What is wrong with Opera?

  • I have been using Opera for a long time. Like atleast 8-9 years. Used it on my old Win XP PC, then on old Nokia phones (symbian) and then on my Win 7 PC and Win 8 laptop and Note 3 android.

    I was using Opera 12 for long time till I decided to update to Opera 24. Just to realize there is no section for bookmarks and notes. These are very important as I have bookmarks and notes which I have been using for all these years. Same with feed list.

    So I decided to see if it was fixed with Opera beta 25 but no now sync does not work and Speed dial, bookmarks are empty Yes I know I can check them on link.opera.com but I want it stored on my PC.

    So my question is what is being done to fix this?

    I have saved opml file list of feeds and html file list for bookmarks which I exported from Opera 12. So if Opera are not interested in fixing this then maybe I can find some other software.

    I don't mind opera charging for services like some other softwares but it should be reliable.

  • Completely agree [except I have less equipment presently involved]. I really, REALLY like OPERA, and MY best suggestion is to 'relax' with 12.17, and hope Oslo actually does come up with a 'modern' version. No programmer here; it may not BE possible to bring 12.17 'up to speed'. There doesn't seem to be any direct way to communicate with Opera Company, as you can with, say, Microsoft, so I don't have a clue if they have a feel for how 23/24/25 is being received. There are some, here, that find '24' fine, and for them I am happy. So, again, I suggest relaxing with 12.17 and monitoring [at least] this Forum...hopefully.

    Good Luck

    Giz

  • ... so I don't have a clue if they have a feel for how 23/24/25 is being received. There are some, here, that find '24' fine, and for them I am happy. So, again, I suggest relaxing with 12.17 and monitoring [at least] this Forum...hopefully. ...

    Opera has a better "feel for how 23/24/25 is being received" than any of us posting here. But what they are now aiming at, and what creates a relevant "feel", is a broader user segment of the marketplace than they had previously been accomodating in bygone years. This was a business decision they took in order to stimulate company growth, enhance their other product lines, and reduce their overall design burden. Those of us more "technical" users who had become accustomed to Opera consistently supporting our needs and interests in certain ways are simply no longer the primary market sector around which they are developing their desktop browser. So any "feel" Opera may have for the reception of the browser by our segment is tempered by the current reality that Opera is actively seeking other perhaps-larger segments as well... and those segments may not be as focused on the legacy Opera features, configurability, and behavior as some of we past Opera users.

    Only time and user stats will tell whether Opera can significantly break out of its previous 2%-3% market segment via their new strategy. And as technical users, we can only continue politely and constructively suggesting improvements to New Opera, then patiently waiting to see what happens. In the meantime, we do whatever we have to... try the New Opera and play with the extensions, try other browsers, keep on with the old 12.xx family, or some combination of all.

  • Well written, 'Blackbird'. [Wondering if you have roots in the SR-71?]

    Sounds like you may be privy to Opera Business stuff I don't. My Son-in-Law is a Mucky-Muck in the cell phone industry... you know the hand held computers you can ALSO talk on? Says Opera 'mini' is a big deal there.

    During the week plus I gave '24' a heck of a whirl, I found it absolutely reliable, and in no way slow; just...well you know.

    Maybe Opera is rolling the dice like uSoft did with WIN8? Making the mistake of writing off Windows PCs? The House of Gizmo is the ONLY place I know where Opera is the Primary Browser.

    I'm loyal to Opera; will keep watching to see if there's anything else happens...

    Giz

  • Well written, 'Blackbird'. [Wondering if you have roots in the SR-71?]
    Sounds like you may be privy to Opera Business stuff I don't.
    ...
    During the week plus I gave '24' a heck of a whirl, I found it absolutely reliable, and in no way slow; just...well you know.
    ...
    I'm loyal to Opera; will keep watching to see if there's anything else happens...
    Giz

    Regarding the 71, yes, in a former life. 'nuff said. Otherwise, I'm not privy to anything internal to Opera... I've just been around the forums (old and new) for some years and watched this all unfold regarding the browser changes, listening to statements from Opera and comments from "connected" users. That, and some common sense about the nature of the free browser industry, leads me to the viewpoint which I have today.

    I'm kind of like you... the New Opera is reliable and not slow, but... well, you know. 😉 I'm continuing to watch. Some positive things have happened, though slower than I'd like to see, but patience remains a virtue, so we'll just have to see where it heads in the future.

  • 'Rawg..' Well, if it turns out 12.17 IS the end of that particular browser direction, it still works great for 111/113 of my needs, and, makes a dandy tool for accessing 'other' browsers. In fact, for a time I was using 12.17 and THEN '24' as the 'Open with' browser. That kinda went TU though, as I run Opera in a V/M and the key to flipping that on is the 'opera.exe' file. Turns out BOTH 12 and 24 have that file, so I could not easily open either without the other ALSO being V/M'ed. THAT led to my dedicated '24' period of time. I don't live at MACH 3, but my fuel supply is a lot closer to E than some, so I will probably just join you in 'watching'. Suspect the better method for that is to periodically download the Latest and Greatest and just see how it works....SNAFU

    Giz

  • SUCWP!

  • just updated from 12 to 24

    everything is wrong, site preferences, wand....

    this new browser should not be called Opera

    can Opera Software give one good reason I should stick to it and to switch to one of mainstream browsers, feels like chrome theme

    I liked Opera because its builtin features where enough for me so I did not need to install addons like for other browsers

    depressed

  • just updated from 12 to 24

    Wrong, you either installed Opera 24 along side Opera 12, or remove Opera 12 and then installed Opera 24. There is no upgrade/update path from Opera (Presto) 12 to Opera (Blink) 24.

    They both co-exist or you remove one or the other. One will not automatically install over or overwrite the other.

    depressed

    Then go back to using Opera 12. [Shrugs]

  • The problem with Opera is it does not have the most basic functions, like restore previous session, import bookmarks, no home page, speed dial does not let you change the dial image, you can't even move the extension buttons. The omnibar is what I hate about Chrome and now it is in Opera. If Opera doesn't care about their longtime users (like me) and is going for new users then they are going to fail. I see no reason for anyone to even use this browser without even the most basic functions. New users are going to just go back to their old browser and longtime users are going to give up on Opera.

  • like restore previous session

    Settings > On Startup > check "Continue where I left off"

    You can also save your current opened tabs as a SD folder.

    no home page

    Same as above but choose "Open a specific page or set of pages"

  • I don't want to continue where I left off every time! I should not have to make a special speed dial folder that is the stupidest thing I"ve ever heard of. Every browser out there has restore tabs or restore session. If you want people to use this browser at least have BASIC browser functions.

  • restore previous session

    Present.

    import bookmarks

    Possible in more than 1 way.

    speed dial does not let you change the dial image

    Manually editing the db (not hard) is possible.
    https://forums.opera.com/post/41282

  • Wow, I have used Opera for years but this is the last straw. Offering workarounds to features that should be basic browser functions is so lame. A new user of Opera is not going to waste their time with this silly browser. I will just uninstall Opera and stick to Firefox and Chrome at least they both have basic browser functions and don't criticize their users for pointing out obvious flaws with their browser. Opera used to be a great browser now it's just a mess and the developers don't want to hear complaints so they just bash their users. You will not get very far with your attitude and your browser is going to be an epic failure. Good luck. Maybe I will try Opera in a year or two but right now it is not worth my time.

  • I should not have to make a special speed dial folder that is the stupidest thing I"ve ever heard of.

    Nothing so much different of Opera Presto except that on Presto you call the Session from a Menu.

    Every browser out there has restore tabs

    You mean closed tabs? If so Menu > Recently Closed.

    or restore session

    Only on FF i could see a "Restore Previous Session" option. There is nothing like this on Chrome or IE.

  • Internet Explorer: Tools>Reopen last browsing session
    Firefox: History>Restore previous session
    Chrome: Recent tabs>4 tabs or what ever your # of tabs were
    Opera: Recently Closed is always empty when you open Opera

    I am not trying to be rude. I really loved using Opera over the years but now it is just changing so much that it is not even Opera anymore. You say you can import bookmarks but you can not at least not from another browser and that is the first thing a new user does is import their bookmarks. I really want to use Opera but it is going in the wrong direction. People want to be able to customize their browser to fit their needs. Customization is what made Opera great but that is gone. If Opera is going to be successful then it should have built in basic features that a new user doesn't have to go searching through forums to find.

  • Customisation and basic features are two completely different things.

    The ability to import (from other browsers) and manage bookmarks are gradually being added to Opera (see the answer to this question you posed, in another thread about Opera 25 Dev becoming stable).

    As for opening previous sessions in Opera using the Speed dial (Start page), they work in pretty much the same way as other current browsers, but are displayed differently and do need some intervention from the user to actually save them in the first place.

    As for Opera's ability to open closed tabs from the 'Recently closed' menu between browser sessions or a completely new session, that has never been possible, even in the old Presto version of Opera. The 'Recently closed' menu is always cleared on closing Opera.

  • the developers don't want to hear complaints so they just bash their users.

    I don't see any developer doing that. Cut the BS.

    Like linuxmint7 said a "restore previous session" command (bar the start-up setting) was never present in Opera 12 either. Customizing the Speed Dial thumbnails was never possible without third-party software or extension or manual edit of the files in the profile, either - and it's not available in other browsers.

    You say you can import bookmarks but you can not at least not from another browser and that is the first thing a new user does is import their bookmarks.

    Search for it in the web like "import bookmarks from x_browser site:forums.opera.com". It's possible.
    I agree the currently available procedures aren't optimal for new users but whatever.

  • Maybe they should've put something about such importing on opera://help or something...:left:

  • Internet Explorer: Tools>Reopen last browsing session

    Well, you first need to enable the menu.

    I think it is more useful on other browsers in which you can close the whole browser by mistake if you close the last tab.

    hrome: Recent tabs>4 tabs or what ever your # of tabs

    Here it's empty.

    Btw, such feature would be useful fro what? Besides maybe in case of a crash, i really don't see anything for such feature to be considered basic or even top priority.

    You say you can import bookmarks but you can not at least not from another browser and that is the first thing a new user does is import their bookmarks.

    Afaik Opera imports from the default browser. Or will do it at least.

    And talking about bookmarks, i think that it's more than the time to get rid of that 1990's bookmarking style and move something more dynamic.

    People want to be able to customize their browser to fit their needs.

    I think peolpe nowadays wants simplicity more than any other thing.

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