Where is the menu bar?
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by j7nj7n:
I use Opera 8 for mail, and up until a year ago for browsing. The MDI button is much less confusing there.
Back when I complained about Opera 10.50 losing MDI quite as good as Opera 10.1x, Rijk said something to me long the lines of whether I'd like the return of MDI or something better. Well, I'm still waiting for something, anything at all.
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missingno last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
what you need in a browser is the ability to navigate and select functions without too much difficulty
Which is given through a menu bar instead of a clumsy O button. Right?
Originally posted by Pesala:
After a month of not being able to use the top menu, if you had no other choice of browser, you would soon learn to do what you need to do without it.
You also can learn how to use fork, knive and spoon or any other thing with your feet instead of your hands.
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mlaps last edited by
Frenzie, I notice that in some of the screenshots you posted above, the Title Bar is in different colors, not just limited to the Blue? How did you manage that?
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by mlaps:
Frenzie, I notice that in some of the screenshots you posted above, the Title Bar is in different colors, not just limited to the Blue? How did you manage that?
Those are Windows 7 screenshots with Aero enabled. The specific looks depend on what was behind the window when I took the screenshot.
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Deleted User last edited by
Personally on opera 12 I usually have the menu bar disabled, but when I need it I reactivate it (Opera button -> show menu bar), because the single menu is so clunky.
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blackbird71 last edited byIn my case, I prefer to be able to toggle the menu bar on or off, in both Opera 12.1x and Firefox. It all depends on what I'm doing... if I'm using tools or playing with styles, etc. I find it far better to have the menu bar present; for routine/normal browsing, I keep it off. Having the option, either way, is great... Configurability Rules! It allows a browser to cover a multitude of usage patterns easily and conveniently - which is something I absolutely "need" in a browser. This is something Old Opera possessed in large amounts, and it's something I continue to hope will eventually happen with New Opera, once the developmental flash/bang of bringing up a mostly-new browser has passed.
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stng last edited by
I've hide the clumsy "O" button and disabled the menu bar. This saved a lot of space.
I've replaced it(the main browser menu) with a small custom button on the navigation toolbar and mouse gesture.
I like extensive customizability of the Opera/Presto. Too bad that mentioned customizability absolutely not fits with the new Opera's vision. -
A Former User last edited by
It's one thing to 'hide' a function that has been around for 20+ years, but to remove it completely for some lame, idiotic reason is unacceptable and just plain stupid!
**Period!
Hide it, don't remove it! Lame brained M$ following morons. No wonder Opera has had less than 2% of the Internet users.**
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tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Yes. What you want may be a picture of a naked mermaid, but what you need in a browser is the ability to navigate and select functions without too much difficulty. For that, you do not need a menu bar at the top. You way want one, but want and need are two different things. You could easily use shortcuts such as Alt P to access the settings, etc. After a month of not being able to use the top menu, if you had no other choice of browser, you would soon learn to do what you need to do without it.
Wow. Could you be anymore arrogant? What someone needs is the ability to chose what preferences they prefer instead of having someone else's forced upon them. I've always used the classic look in Opera. ChrOpera may look perfectly fine to you if you're using a tablet or mobile device, but on the desktop it looks like crap. If I wanted the look and feel of Chrome I'd use Chrome. I sure as hell don't need a preference that I think is ugly and that can't be changed forced on me.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by Tradeofjane:
What someone needs is the ability to chose what preferences they prefer instead of having someone else's forced upon them.
Someone else who doesn't know the difference between need and want. The really arrogant users are those who think that the new Opera should be designed around their wants, and resort to insults when their wants are not fulfilled. There is no product called ChrOpera, the Blink version is still called Opera, and there is no sign that that will change any time soon.
Some users want a menu bar at the top — that I have accepted, but it's not a need. I think we can all agree that we need to be able to select items from a menu. That is already easily doable in Opera 18, using the Alt key or the Menu button.
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tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Someone else who doesn't know the difference between need and want. The really arrogant users are those who think that the new Opera should be designed around their wants, and resort to insults when their wants are not fulfilled. There is no product called ChrOpera, the Blink version is still called Opera, and there is no sign that that will change any time soon.
Some users want a menu bar at the top — that I have accepted, but it's not a need. I think we can all agree that we need to be able to select items from a menu. That is already easily doable in Opera 18, using the Alt key or the Menu button.
And who the hell are you to decide what someone else needs? If someone needs the menu on top in order to use the browser, because that is what they are use to, then that is something they need. They need an interface that THEY are comfortable with, not you. This is something that was present in 12 and should have been at the very least available in 15. And you wonder why long-time users of Opera are pissed. If I wanted an interface that looks and feels like Chrome, I'd be using Chrome.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Tradeofjane:
And who the hell are you to decide what someone else needs? If someone needs the menu on top in order to use the browser, because that is what they are use to, then that is something they need. They need an interface that THEY are comfortable with, not you. This is something that was present in 12 and should have been at the very least available in 15. And you wonder why long-time users of Opera are pissed. If I wanted an interface that looks and feels like Chrome, I'd be using Chrome.
But you don't NEED the menu on to in order to use the browser. You may PREFER the menu to be placed there but that is different from NEEDING it there. People don't NEED an interface with which they are comfortable. They may DESIRE it, but they do not NEED it (PS: are you "getting it" yet?). I'm a long time Opera user (probably longer than you) and I'm not pissed off. Software doesn't piss me off...ignorant people can come close to doing that but not something inanimate like software. If it doesn't suit me, I find a workaround OR I find something else to take its place. Now since you don't like the new GUI of Opera, use the older Presto suite (i.e. v.12.16). It's really very simple but you're making it hard. And if the older version no longer meets your needs then go elsewhere. BUT... you might try "cooling your jets" just a wee bit. It's not good for your health and we certainly don't appreciate it.
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blackbird71 last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
... you don't NEED the menu on to in order to use the browser. You may PREFER the menu to be placed there but that is different from NEEDING it there. People don't NEED an interface with which they are comfortable. They may DESIRE it, but they do not NEED it (PS: are you "getting it" yet?). ...
For that matter, you don't NEED SpeedDial, Stash, Discover, or Chrome-extension compatibility. You don't even NEED a privacy mode, scroll bars, shortcuts, zoom, auto-updating, themes, full-screen, or countless other things in a browser... just limp along without any of it and you can still "browse", plus your browser might be incredibly fast in all those artificial speed tests so often cited. Moreover, it would be a snap for the devs to code it. I've even got a browser on my system much like that... Off-By-One... fastest browser on earth on a modern quad-core! But almost useless if you don't want to jump through a million hoops at a modern graphics/script-intense website.
The point is that defining what constitutes a "NEED" in terms of browser functions/capabilities/features will always end up being dominated by the personal preferences of each person defining the term. Opera has its view of "need", as do you, I and countless other posters. At the end of the day, what matters most is what Opera's devs think, and whether or not they can be (or will be) persuaded to acknowledge as well other people's pleas about "needs," enough to eventually embody them into Opera's functionality as they did for many years previously. On that will turn Opera's future.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
For that matter, you don't NEED SpeedDial, Stash, Discover, or Chrome-extension compatibility. You don't even NEED a privacy mode, scroll bars, shortcuts, zoom, auto-updating, themes, full-screen, or countless other things in a browser... just limp along without any of it and you can still "browse", plus your browser might be incredibly fast in all those artificial speed tests so often cited. Moreover, it would be a snap for the devs to code it. I've even got a browser on my system much like that... Off-By-One... fastest browser on earth on a modern quad-core! But almost useless if you don't want to jump through a million hoops at a modern graphics/script-intense website.
Hear, hear!
(Although I wouldn't call e.g. Elinks or Lynx useless; quite the opposite.)
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tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
But you don't NEED the menu on to in order to use the browser. You may PREFER the menu to be placed there but that is different from NEEDING it there. People don't NEED an interface with which they are comfortable. They may DESIRE it, but they do not NEED it (PS: are you "getting it" yet?). I'm a long time Opera user (probably longer than you) and I'm not pissed off. Software doesn't piss me off...ignorant people can come close to doing that but not something inanimate like software. If it doesn't suit me, I find a workaround OR I find something else to take its place. Now since you don't like the new GUI of Opera, use the older Presto suite (i.e. v.12.16). It's really very simple but you're making it hard. And if the older version no longer meets your needs then go elsewhere. BUT... you might try "cooling your jets" just a wee bit. It's not good for your health and we certainly don't appreciate it.
You don't get to define what someone else needs in order to use a browser. I need my interface to look and feel like it wasn't ripped straight out of Chrome. If you want a copy of Chrome then carry your ass over to Google. I prefer my browser the way it was, which is why I've been using Opera for 10+ years. If Opera wanted to make this migration easier they wouldn't be forcing Chrome's interface on us. So don't be surprised if long-time users are pissed.
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rainspa last edited by
I need the things Opera has provided and I've adapted my browser use to over the years. Hardly surprising there's so many disgruntled posts when a something so totally different comes along.
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A Former User last edited by
And who the hell are you to decide what someone else needs? If someone needs the menu on top in order to use the browser, because that is what they are use to, then that is something they need.
Agree 100%
One would think this guy is another Cheney or Rumsfeld from the Republican gestapo.He is really pissing many of us off with statements like that.
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sotabaka last edited by
Supose that M$ was an automobile manufactor.
They decided to get rid of the steering wwheel and use the small rearview mirror control button instead... OP folowed them in their demential idea.
You get tree(phun intended) choices .. start to drive using a tiny buttopn/stick ... keep the old car ... or buy a different brand.
FYIO I never even gave chrome a chance because IT DIDN'T HAD a menu bar ... If I upgrade from OP12 to a new version I might as well forget opera as a "default browser" and do a complete change ... wich might as well be to a new one from a different brand.
For the time being I'll keep the "old" 12x installed. But the future will tell for how long.
**Pesala
Reclining Buddha
I do not have a single program without menu bar.
You are using Windows I presume. Where is the menu bar for Windows? Oh! It doesn't have one, just a Start button that shows a menu, like Opera since about version 9 or 10.I really feel sorry for those who simply refuse to adapt to the way things are. Change is an inevitable part of progress, and nothing stays the same for ever. I can remember when you had to dial a phone number by turning a wheel with holes in it.
Maybe the Linux version will have a menu bar, but I doubt if it will return to the Windows version. If it never returns, what are you guys going to do? At least if we can customise the menus, we can Fix the Button menu to be just like the old top menu, then there's very little to relearn.**
Windows8 does not ...
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sotabaka last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Originally posted by videobruce:
I can't believe you said that. What wasted space, I sure as hell don't see any.
With the menu bar enabled, the Windows title bar is also displayed. Your screen shot shows that you're wasting 45 vertical pixels out of 955, so about 4.71% of available screen space. The button menu uses no space at all when not in use, which is any time that you're reading, writing, or looking at pictures/video. The top menu and title bar are always present, whether they are being used or not. Other browsers (Firefox/IE11) at least hide it when it's not in use.
Who cares about space on the screen when now I you want me to spend 1/2 my time looking at the sides to find what previously just took me 1 click - hovering -click ????
