Search Engine Default

lem729

lem729

Nice quote, coshoo. Liberty is quite important, but believe me, it is not at issue in taking a free browser. You are mistaken if you deem this a "liberty" issue. And by mixing this issue up with liberty, you do a disservice to liberty, and undermine real liberty issues.

stealth789

stealth789

Nice quote for sure. And liberty is not important in free browser? Any browser now is free. It's just how it works. It's business model, based on decision.
And sure forcing us to use some engine, and disallow use what we want is not violating of free to choose?

If this is about security. So why any of my suggestions are "thrown" away without reasoning? Don't tell me everything is wrong. It's just question if you even try. I understand your status/position here. But there need to be said why exactly this cannot be in any way?

"A man who wants something will find a way; a man who doesn't will find an excuse."Stephen Dolley Jr.

But if it's strictly about security. Even so called secure browsers like Comodo Dragon and SRWare Iron (also based on chromium) allows change. SRWare Iron also use DuckDuckGo as default search engine. TorBrowser (based on Firefox) use startpage.

So if it's about security then Opera can collect any user suggested engines, then review them if they're secure. And then simply add them to default list.

Deleted User

Deleted User

All this discussion for what? If you do not like the way Opera manage search engines, just use another one.

lem729

lem729

Do you know, stealth789 what the word "defer" means. Look it up in a dictionary. I DEFER to Opera on this issue. Period. Browser safety is within their jurisdiction. I have no inclination to second guess them on this based on anything you have said.

As for the liberty quote, it's absurdly out of context. You are given a free browser with certain features. You have paid for it nothing, zero, zip, rien, nada. If you like it fine. If not, as sidneyneto offers, use another browser, where you're happier with how they manage search engines. Liberty suggests rights, and you have no right to utilization of all the default search engines you might like to stay up nights fantasizing about. But you can use any search engine you want from the main Address Bar of Opera if you're not too challenged to type one letter or two in front of the search query. Really, it's quite easy.

Now maybe you don't care about the safety of your passwords, your credit cards, your identity, etc. But let me assure you that many others do. It's a vital interest for them. And they want Opera to protect it, as best Opera can.

stealth789

stealth789

All this discussion for what? If you do not like the way Opera manage search engines, just use another one.

Sure it's also possibility. I'm just trying to make things better, rather than throwing them away.

blackbird71

blackbird71

Well, you've provided your suggestion over in the Suggestion Box forum, so it joins the countless others there for Opera to ponder and digest. Actually, I'd love to see Opera provide a safe way for users to add a custom search engine to the default list, since I use StartPage consistently as default in all my other browsers... but given all the things users would like to see the developers add to the mix, it's anyone's guess where this one ranks on their list of things to do - particularly since one can already install a custom engine and simply use a single-letter shortcut to access it.

stealth789

stealth789

Do you know, stealth789 what the word "defer" means. Look it up in a dictionary. I DEFER to Opera on this issue. Period. Browser safety is within their jurisdiction. I have no inclination to second guess them on this based on anything you have said.

And you also don't have own opinion? About what is right? Then this kind of arguments are useless.

As for the liberty quote, it's absurdly out of context. You are given a free browser with certain features. You have paid for it nothing, zero, zip, rien, nada. If you like it fine. If not, as sidneyneto offers, use another browser, where you're happier with how they manage search engines. Liberty suggests rights, and you have no right to utilization of all the default search engines you might like to stay up nights fantasizing about. But you can use any search engine you want from the main Address Bar of Opera if you're not too challenged to type one letter or two in front of the search query. Really, it's quite easy.

Again what about "free" browser. Money comes from searches. Opera knows that it's better use free browser. It's business model. They know they can't make money from browser itself. Any other current browser know it. So why do you use this kind of bogus argument? Money for browser are history. And you're arguing to something off topic rather to something you don't like to.

And example of engines proves, that your primary point is not security itself. You didn't gave any reason, how this can be done safely. Only that it cannot be, just because!

Now maybe you don't care about the safety of your passwords, your credit cards, your identity, etc. But let me assure you that many others do. It's a vital interest for them. And they want Opera to protect it, as best Opera can.

I care much about my privacy. Just Opera ignores parts of it. But sure I won't save any password in Browser... And setting default search engine has nothing to do with it. It's question of allover security, not search engine.

stealth789

stealth789

Well, you've provided your suggestion over in the Suggestion Box forum, so it joins the countless others there for Opera to ponder and digest. Actually, I'd love to see Opera provide a safe way for users to add a custom search engine to the default list, since I use StartPage consistently as default in all my other browsers... but given all the things users would like to see the developers add to the mix, it's anyone's guess where this one ranks on their list of things to do - particularly since one can already install a custom engine and simply use a single-letter shortcut to access it.

This one is question of allowing user use custom default search engine. Be free to choose what I want. Don't let anyone to force me to use engine they think is right. And you cannot simply downplay this fact for option to pressing one more key. This as it's question of option is also question of principle how Opera deals with users. Simplifying this question won't change facts.

lem729

lem729

I care much about my privacy. Just Opera ignores parts of it. But sure I won't save any password in Browser...

But I have so many sites that require passwords. Do you type in the password every time you go to a location that requires it? Maybe you can be less concerned about a hijacked search engine, because you don't have passwords in your browser or computer. I do so i have greater reason for concern about a jijacked search engine.

stealth789

stealth789

I care much about my privacy. Just Opera ignores parts of it. But sure I won't save any password in Browser...

But I have so many sites that require passwords. Do you type in the password every time you go to a location that requires it? Maybe you can be less concerned about a hijacked search engine, because you don't have passwords in your browser or computer. I do so i have greater reason for concern about a jijacked search engine.

First: Topic is about allowing user to free choose default search engine. Talking about password is another theme! It's question of allover security of PC, not about changing of search engine itself. So please stick to the main question. But Opera won't allow me to freely change default search engine, but:

It's possible to change start page - possible malware use (but there's still need for malware to get to PC, ... that's real problem)
Is sending un-secure(some are secure, based on original request) every site I visit to its servers - Fraud check / Tracking ? (If not by Opera, than can be abused by ITS, ....)
Only 1 of 10 default engines uses secure connection !!! And that's Google known by tracking users - PRIVACY !

So please don't tell me your default search engines are safe! Hell they're not! So where's your security concern now? This way (you think is right for me, ....) I don't feel safe! And I feel forced!

If malware will get to your PC, it's question of PC security and user knowledge. Learn users to be secure, use Antivirus, Firewall, ... Don't use it as excuse to restrict our free choice. Disallow this is short-sighted policy. And start of forcing us to use what you decide is right for us. It's unacceptable. You are simplifying this as question of one more press. I see this also as question of freedom. Be free to choose what I want.

Password (OFFTOPIC):

Even it is really different topic, sure I care much for my passwords. But from old times I know, that passwords in browser are easy to decrypt/compromise! If you have concerns about security, care about your passwords, and don't keep them in browser first! Not be concerned so much about changing default search engine....

Also as I mentioned my concenrns about my security and privacy of Opera Link here. So if passwords are sending to link, from my point and current knowledge it's possible security risk! So also basically from security side of view I strongly recommend anyone NOT TO SAVE ANY PASSWORD IN ANY BROWSER!!! It's standard tactic for any possible malware/virus to grab data. And there's a lot of utilities that can simply decrypt it.

Simple virus (has nothing to do strictly with browser, or search engine,...) will decrypt your Login Data and send it to server. That's what malware can do. Why the hell he need your search engines. You're excusing restricting and forcing as to free choice, but you're blind to real dangers!

And practically for passwords I'm long time user of software called KeePass Password Safe. And I use strong generated passwords. Also there's way to use rules which password it can use. So I have installed extension Url in title (and alternatives in other browsers). Then my rules are using url patterns for matching. But this is another advanced theme. Sure I can give some tips here. But at least with this my passwords are correctly encrypted, and safe.

Deleted User

Deleted User

That is ridiculous not to save passwords. You only say about Google, however you can use Bing which I like it or Yahoo. Everyone say Google spy your movements on the web and save data about you. I never give a sh*** about that, and you know why? I do not do anything wrong on Google, my conscious is cleaned.

stealth789

stealth789

That is ridiculous not to save passwords. You only say about Google, however you can use Bing which I like it or Yahoo. Everyone say Google spy your movements on the web and save data about you. I never give a sh*** about that, and you know why? I do not do anything wrong on Google, my conscious is cleaned.

Default engines: First I meantion Google, as it is only engine to set at least secure connection. As you can see here by my tests here https://forums.opera.com/post/42572 . Bing and Yahoo are not set correctly! They can use secure connection, but by default they don't. That is just an example how safe default engines are, when somebody is arguing, that Opera give me safety?! Even if I forgot about restricting my freedom of choice.

You said "I never give a sh*** about that, and you know why? I do not do anything wrong on Google, my conscious is cleaned."
Sure I also don't do anything illegal or something wrong. But it doesn't mean in any way, that I've gave anybody implicitly right to spy on me, and violate my privacy! You're mistaken right reasons here. I don't want to loose my privacy! I don't want to be tracked by any company this way. It's my right! People sometimes fought for rights to freedom. Now people just forget, that freedom is something they can't give up for free! Not any peace of it! Now they don't care, and are giving up their rights just for free. Not thinking about consequences. Now you allow this, and take it for "normal", and on tomorrow, it'll be another story,... Straight way to hell...

Passwords (OFFTOPIC): "That is ridiculous not to save passwords.": It's up to you what and how you'll do. Your free decision. I'm telling from my experience. Saving password in browser is not safe! I work in IT sector, and really don't remember to meet somebody using browser's password management. It's easy to decrypt, and possible way to exploit your private data. And huge bigger danger then any engine itself. But sure it's up to you! I'm not telling you what to do. I'm telling you what I know, and what are the real dangers, and if it's possible also way, how to be more secure. I'm not keeping you blind, and avoiding real dangers, and using excuses. Still: DECISION IS YOURS. YOURS ONLY!

Deleted User

Deleted User

Please, do not use capital letter, that is kind of rudeness.

Use another browser if you do not like opera, this discussions is going nowhere. I trust in Opera and Google.

stealth789

stealth789

Please, do not use capital letter, that is kind of rudeness.

I'm sorry for caps. My mistake.

Use another browser if you do not like opera

Topic is not about liking Opera. And sure I'm the one who can decide what to choose. Not you! Accept this fact. Topic is about option to add/change/remove default search engine. Please stick to it.

, this discussions is going nowhere.

You mean you're out of arguments against it? Because I didn't see relevant arguments why not. I try to argue on all arguments, but many of you just ignore answering, or use other themes. Even there's no will to consider things. Only simple no without correct reason as an answer.

I trust in Opera and Google.

Again topic is not primary about trust.

Deleted User

Deleted User

Accept the fact that discussing about search engines won't change the browser. Lem729 has good arguments and I post some too. You say Opera doesn't give freedom to the users, you limit your own freedom because you are kinda of afraid of saving passwords (I know, person choice, keep with that if you want, I will never make anyone to do what do not want to do), use this or that search engine because of spy. I do nit feel forced to use Google search.

stealth789

stealth789

Accept the fact that discussing about search engines won't change the browser.

If this is true, and discussing is useless, even this forum is useless. This is nonsense.

Lem729 has good arguments and I post some too.

Sure, some. But didn't answer many questions, and often used other themes to excuse or avoid answer. Still I tried to argument on everything. Not avoiding subject, like you do.

You say Opera doesn't give freedom to the users, you limit your own freedom because you are kinda of afraid of saving passwords (I know, person choice, keep with that if you want, I will never make anyone to do what do not want to do),

Off-topic: I limit? I use one software for many programs and any browser. One centralized system. It's not limiting. It's safer like in any browser, and centralized. Still my personal point, but really has nothing to do with limitation of anything.

use this or that search engine because of spy. I do nit feel forced to use Google search.

It's about be free to choose. Not be forced, without proper reason. You maybe don't feel forced, but me and many others do.

Deleted User

Deleted User

Let's just stop it, I said everything that I could do,ok.

stealth789

stealth789

Sure maybe suggestion forum is best place. I hoped all communication will take place there. Because I'm kind of waiting for some internal answer, what is exact status and approach to this request. Something. Some conclusion.

Please don't take any of this personally. I have no intention to attack anybody. I'm just arguing about topic, and trying to make a stand here. Give reason to request. That's all.

lem729

lem729

Stealth789

The password issue is not at all off topic. You raised it yourself. You said that you save no passwords in your computer so it is clear that you are much less at risk if there is search engine hijacking. You don't have passwords to lose. Those of us who do save passwords -- the vast majority of Opera users -- in their browser are very much at risk.

And so we want Opera to add search engines for us, only if Opera concludes that it is safe to do so, that they do not unduly expose us to a search engine hijacking, which puts our passwords at risk, our credit cards, our personal identities. Nothing more to say on this. Like sidneyneto, I feel this topic has been exhausted exhausted exhausted . ..

If you want to keep talking to yourself on this keep posting. I have nothing more to say, I think this thread and the one in the suggestion box should be closed.

stealth789

stealth789

Stealth789
The password issue is not at all off topic. You raised it yourself. You said that you save no passwords in your computer so it is clear that you are less at risk if there is search engine hijacking. Ypu don't have passwords to lose. Those of us do not save passwords -- the vast majority of Opera users -- in their browser are very much at risk.

I don't mean total offtopic. But it's not main topic. It's maybe connected. But you use arguments about hijacking. Than in the first place, there's need for malware to get to PC. And it's not question of this topic, but about PC security, proper Avntivirus,... and protection. So also talking about malware is another topic. You cannot connect anything the way you want. Because your reasons are just like tell everybody don't connect to internet, because something bad can happen. It's not proper argumentation to this topic. It's just diversion of topic to another one.
Because there are many other settings, that can compromise user safety, but are allowed! So you can't tell this one is another in principle.

And I have passwords on my computer, just in another place.

And so we want Opera to add search engines for us, only if Opera concludes that it is safe to do so, that they do not unduly expose us to a search engine hijacking, which puts our passwords at risk, our credit cards, our personal identities. Nothing more to say on this. Like sidneyneto, I feel this topic has been exhausted exhausted exhausted . ..

I understand. But as I mentioned, also now Opera uses engines, that are not so secure. So I can't accept, that their decision is wholesome correct and secure. Also if I like software, it doesn't mean I will trust it blindly.

So you know this trust was broken when I find out about fraud check packets. Because I didn't realized until then, that opera will use something like this, that can in any way compromise my privacy. Without option to disable it, even without asking. This kind of behavior is unacceptable for any software.

Still this won't change fact, that if user want to use some specific engine, they can't. And you can't excuse this for security or anything, when there's not even will to find common stand, without proper reasons. In this position it's unfortunately looking only like forcing.

Still someone from Opera itself should give some standing here.