Transition to Firefox/Chrome?

  • I've been a Opera user since forever (version 5, I think). Because Opera Software seems to have abandoned their Linux version and since their new Presto-less browser seem to be pretty bare-bones, in start contrast to the feature-fest that has always been what I loved about the old Opera (<= 12.x), I've been thinking for a while that I should make the move to one of the competitors. Firefox and Chrome/Chromium are the only relevant choices as far as I can tell.

    Anyone else here who have done made the switch?

    I've grown so used to Opera and its features and its way of doing thinks that whenever I use a different browser I have a miserable time. So my question is basically, how can I make the transition as smooth as possible? Can Chrome/Firefox replicate most of these features/idiosyncrasies:

    Ctrl-Tab switches to most recently-used tab, not to right-hand tab.
    Open new tabs on the far right, not next to current tab
    Stack tabs, detach tabs
    Multiple sessions, saving sessions
    Single-key shortcuts
    Mouse gestures
    Mouse "gesture": right click + left click = back, left click + right click = forwards
    Bookmark panel (not menu or bar)
    Links/windows panel

  • Linux has not been abandoned, read the first four comments to the blog post via the link below.

    http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/11/opera-18-landed/#comment-1132645881

    What's wrong with staying with Opera 12.xx for the time being ?, as you don't give any reason for making the transition in the first place.

    Opera 12.xx works for me, and i'll be staying with it for the foreseeable future, while keeping an eye on the progress of the Blink version of Opera.

  • Originally posted by kvaks2:

    Ctrl-Tab switches to most recently-used tab, not to right-hand tab.

    You need the Firefox extension called Tab Mix Plus. For some very extensive suggestions, see http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=14929082

    Originally posted by kvaks2:

    Stack tabs

    Tree Style Tab might help.

    Originally posted by LinuxMint7:

    Opera 12.xx works for me, and i'll be staying with it for the foreseeable future, while keeping an eye on the progress of the Blink version of Opera.

    +1

    I've started using Firefox a tad more as a secondary browser recently, but I see no reason to switch yet.

  • I've been using Opera for Linux as my usual graphical browser since version 7 (after using Opera for Windows since version 2, and paying money for every version from 3 on, with the exception of the uncharacteristically buggy version 4), even though I've been avoiding nearly all other closed-source proprietary software written for Linux, because browsers like Firefox couldn't do enough on my machines without getting messed up or bogged down by their own add-ons (some of which were apparently intended to make the browser act more like Opera anyway). There were even a couple of times I paid for Opera just to get rid of the obnoxious ad banners that kept loading in the free version (which is unlike me, but I liked Opera too much to give up on it); and for the whole time since Opera announced that its browsers for my desktop machines would have no ads and no price tag, I always assumed that I would want to pay for it again as soon as I had a reason to get a hand-held device to run it on. But now I'm not so sure anymore.

    Lately, I've been running other browsers more often, after seeing Opera drop support for too many of my favorite features and customizations, and especially after discovering that a security hole had been patched by making Google my default search engine every time I started Opera running, at the same time that support for Linux seemed to be taking a big fall down Opera's priority list.

    Of the other browsers I've tried, Midori is the one that makes me miss Opera the least. I can't keep up with its latest improvements until I have a new-enough libc6 installed, but the most recent version of Midori I've tried so far (0.5.4) has almost everything you listed, at least in some form.

    In Midori, I've used most of the items on your list, but I'm not a good one to be asked about some of them. I've always disabled mouse gestures, I rarely need to save more than one session at a time, I prefer not to use many single-key shortcuts (although Midori has let me set a couple of them), and I turned off the tab bar to save screen space in Midori because it had a tab panel I could use instead. (I've always kept Opera's tab bar vertical on the left side of the window, and Midori's didn't fit there; so I don't remember whether or not Midori's tabs could be stacked or grouped on that bar in some way, and apparently I can't restore the bar to find out unless I disable something else--probably that same tab panel that i want to use.) It does have preference options, though, for where to put new tabs and which tab to open after closing one.

    The tab panel in Midori is a like a cross between Opera's Windows panel and its tab bar, with some options missing from each. It lets me right click to open a tab's page in a new window, but I have to close it explicitly in the old window to remove it from that one. Ctrl-Tab gives me the most recently active tab if I press and release the keys quickly; if I hold them down, a scrolling list of tabs pops up.

    Midori does have a bookmark panel. I don' t know whether it has a panel for links (probably only as an extension, if at all), but I do remember deciding to do without some of its panels because the buttons to open them couldn't be stacked vertically as Opera's can be; each panel I added in Midori increased the panels' minimum width to accommodate the associated button until I ran out of room to display pages properly in the browser's main viewport.

    So I'm in a situation like yours, having a not-so-great time with a different browser. Opera had me spoiled when it was more receptive to my usual tweaks and habits than it is now (although even version 11 was a disappointment under my particular circumstances, in some ways). I have two other browsers running right now, and I'm still using Opera to read this thread because Opera has been my favorite browser since around 1998, when I couldn't understand how anyone could be oblivious enough to prefer either IE 4 or Netscape 4 over Opera 3.

    But Midori is probably worth at least a try if you're looking for a tentative or temporary stopgap that resembles Opera more than Firefox does.

  • I can get used to UIs of other browsers. What I'd like to know is how to import bookmarks from Opera into Firefox. I've got more than 2000 of them in nested hierarchies of folders. Chrome knows about Firefox, and will even import Firefox's bookmarks for you without your permission. But there seems to be some industry conspiracy to pretend that Opera does not exist.

    Meanwhile, Opera. Does. Not. Work. On. My. Computer. At. All.

    (I'm another one who paid money for Opera back in the day. Opera is the only browser that knows the difference between a requested pop-up and a spontaneous pop-up, which is what prompted me to pay them. Also, Opera has saved sessions and can assign user CSS based on Web site; I don't know of any other browser that does those.)

  • Incompatible system upgrade, or what? If Opera ran - even without connecting to the internet - it could export your bookmarks as HTML which could then be imported to anything.

    There have been over the years a number of Windows bookmark managers that recognized Opera bookmarks; I haven't looked for such a thing in my distro's available packages or at Sourceforge but I would be surprised if it wasn't available for Linux.

  • If you can run Midori, it might be able to put your Opera bookmarks in a form that Firefox can read. (I haven't imported bookmarks into a Mozilla browser in probably seven or eight years, so I'm about useless with that last part of it.)

    Midori was able to find my file at ~/.opera/bookmarks.adr and even copy my old Personal Bar folder's items to its own bookmarks bar--in reverse order, and I didn't see an easy way to reorder them. :rolleyes: But I don't know that browser very well yet, and maybe the current version does better.

    The export dialog gives me two choices of bookmark formats to save: XBEL and Netscape.

  • Okay, being clueless was driving me nuts, so I found some more information.

    The only Firefox I have installed right now is Iceweasel 10 (because every time I upgrade it to v. 17 on Wheezy, I get bored trying to figure out why the tiny window that opens turns into a dot as soon as I touch it to try to resize it :irked: ), but that one can find and import Opera's bookmarks directly in addition to importing from HTML files. From the menu bar, Bookmarks -> Show All Bookmarks -> Import and Backup brings up those options.

    The Windows executable for Bookmark Converter runs fine for me on WINE, so that's another possible solution if you can't run Midori and can't make Firefox find Opera's bookmark file under your home directory. Its dialog for selecting the source file doesn't list *.adr files that don't have 'Opera' in their filenames, but it did let me type 'bookmarks.adr' into the 'File name' field to pick one from the current directory. When I set 'Netscape 6-7 bookmarks' as the target format, it created a bookmarks.html file similar (but not identical) to the one I got with the Netscape option in Midori, and Iceweasel was able to use it.

  • Originally posted by sgunhouse:

    Incompatible system upgrade, or what?

    Not sure. It did fail after some routine updates to openSUSE 12.2. After reinstalling Opera and upgrading to openSUSE 13.1, there is no change.

    Originally posted by sgunhouse:

    If Opera ran - even without connecting to the internet - it could export your bookmarks as HTML which could then be imported to anything.

    As I said, Opera doesn't work at all. It grabs all of the system memory (8 GB) and all of the swap space (2 GB) right off the bat, and never even gets to the point of opening a window before the OS kills it.

  • Originally posted by thattoo:

    The only Firefox I have installed right now is Iceweasel 10 (because every time I upgrade it to v. 17 on Wheezy, I get bored trying to figure out why the tiny window that opens turns into a dot as soon as I touch it to try to resize it :irked: ), but that one can find and import Opera's bookmarks directly in addition to importing from HTML files. From the menu bar, Bookmarks -> Show All Bookmarks -> Import and Backup brings up those options.

    Thanks for that info. It would be nice if Mozilla hadn't buried the feature in such an unobvious place.

    Unfortunately, it's only giving me Chrome as an option, and now Chrome doesn't want to work either. (What's going on here???)

  • [Sheesh. I replied here to ask for answers to already-answered questions before I saw the other post that came in before the one that addressed me personally. And now I've edited this reply so many times, I almost wish this software would yell at me for it. :D ]

    You might need to provide more information about your own circumstances to get a good answer to that one.

    You said that Opera doesn't work on your computer at all. Does that mean you couldn't make it run long enough to create the ~/.opera directory where Firefox would be most likely to look for your bookmarks file?

    In that case, did you try creating the ~/.opera (or ~/.config/Opera, maybe?) directory manually, and then copying your old *.adr file into that new directory to see whether Firefox could find it there? (Because Opera does run fine on my own system, and because that old version of Iceweasel is the only Firefox I can test at the moment, I can't easily rule out the possibility that an unidentified Firefox version, running on an unfamiliar Linux system, is running some command like 'which opera' and then giving up on finding your Opera bookmarks just because it can't find that browser.)

  • I've been always using 2 browsers on my linux system (and I still do), so I never "made a switch". The only difference is that now I use Chrome and Firefox while back then I've been using Chrome and Opera (what an irony!!! Two different browsers then that became one now!). I've tested Opera 18 on my sister's windows pc and I consider it very fast and responsive. It lacks some of the presto-based opera's features, but most of them will be back little-by-little in each new version. There were 4 new releases of Blink Opera since OTeam made the switch to the faster release cycle and it's been just a few months. So, there will be many many more releases (and thus more new features) during 2014 I guess (and a Linux version too, very very soon I hope!). We've been waiting for so many months now, lets just wait a little more!!

  • Originally posted by thattoo:

    You said that Opera doesn't work on your computer at all. Does that mean you couldn't make it run long enough to create the ~/.opera directory where Firefox would be most likely to look for your bookmarks file?

    All the directories are already set up. Opera used to work fine until after one night when I did a routine openSUSE 12.2 update. (I'm now running openSUSE 13.1.)

  • To answer the original post:

    The new Blink based Opera can switch to most recently-used tab with Ctrl+Tab (it is a setting on Windows [and Linux when it is released] and can be configured by tweaking the default keyboard configuration on Mac).

    There are extensions that change the default tab opening position.

    Session saving is not an issue.

    Single-key shortcuts are a setting away from the default.

    Basic Mouse gestures are on by default (on Windows and Linux).

    Mouse rocker gestures can be switched on via a setting.

    No panels but bookmarks can be access and manipulated via the bar or via various extensions. Windows and Links can be manipulated via various extensions.

    P.S. For those worried that Opera's Linux version will never be updated, read this (no new news but it might reassure you somewhat):
    http://ruario.ghost.io/2014/03/02/linux-and-blink-powered-opera/

  • [quote]There are extensions that change the default tab opening position.
    Session saving is not an issue.
    Single-key shortcuts are a setting away from the default.
    Basic Mouse gestures are on by default (on Windows and Linux).
    Mouse rocker gestures can be switched on via a setting.[/quote]

    All of these are easily available through Chrome+Extensions for Linux, isnt't ? With such basic needs, there is no reason for Chropera/Linux.

  • I've been an Opera user for many, maybe 10 years or more. Now I decided to try Evernote and in Opera 12.16 it is not possible to run a web client of Evernote. Web Evernote window is blank. Even a plugin for Evernote Web Clipper says that it needs at least Opera version 16. So I decided to switch to Firefox.

    Maybe formerly Opera was something extra, but now I found that when I download about 10 plugins, I have a browser that looks like and works like Opera or maybe better. Especially important for me is speed dial plugin Super Start and plugin QuickJava for switching javascript, flashes, etc on and off. Firefox Link is also available.

    I exported Opera bookmarks with folders of bookmarks into html format and an import to Firefox was flawless.

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