So what is Opera's target audience now?
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alreadybanned last edited by
Over the past year Opera's desktop users have fallen from 55 million to 51 million.
60 million in 1st quarter of 2012, 52 in 2nd quarter of 2013 - that was with Opera PRESTO, before 15 even existed.
Less than 50% of them are actually using the Blink version.
Wrong. "Major part of user base is now on the new product" (Opera Software Q4 2013 financial report PDF)
Opera 15+ vs. All Opera-Presto
Respectively 0.79% (Blink) and 0.61% (Presto)
(Bar graph spreadsheet for last 6 weeks from StatCounter)
On W3Schools' statistics last month available Blink has 0.6% and Presto 0.4%.Here we go again.
First off, your first source does not separate mobile and desktop. It also neglects any Presto usage beyond 2013.
Next, your bar graph is indecipherable.
Wiki visits are a far greater gauge as it is one of the most visited sites
February 2014 - Desktop 1.50% - Mobile 1.27% - Total 2.77%
January 2014 - Desktop 1.51% - Mobile 1.32% - Total 2.38%February 2013 - Desktop 2.57% - Mobile 1.21% - Total 3.78%
January 2013 - Desktop 2.72% Mobile - 1.16% Total - 3.88%January 2012 - Desktop 3.94% - Mobile 1.21% - Total 5.15%
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A Former User last edited by
Basically, Opera is now just a GUI. They have no CONTROL over what lies beneath. That is up to Google et al to decide.
Wrong. Chromium is open-source and they can and do modify anything they want.
On top of that they even contribute code upstream.GUI's don't make a browser.
They make. Otherwise Opera, Yandex, Sleipnir, Maxthon and others would be 100% equal to Chromium. Seamonkey, K-Meleon, Cyberfox, etc, would be equal to Firefox. Etc. And there would be no point in using them. Which is not true.
And that's not even the complete picture, as even though Opera is based on Chromium the engine is a little different (some parts are disabled or different, and there are unique features and experiments like tab hibernation, etc). -
alreadybanned last edited by
Over the past year Opera's desktop users have fallen from 55 million to 51 million.
60 million in 1st quarter of 2012, 52 in 2nd quarter of 2013 - that was with Opera PRESTO, before 15 even existed.
Less than 50% of them are actually using the Blink version.
Wrong. "Major part of user base is now on the new product" (Opera Software Q4 2013 financial report PDF)
Opera 15+ vs. All Opera-Presto
Respectively 0.79% (Blink) and 0.61% (Presto)
(Bar graph spreadsheet for last 6 weeks from StatCounter)
On W3Schools' statistics last month available Blink has 0.6% and Presto 0.4%.Here we go again.
First off, your first source does not separate mobile and desktop. It also neglects any Presto usage beyond 2013.
Next, your bar graph is indecipherable.
Wiki visits are a far greater gauge as it is one of the most visited sites
February 2014 - Desktop 1.50% - Mobile 1.27% - Total 2.77%
January 2014 - Desktop 1.51% - Mobile 1.32% - Total 2.38%
February 2013 - Desktop 2.57% - Mobile 1.21% - Total 3.78%
January 2013 - Desktop 2.72% Mobile - 1.16% Total - 3.88%
January 2012 - Desktop 3.94% - Mobile 1.21% - Total 5.15%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsersI formatted that much nicer. Oddly, quoting it seems to have it the way I originally wrote it. Let's see how it looks, pressing post comment.....
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alreadybanned last edited by
Over the past year Opera's desktop users have fallen from 55 million to 51 million.
60 million in 1st quarter of 2012, 52 in 2nd quarter of 2013 - that was with Opera PRESTO, before 15 even existed.
Less than 50% of them are actually using the Blink version.
Wrong. "Major part of user base is now on the new product" (Opera Software Q4 2013 financial report PDF)
Opera 15+ vs. All Opera-Presto
Respectively 0.79% (Blink) and 0.61% (Presto)
(Bar graph spreadsheet for last 6 weeks from StatCounter)
On W3Schools' statistics last month available Blink has 0.6% and Presto 0.4%.Here we go again.
First off, your first source does not separate mobile and desktop. It also neglects any Presto usage beyond 2013.
Next, your bar graph is indecipherable.
Wiki visits are a far greater gauge as it is one of the most visited sites
February 2014 - Desktop 1.50% - Mobile 1.27% - Total 2.77%
January 2014 - Desktop 1.51% - Mobile 1.32% - Total 2.38%
February 2013 - Desktop 2.57% - Mobile 1.21% - Total 3.78%
January 2013 - Desktop 2.72% Mobile - 1.16% Total - 3.88%
January 2012 - Desktop 3.94% - Mobile 1.21% - Total 5.15%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsersI formatted that much nicer. Oddly, quoting it seems to have it the way I originally wrote it. Let's see how it looks, pressing post comment.....
Nope, even worse
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lem729 last edited by
This thread is what is Opera's target Audience. That Audience is those who want a better browser. And as was noted even when Opera 17 was reviewed, Opera Blink is a better browser.
"A lot has changed with Opera since we last tested browsers twelve months ago. Since then Opera have switched from using their own "Presto" rendering engine to instead using the same engine as Chrome. Whilst this change has been received with mixed reviews by Opera users, with some unhappy that many of Opera's original features were dropped, our tests results actually show that the "new" Opera is a browser to be reckoned with outperforming Internet Explorer 11, Firefox 25, and Safari 5 in our tests. Opera 17 came top in 3 out of our 15 tests, and runner up in 6. The browser also secured highly on HTML5/CSS3 compliance and in our aggregated Javascript performance tests . . ." (Of course, we are now at Opera 21 as the last stable version).
They also noted that if you keep the browser open a lot, Opera Blink is the best choice because "initial page loads are the quickest of all the browsers tested."
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A Former User last edited by
First off, your first source does not separate mobile and desktop.
Nope. Both Opera's financial quarter presentation and StatCounter are mentioning only desktop users/usage.
It also neglects any Presto usage beyond 2013.
WTH? How so?
Next, your bar graph is indecipherable.
Set to bar and download the .csv spreadsheet then you can see the % of more browser versions.
Wiki visits are a far greater gauge as it is one of the most visited sites
Of course, because the official number counted by Opera Software and any other sources that prove you wrong are wrong. You can't accept them because if you do you won't be able to troll and spread FUD here right!?
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A Former User last edited by admin
most of the features you cited are already present in Google Chrome
You are illiterate.Read this comparison of Opera vs Chrome:
https://forums.opera.com/post/31150 -
alreadybanned last edited by
First off, your first source does not separate mobile and desktop.
Nope. Both Opera's financial quarter presentation and StatCounter are mentioning only desktop users/usage.
It also neglects any Presto usage beyond 2013.
WTH? How so?
Next, your bar graph is indecipherable.
Set to bar and download the .csv spreadsheet then you can the the % of more browser versions.
Wiki visits are a far greater gauge as it is one of the most visited sites
Of course, because the official number counted by Opera Software is wrong and also any other sources that prove you wrong. You can't accept them because if you do you won't be able to troll and spread FUD here right!?So Wikipedia stats are wrong and/or lies? They are just trolling Opera then? smh
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drewfx last edited by
I'm not sure it has a target market. Look at their own marketing:
You certainly can't tell much from "the fast and free alternative web browser" or "Opera. Made for your computer/phone/tablet". They don't even bother to try and explain things like Stash in any detail at least not anywhere that I could find. And then there's meaningless drivel like this:
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Browse with style. Opera's interface combines precision and quality. Integrating modern style with powerful features, Opera gives you the freedom to truly open the web and explore.
[/quote]But it truly isn't for power users, as they've basically abandoned us.
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lem729 last edited by
Nahhhh, you['re not abandoned, drewfx. Opera still has Opera 12.17 as a download. It offers Opera Blink AND Opera Presto. It's working on improving Opera 21, and there may be a time when you'll want to make a change. If you were abandoned, Opera would cut off the donwload of Presto. As for the marketing by Opera, that's just sales talk. All the browser entities use generalizations like that, you know, sort of like love talk -- haha, "sweet nothings."
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A Former User last edited by
So Wikipedia stats are wrong and/or lies? They are just trolling Opera then? smh
I don't know. I'm not even going to access the article you posted. The point is the actual number of active users is already counted and made available by Opera Software, if Wikipedia or any other entity shows something different that skews from that count it may not be a "lie" but of course its source is INACCURATE.
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lem729 last edited by
On the Wikipedia article in almost a year and 1/3 on global desktop usage statistics -- from January 2012 to April 2014 -- Opera is at the highest it had been for any month. The article lists Opera as a browser they might be underestimating for a number of reasons, but including: "While most browsers generate additional page hits by refreshing web pages when the user navigates back through page history, some browsers (such as Opera) reuse cached content without resending requests to the server.". Alos, since website hits under a browser can be a basis for the statistics, if a website blocks a browser (and Opera is one that is a good number of times blocked) (there's the phenomenon of browser sniffing, which many opera users are familair with) the data can underestimate a browser's share of market. And Chrome usage has gone up incredibly. Could hits by the Opera browser be mistaken for Chrome, since they use the same engine. It's possible to me.
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alreadybanned last edited by
So Wikipedia stats are wrong and/or lies? They are just trolling Opera then? smh
I don't know. I'm not even going to access the article you posted. The point is the actual number of active users is already counted and made available by Opera Software, if Wikipedia or any other entity shows something different that skews from that count it may not be a "lie" but of course its source is INACCURATE.So you don't even have the courtesy to do as I did with your sources and look at the stats posted? And yet you still have the nerve to call them inaccurate. smh
Wikipedia is one of the most visited sites on the net, their visitor stats are a good indicator as well as a neutral one. Opera on the other hand has a vested interest, just like Microsoft who counts Windows 8 users amongst computers sitting on store shelves or Google counting Chrome users thanks to it being bundled in other software even when it's opted out of being installed.
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Deleted User last edited by
I love it too, and now there are the new products in Android, iOS, OS X, Windows.
Sorry sidney, but you come under 'Current Users' with Jeff.
Opera must be targeting someone else?
I use Maxthon, so maybe I'm their target audience?Their target is the people who uses another browser in any system, that is the reason they develop Opera to Android, iOS, Mac OS X, Windows and Linux (in the future).
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A Former User last edited by admin
So you don't even have the courtesy to do as I did with your sources and look at the stats posted? And yet you still have the nerve to call them inaccurate. smh
Wikipedia is one of the most visited sites on the net, their visitor stats are a good indicator as well as a neutral one
And StatCounter tracks millions of different sites! They have a bigger and more widespread sample than the "Wikipedia bubble" buddy.Opera on the other hand has a vested interest, just like Microsoft who counts Windows 8 users amongst computers sitting on store shelves or Google counting Chrome users thanks to it being bundled in other software even when it's opted out of being installed.
But the FACT is Opera counts actual ACTIVE USERS.
https://forums.opera.com/post/35796Stop spreading FUD when YOU KNOW it's not true or I'll make your username's wish come true. And stop hijacking threads.
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alreadybanned last edited by admin
So you don't even have the courtesy to do as I did with your sources and look at the stats posted? And yet you still have the nerve to call them inaccurate. smh
Wikipedia is one of the most visited sites on the net, their visitor stats are a good indicator as well as a neutral one
And StatCounter tracks millions of different sites! They have a bigger and more widespread sample than the "Wikipedia bubble" buddy.
Opera on the other hand has a vested interest, just like Microsoft who counts Windows 8 users amongst computers sitting on store shelves or Google counting Chrome users thanks to it being bundled in other software even when it's opted out of being installed.
But the FACT is Opera counts actual ACTIVE USERS.
https://forums.opera.com/post/35796
Stop spreading FUD when YOU KNOW it's not true or I'll make your username's wish come true. And stop hijacking threads.I am posting links to facts, facts you don't have the courtesy and/or courage to verify and rather just dismiss with pompous rhetoric.
You engaging in this back and forth makes you every bit as guilty of "hijacking" with one major difference of course, I actually address the subject matter and don't attack or make idle threats. Well, other than this, Your self important petty threats me nothing to me. I can just as easily sign up again and again just to be the bane of your existence so, go ahead, make my day.
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lem729 last edited by
What a lot of hooey, already banned. You're an admitted Cyberfox user, and all you're trying to do is poison and distort. And now it's . . . (you say: "don't attack me, or . . ." blackmail, is it. What drives you? Go enjoy the browser you like, and have the essential decency to leave us in peace.
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alreadybanned last edited by
What a lot of hooey, already banned. You're an admitted Cyberfox user, and all you're trying to do is poison and distort. And now it's . . . (you say: "don't attack me, or . . ." blackmail, is it. What drives you? Go enjoy the browser you like, and have the essential decency to leave us in peace.
I am a former and long time Opera user(since banner ads)too, don't forget that little tidbit. Posting factual stats is also far from hooey.
You can attack me if you like and I will gladly push back. What I wont do is pretend that's not what I'm doing. Threatening to ban someone who posts factual arguments because one lacks the ability to counter in an intuitive way would be a good example of blackmail but I haven't done that. We can't all say that though can we?
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drewfx last edited by
Nahhhh, you['re not abandoned, drewfx. Opera still has Opera 12.17 as a download. It offers Opera Blink AND Opera Presto. It's working on improving Opera 21, and there may be a time when you'll want to make a change. If you were abandoned, Opera would cut off the donwload of Presto. As for the marketing by Opera, that's just sales talk. All the browser entities use generalizations like that, you know, sort of like love talk -- haha, "sweet nothings."
I'm abandoned because they don't seem interested in restoring key features that are among the main reasons I've been using (and recommending) Opera since the days when I had to pay to get an ad-free copy.
And just to be clear, I'm not talking about the features are simply not feasible under Blink. I understand that there were very good reasons to move off of Presto going forward and there are certain necessary compromises that come with that. I'm talking about the UNNECESSARY compromises.
Currently I've decided to try out 21 in parallel with 12.17. But 21 is just lacking key features I need. And no, Extensions are not always an acceptable workaround because the Extension API is limited in certain ways.
If Opera's developers expressed an interest in gradually restoring missing functionality where feasible it would go a long way for some of us.
As to the sales talk, the issue I was pointing out was that Opera isn't making much of a case for itself, IMO. Some people here like to use the word "innovative" when describing some of the features and my point is that they then need to aggressively market those features and explain exactly what they are and why they're different and useful.
Instead they say things like "Opera gives you the freedom to truly open the web and explore". Exactly who is supposed to be inspired by a phrase like that and hit download?
