did just that, but as leocg pointed out the search is not that good & I was unable to find satisfactory answers to my queries. As previously noted the built-in Help function in the browser fails to return any results, regardless of the search term. The plan now is to sit back & await further developments.

    Thanks to all for their input!

  • You can run the older v.12 alongside v.25 without any issues.You might want to do something like that to keep an eye on those "further developments." :coffee:

  • You can run the older v.12 alongside v.25 without any issues.You might want to do something like that to keep an eye on those "further developments."

    Exactly my plan. Been using Opera for so many years now it wouldn't be right to just throw in the towel without seeing what happens.

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