So what is Opera's target audience now?
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A Former User last edited by
Stay up with the times, bowen, you gotta keep up with progress! I love the new browser version!
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alreadybanned last edited by
Is it the tablet market?
Is it the mobile market?
Or is it Chrome users who are sick of bookmarks?Finger painters.
I think what Opera and now Firefox failed to realize is that the demographic that Chrome has won over, for the most part, were those still using IE. In their attempts to mimic Chromes's success they are going to lose many of their current users and the recent share numbers prove just that. Over the past year Opera's desktop users have fallen from 55 million to 51 million. Less than 50% of them are actually using the Blink version. That means Opera still has around 25 million users that it risks losing if they don't like the change.
I won't say never but, at this rate I can't see myself using Opera(again) in the foreseeable future. I've made the switch to Cyberfox and have no complaints
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bowen192 last edited by
Stay up with the times, bowen, you gotta keep up with progress! I love the new browser version!
So you'd be someone who already uses Opera?
So apart from people who currently use Opera, who else is being targeted?
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Deleted User last edited by
I love it too, and now there are the new products in Android, iOS, OS X, Windows.
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A Former User last edited by
Over the past year Opera's desktop users have fallen from 55 million to 51 million.
60 million in 1st quarter of 2012, 52 in 2nd quarter of 2013 - that was with Opera PRESTO, before 15 even existed.Less than 50% of them are actually using the Blink version.
Wrong. "Major part of user base is now on the new product" (Opera Software Q4 2013 financial report PDF)Opera 15+ vs. All Opera-Presto
Respectively 0.79% (Blink) and 0.61% (Presto)
(Bar graph spreadsheet for last 6 weeks from StatCounter)On W3Schools' statistics last month available Blink has 0.6% and Presto 0.4%.
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bowen192 last edited by
I love it too, and now there are the new products in Android, iOS, OS X, Windows.
Sorry sidney, but you come under 'Current Users' with Jeff.
Opera must be targeting someone else?
I use Maxthon, so maybe I'm their target audience?
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lem729 last edited by
I think the new browser is super. It's fast, delightful, open to many more extension than the Presto version. Opera is aiming for the market with mobile, tablet, etc. (Android and IOS) AND desktop. They're admirably ambitious, have won quite a few awards already, and are off to a great start.
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hirobo2 last edited by
Definitely not the regular desktop users. They basically told them to f* off when they decided to move to Chrome engine... without reimplemented the features in 12/Presto that made people go to Opera in the first place!
Basically, Opera is now just a GUI. They have no CONTROL over what lies beneath. That is up to Google et al to decide. GUI's don't make a browser. Who wants just a fancy GUI anyways?
(Btw, what pissses me off the most in the new Opera is the horrendous "downloads" tab. Just amazes me how useless those big tiles are!)
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lem729 last edited by
That's totally wrong, hirobo. They gave regular desktop a fast, more html compliant browser, capable of accessing better, far more websites and able to make use of a significantly larger number of extension (an area that in the future will just keep growing). It has the greatest speed dial (with folders) on the whole damn planet!!! in addition to what's tantamount to a super duper RSS feed that comes built in -- Discover -- covering numerous subject areas, languages and countries. You can not only enjoy and learn about what's happening in your own country, but learn from the perspective of many other countries. It truly is a "discover" bonanza. That's not to mention Stash, and Off-Road mode. Is Opera the only company that cares if your computer isn't a million dollar deal, you get your internet by dial-up modem (you know, people still do), or your wifi signal is weak? Opera deserves kudos for doing what other browsers (some with their fat cat or lazy suburbanite clientele) won't do or care about.
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hirobo2 last edited by
^ Buddy, most of the features you cited are already present in Google Chrome. If I want to use Chrome, I'd go to Google, not a cheap lookalike. Opera 12 will be the last version of Opera I use. I will have FireFox for any other website that doesn't play nicely with 12.
Says a lot when I'd rather use FireFox than Opera Next!
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lem729 last edited by
I listed, hirobo2, a lot of uniques Opera features. And in addition to offering a significantly improved browser, Opera lets those who like what they had keep it. Opera Presto is still a download from the Opera website. For those who prefer Presto, I'm delighted it's available. I used that browser for years, and yes, I liked it too. So let's all be happy and sing Kumbaya. Let's be happy that those who love Presto (with its features) and those who love Blink with its speed, access to extension, super speed dial, etc. both have something they can smile about.
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alreadybanned last edited by
Over the past year Opera's desktop users have fallen from 55 million to 51 million.
60 million in 1st quarter of 2012, 52 in 2nd quarter of 2013 - that was with Opera PRESTO, before 15 even existed.
Less than 50% of them are actually using the Blink version.
Wrong. "Major part of user base is now on the new product" (Opera Software Q4 2013 financial report PDF)
Opera 15+ vs. All Opera-Presto
Respectively 0.79% (Blink) and 0.61% (Presto)
(Bar graph spreadsheet for last 6 weeks from StatCounter)
On W3Schools' statistics last month available Blink has 0.6% and Presto 0.4%.Here we go again.
First off, your first source does not separate mobile and desktop. It also neglects any Presto usage beyond 2013.
Next, your bar graph is indecipherable.
Wiki visits are a far greater gauge as it is one of the most visited sites
February 2014 - Desktop 1.50% - Mobile 1.27% - Total 2.77%
January 2014 - Desktop 1.51% - Mobile 1.32% - Total 2.38%February 2013 - Desktop 2.57% - Mobile 1.21% - Total 3.78%
January 2013 - Desktop 2.72% Mobile - 1.16% Total - 3.88%January 2012 - Desktop 3.94% - Mobile 1.21% - Total 5.15%
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A Former User last edited by
Basically, Opera is now just a GUI. They have no CONTROL over what lies beneath. That is up to Google et al to decide.
Wrong. Chromium is open-source and they can and do modify anything they want.
On top of that they even contribute code upstream.GUI's don't make a browser.
They make. Otherwise Opera, Yandex, Sleipnir, Maxthon and others would be 100% equal to Chromium. Seamonkey, K-Meleon, Cyberfox, etc, would be equal to Firefox. Etc. And there would be no point in using them. Which is not true.
And that's not even the complete picture, as even though Opera is based on Chromium the engine is a little different (some parts are disabled or different, and there are unique features and experiments like tab hibernation, etc). -
alreadybanned last edited by
Over the past year Opera's desktop users have fallen from 55 million to 51 million.
60 million in 1st quarter of 2012, 52 in 2nd quarter of 2013 - that was with Opera PRESTO, before 15 even existed.
Less than 50% of them are actually using the Blink version.
Wrong. "Major part of user base is now on the new product" (Opera Software Q4 2013 financial report PDF)
Opera 15+ vs. All Opera-Presto
Respectively 0.79% (Blink) and 0.61% (Presto)
(Bar graph spreadsheet for last 6 weeks from StatCounter)
On W3Schools' statistics last month available Blink has 0.6% and Presto 0.4%.Here we go again.
First off, your first source does not separate mobile and desktop. It also neglects any Presto usage beyond 2013.
Next, your bar graph is indecipherable.
Wiki visits are a far greater gauge as it is one of the most visited sites
February 2014 - Desktop 1.50% - Mobile 1.27% - Total 2.77%
January 2014 - Desktop 1.51% - Mobile 1.32% - Total 2.38%
February 2013 - Desktop 2.57% - Mobile 1.21% - Total 3.78%
January 2013 - Desktop 2.72% Mobile - 1.16% Total - 3.88%
January 2012 - Desktop 3.94% - Mobile 1.21% - Total 5.15%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsersI formatted that much nicer. Oddly, quoting it seems to have it the way I originally wrote it. Let's see how it looks, pressing post comment.....
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alreadybanned last edited by
Over the past year Opera's desktop users have fallen from 55 million to 51 million.
60 million in 1st quarter of 2012, 52 in 2nd quarter of 2013 - that was with Opera PRESTO, before 15 even existed.
Less than 50% of them are actually using the Blink version.
Wrong. "Major part of user base is now on the new product" (Opera Software Q4 2013 financial report PDF)
Opera 15+ vs. All Opera-Presto
Respectively 0.79% (Blink) and 0.61% (Presto)
(Bar graph spreadsheet for last 6 weeks from StatCounter)
On W3Schools' statistics last month available Blink has 0.6% and Presto 0.4%.Here we go again.
First off, your first source does not separate mobile and desktop. It also neglects any Presto usage beyond 2013.
Next, your bar graph is indecipherable.
Wiki visits are a far greater gauge as it is one of the most visited sites
February 2014 - Desktop 1.50% - Mobile 1.27% - Total 2.77%
January 2014 - Desktop 1.51% - Mobile 1.32% - Total 2.38%
February 2013 - Desktop 2.57% - Mobile 1.21% - Total 3.78%
January 2013 - Desktop 2.72% Mobile - 1.16% Total - 3.88%
January 2012 - Desktop 3.94% - Mobile 1.21% - Total 5.15%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsersI formatted that much nicer. Oddly, quoting it seems to have it the way I originally wrote it. Let's see how it looks, pressing post comment.....
Nope, even worse
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lem729 last edited by
This thread is what is Opera's target Audience. That Audience is those who want a better browser. And as was noted even when Opera 17 was reviewed, Opera Blink is a better browser.
"A lot has changed with Opera since we last tested browsers twelve months ago. Since then Opera have switched from using their own "Presto" rendering engine to instead using the same engine as Chrome. Whilst this change has been received with mixed reviews by Opera users, with some unhappy that many of Opera's original features were dropped, our tests results actually show that the "new" Opera is a browser to be reckoned with outperforming Internet Explorer 11, Firefox 25, and Safari 5 in our tests. Opera 17 came top in 3 out of our 15 tests, and runner up in 6. The browser also secured highly on HTML5/CSS3 compliance and in our aggregated Javascript performance tests . . ." (Of course, we are now at Opera 21 as the last stable version).
They also noted that if you keep the browser open a lot, Opera Blink is the best choice because "initial page loads are the quickest of all the browsers tested."
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A Former User last edited by
First off, your first source does not separate mobile and desktop.
Nope. Both Opera's financial quarter presentation and StatCounter are mentioning only desktop users/usage.
It also neglects any Presto usage beyond 2013.
WTH? How so?
Next, your bar graph is indecipherable.
Set to bar and download the .csv spreadsheet then you can see the % of more browser versions.
Wiki visits are a far greater gauge as it is one of the most visited sites
Of course, because the official number counted by Opera Software and any other sources that prove you wrong are wrong. You can't accept them because if you do you won't be able to troll and spread FUD here right!?
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A Former User last edited by admin
most of the features you cited are already present in Google Chrome
You are illiterate.Read this comparison of Opera vs Chrome:
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alreadybanned last edited by
First off, your first source does not separate mobile and desktop.
Nope. Both Opera's financial quarter presentation and StatCounter are mentioning only desktop users/usage.
It also neglects any Presto usage beyond 2013.
WTH? How so?
Next, your bar graph is indecipherable.
Set to bar and download the .csv spreadsheet then you can the the % of more browser versions.
Wiki visits are a far greater gauge as it is one of the most visited sites
Of course, because the official number counted by Opera Software is wrong and also any other sources that prove you wrong. You can't accept them because if you do you won't be able to troll and spread FUD here right!?So Wikipedia stats are wrong and/or lies? They are just trolling Opera then? smh
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drewfx last edited by
I'm not sure it has a target market. Look at their own marketing:
You certainly can't tell much from "the fast and free alternative web browser" or "Opera. Made for your computer/phone/tablet". They don't even bother to try and explain things like Stash in any detail at least not anywhere that I could find. And then there's meaningless drivel like this:
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Browse with style. Opera's interface combines precision and quality. Integrating modern style with powerful features, Opera gives you the freedom to truly open the web and explore.
[/quote]But it truly isn't for power users, as they've basically abandoned us.
