Have an own forum for Presto-based Opera versions
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Deleted User last edited by
Opera Presto is dead. Trying to keep alive a dead browser suite is ridiculous. Ultimately most websites will not render properly and there will be security issues to deal with. What is the point? I suppose you could do what the group in DnD did and form your own forum apart from this official Opera forum. But don't expect that Opera will give over space for a dead browser that would only serve to confuse users. There is opportunity to ask your Presto-related questions here in this forum so there is no point in having a separate forum. Do you find Netscape forums alive and running today? Of course not because Netscape is dead and buried. That is the ultimate fate of Presto Opera and you need to deal with it sooner or later.
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A Former User last edited by
There's another forum where you can get help for using the Classic Opera without being harassed by fanboys.
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A Former User last edited by
Leushino, we're all dead - it's only a matter of time that we realise it.
Seriously, you're not dead - when you are, you won't actually realise that.
Neither does Opera
(By the way, the browser I'm typing within now feels perfectly ALIVE!
Opera 11, pseudo-Russian "yedishun":haha:)
There's another forum where you can get help for using the Classic Opera without being harassed by fanboys.
https://vivaldi.net/forum/Pesala, I'm registered there, but those few times I tried it (quite AGO) I didn't like it*:yuck:*
I'm not sure if it'll feel better now...:rolleyes: -
blackbird71 last edited byOpera Presto is dead. Trying to keep alive a dead browser suite is ridiculous. ... What is the point? I suppose you could do what the group in DnD did and form your own forum apart from this official Opera forum. But don't expect that Opera will give over space for a dead browser that would only serve to confuse users. There is opportunity to ask your Presto-related questions here in this forum so there is no point in having a separate forum. Do you find Netscape forums alive and running today? Of course not because Netscape is dead and buried. That is the ultimate fate of Presto Opera and you need to deal with it sooner or later.
@leushino, it may seem ridiculous to you... but those who like Presto's features, configurability, and ability to run on old hardware clearly disagree with you. You obviously know little about the great numbers of users in Africa, South America, Asia, Eastern Europe, and other places who still rely strongly on Presto Opera, growing obsolescence and all. Their systems are old, underpowered, and nearly impossible for them to replace economically... but those systems will run Presto Opera, and it runs well on them. Those users need a place to go to get timely answers when things malfuntion or fail, as things do with all software at times. Yet much of the time, when they ask Presto questions in these forums, their questions are either ignored in the vast pool of questions focused on other versions, or else are mocked by other users claiming the posters have no business still using Presto in the first place. Please stop your preoccupation with, and your apparent crusade, to rid the world (and especially these forums) of all things Presto... your world is not the only world out there. Presto will, indeed, die its own natural death eventually, but there's no need to make things more difficult for those still feeling they must use and maintain it for as long as they possibly can.
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Deleted User last edited by
Leushino, we're all dead - it's only a matter of time that we realise it.
Seriously, you're not dead - when you are, you won't actually realise that.
Neither does Opera (By the way, the browser I'm typing within now feels perfectly ALIVE!
Opera 11, pseudo-Russian "yedishun":haha:)I'm Orthodox, joshl, so I do not accept your dismal prediction of a future without existence and cognizance.
Those who feel you MUST have a separate forum can simply open up a thread entitled: Presto Users Q & A here on this forum and be content. Having two separate forums would only add to confusion.
@blackbird: it's unwise of you to make assumptions as you have done. I'm surprised.
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Deleted User last edited by
And by the way, I'm going to have to agree with joshl's lack of love for Vivaldi. That forum is about as dead a forum as I've seen in a long time. It's hardly a replacement for the Opera forum so you can peddle your wares elsewhere, pesala. And as for fanboys, there are as many Presto fanboys there as there are so-called Opera Blink fanboys here so at least try and be fair about that. You still haven't mastered dispassion, have you pesala. I know... it's a tough row to hoe with a proud personality. (wink wink nod nod say no more)
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Deleted User last edited by
I imagine how Presto forum would work: problems and problems that won't be fixed. Soon or later Presto won't be used anymore.
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blackbird71 last edited by
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@blackbird: it's unwise of you to make assumptions as you have done. I'm surprised.@leushino, I'm not sure what you refer to as "assumptions"... I consider my observations to be "conclusions" drawn from the recurring themes I've observed in so many posts you've made in recent weeks in thread after thread. I realize you're weary of generic whining about Blink... but not all users with Presto issues or Blink complaints are simply whining, and not all users with Presto issues can simply install Blink Opera in their aging systems nor afford new systems capable of running it. You may see your constant refrain of "Blink Opera, love it or leave it" as a kind of 'tough love' - but you seem to make no observable allowance in any of your posts for the numerically large number of users who don't fit into that neat little scenario. Perhaps I'm wrong, but there's both a lack of contructiveness and a certain stridency or harshness coming through in post after post...
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Deleted User last edited by
blackbird: Here's your assumption:
"You obviously know little about the great numbers of users in Africa, South America, Asia, Eastern Europe, and other places who still rely strongly on Presto Opera..."I know all about this and if truth be known, it's not my concern. Now whether you agree with that or not is not my concern. However, don't presume to tell me what I know and don't know based upon your faulty assumptions. And furthermore, I don't care about your conclusions regarding my previous posts. You say that "perhaps I (meaning you) are wrong, but..." Indeed, you are wrong. Please understand that I don't care a fig about your view of me (i.e. 'there's a certain harshness in my posts'). Big deal. Go preach to someone else. If truth be told I find you insufferably arrogant and self-righteous but up until now I haven't said anything of the kind. Furthermore, I have not said ALL Presto users are whiners or complainers. Obviously the vast majority of Presto users don't bother with the forums. A miniscule group of Presto users in comparison to the user base comes here and for the most part, complains and it is to that group that I direct many of my posts so don't put words in my mouth that are not there and don't erect a straw man of your own making and then cleverly take it apart limb by limb.
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A Former User last edited by
Presto Opera is dying, but it won't be dead until the last person in the world stops using it.
Even though issues with it will no longer be addressed by Opera, its great configurability means that there are a huge number of workarounds that can be applied to resolve problems, the recent troubles with YouTube being a case in point.
A separate section of the forum for this, and other Presto issues, certainly after Opera officially drop support (which they haven't yet) would be an invaluable repository for this knowledge for those who still use the Presto browser, for whatever reason.
It is a great shame that Pesala's huge stock of tweaks and tips on Presto Opera was lost to general access when MyOpera closed, although someone did post a link to an archived version a while ago.
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Deleted User last edited by
Come on, Dave. we're now dealing in semantics here when we use the term "dead". To all intents and purposes, Presto is dead in that it is no longer being developed. The fact that many people still use it is a moot point. Millions no doubt continued to use Netscape after version 9 but we knew it was dead and done with and eventually those die-hard Netscapers migrated elsewhere. Only someone in complete denial would continue to use Netscape these many years later. I'm not against Presto, per se. After all, it's just programing so why would I care one way or the other. And as I mentioned earlier, I recognize that the vast majority of Presto users continue to use it and have never darkened the door of the Opera forums (and probably won't). When I speak out against Presto users it's directed against a very loud, and oftentimes very rude handful who come to the forum here and complain day after day after day. They've labelled the company as disloyal to them (seriously... a company that has given them free software and support is now disloyal) and no matter what new features are presented in Opera Blink, they never fail to disparage them. That's where my beef lies. As for a separate forum... it's not needed in my view. Simply set up a folder in the existing forum and title it Presto Q & A.
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A Former User last edited by
The trouble with just having a Presto thread, unless it's permanently pinned (which as far as I can see can only be done with "announcements") is that if it's not used for a while it will sink down the forum, and people with Presto questions will then just start new threads, giving the mods the headache of constantly merging them (can that even be done, I've never been aware of it here?)
I don't see the harm in Presto Opera having its own section.
It can always be removed when its use falls too low for its existence to be still justified.
And yes, some of the rants about Opera's supposed "betrayal" of Presto uses have been just a bit over the top!
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Deleted User last edited by
I said this in other topic. There is no reason to use Presto, you will have so much problems and problems with it that you will see yourself using another browser more than Presto itself.
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linuxmint7 last edited by
Works fine for me, no worse (and in a lot of ways, better) than any other browser.
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A Former User last edited by
Listen, people, when Mozilla had a different project - they gave it a different name, right?
Why couldn't these... Vikings do the same?
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A Former User last edited by
Er, because the company's actually called Opera perhaps?
Why would they call it anything else?
Presto Opera 12.17 works fine for me 95% of the time, at the moment, but I'm under no illusion that this won't get worse as time goes on.
The main annoyance is on forms, where you spend ages filling them in, only for the "submit" button then to do nothing because of a javascript problem!
It's a long way from being so bad that I would abandon it as my primary browser yet though.
