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Why use anything but Google Chrome? (Not flame intended but an actual question)

  • I switched to Opera for a few reasons:

    Chrome is now doing data mining, and on my hardware setup, it takes SECONDS before it will release my mouse so I can continue on with my scrolling or link clicking. That's the biggest reason. The 2nd reason is that Chrome 'trashed' their bookmark setup. And when hundreds of us complained on the Chrome forum, the coders told us that it was changed and that was that. No explanation was offered but you can bet it had something to do with data mining.

    Firefox was fine, but slowly slipped into that mouse lag thing just like Chrome over a few weeks after Chrome started doing it. Like the coders had found a new revenue stream and everyone was jumping on the bandwagon to exploit it, where the unintended consequence was mouse lag.

    This is not to say that Opera doesn't have issues, it does, especially with the poor handling of bookmarks, and the recent repeated error when I try to open gmail, but at least there's NO MOUSE LAG.

    That's why I'll stick with it over Chrome or Firefox. And why I think it's better then Chrome.

  • While I'm at it, I have to say that Firefox's bookmark system is absolutely horrible. At one time things were easy to find and sensibly ordered but no more. I dumped it recently and have no intention of returning u less things change. If it isn't broken, leave it alone.

  • I would say that bookmarks in general, at least in the way they work currently, are an obsolete and outdated system.

  • @leocg But Leo... I'm an older guy now (sigh). I can't get my head around how else to store sites I want to return to on a regular or irregular basis other than bookmarks. What are other methods (and Pocket is not something I think would work well for me as a replacement).

  • Considerations/Examples:

    Privately I use Chromium (Linux) and Firefox because I have a GMail account; I installed Opera three months ago and find only advantages here:

    The favorites work just as well as under Firefox or Chrom(ium)
    The VPN in Opera is great, with a VDSL 50tsd it doesn't have any loss in performance for me.
    With Opera Sync and my account I can save my settings and data as well as my passwords. Sometimes there are small crashes, but basically everything is fine.
    My data and registrations in GMail are fine, I have a fast and secure browser with Opera, which only runs with three AdOns: uBlock Origin and uMatrix as well as the Opera ad blocker.

  • @coffeelover
    //While I'm at it, I have to say that Firefox's bookmark system is absolutely horrible.

    Works fine with me; You only have to get used to Opera as a newbie to the fact that it saves the bookmarks at the top and not like Firefox at the bottom.
    Otherwise you can sort, rename and move everything in Firefox, Opera and also in Chrom(ium).

  • I think that we should be able to go back to a previously visited page without needing to manually store its address somewhere.

    Opera Presto had a feature that allowed you to do (almost) that.

  • Hej leocg,
    this is no argument for me 🙂 If I have visited pages, e.g. here the forum and have answered, then save me the link, so I do not have to search tomorrow. If I find a good article on the net, want to forward it, use it by mail or otherwise, then I save the link as well. Favorites are there so that you can use them, such a possibility does not work, then the system is useless. But why this discussion, at all? In Firefox, Chrom(ium) and Opera it works. I don't see a problem here ... :o

  • And my point is: Why do we have to do it manually? Why we need to decide if the page will be useful in the future, store the link, sort it and so on if we could just type a couple of words and be presented with the pages that contains those words?

  • @leocg That might be fine for temporary sites you want to revisit. But there are some individuals (not me) who literally have hundreds and hundreds of sites they periodically need to return to for business sake. For them they need some sort of bookmarking system allowing them to categorize and subcategorize all the sites, many of which they probably could not remember and therefore would not know what to type in order to find that exact site. My hang-up with Firefox is that they changed the manner in which the bookmarks work and while they do work it's not as convenient as it was a few years back. Personally I think Opera's system is better.

  • @coffeelover said in Why use anything but Google Chrome? (Not flame intended but an actual question):

    But there are some individuals (not me) who literally have hundreds and hundreds of sites they periodically need to return to for business sake. For them they need some sort of bookmarking system allowing them to categorize and subcategorize all the sites,

    The biggest and master part of my job is researching pages and the Web; therefore I do need the favorites and the safed links.
    And Firefox, also Opera, is working fine in this point. Anything else is crap, or some user don't know how to use and sort the links, safe it and/or work with the folders - sorry for saying this.

  • @leocg said in Why use anything but Google Chrome? (Not flame intended but an actual question):

    And my point is: Why do we have to do it manually?

    Because there are pages that must be saved in the original, or by means of a screenshot, or even to be able to call already known and existing pages again.
    Legal reasons also play an important role here.
    If you don't work in this area, you may have less of an idea of what research means and also not of the legal competence.

  • Regarding legal matter, I guess that saving the page would be more useful than bookmarking it.

  • @leocg

    Can you judge that if you don't do this work? And can you explain the difference between working with a saved page or a favorite page? Do you think a copy of a page updates itself?
    We do this for legal reasons, not because of boredom.
    However, this topic is also for me now through here 🙂
    Everyone can do that as he likes, with or without favorites.

  • In a bookmarked page, you only have its address while in a saved one you have the whole page code.

    So if the page changes, you still have its old content.

  • @leocg said in Why use anything but Google Chrome? (Not flame intended but an actual question):

    So if the page changes, you still have its old content.

    That's exactely what we need to get our Job done 🙂 For example ...

  • @blackbird71 well said. There are certain features in te various browsers that I care about and this makes me selective. But many others are indifferent. A lot of the stuff that @coffeelover lists are important to me. Some I didn't know about but do now.🙂

  • @uxbal I've been a Firefox user for over a decade but I've also had versions of Opera installed during that time too, though less often used for various reasons. After Firefox Quantum was released it took a step back in terms of its powerful extensions model so (in my case) that was a step back in usability. Since its release I found myself going more -or-less 50-50 between Firefox and Opera, with Firefox still my default. However, as of a few weeks ago, and having now almost fully customised Opera to my liking, I'm now on Opera as default, while also periodically looking at Vivaldi for complementary features (e.g., split windows).

    There's more to a browser than just whether it's Chromium-based or not. We see that Chrome, Opera and Vivaldi, for example, are all differentiated in features. For Opera here are the compelling ones for me - not in any particular order.

    Browse in most recent tabs order (MRU). I like the pop-up preview, makes it easier to be sure of the page you want to get to.

    Tab Search (F2) - this does tab and web search but I’ve customised it to do tab search-only by default. Does incremental filtered search. Highly useful when you have loads of tabs open. Most of the time I’m at 50+.

    Pop-out video.

    Built-in mouse gestures.

    Customisable keyboard shortcuts, including assigning to extensions.

    Single-key shortcuts (e.g., 0 to zoom in).

    Web Panels for e.g., WhatsApp.

    Built-in News App - e.g., country-specific English language news.

    Dynamic units conversion - mouse over, e.g., foreign currency, including crypto, and it displays local currency equivalent.

    Pop-up display for search, copy, convert units on mouse selection.

    Paste and Go keyboard shortcut (Ctrl+Shift+V) for both address and search.

    Probably one or two others that I can't think of.

    I still think Firefox has the best address bar of the various browsers though.

  • @leocg I don't use bookmarks at all. I used to in the distant past. But lots of people do, so they're important to get right for such people.

  • Right, but it doesn't mean that there couldn't be improvements.

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