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    • zalex108
      zalex108 @Guest last edited by zalex108

      @davehawley

      Mmmmm...
      Right now I'm using Dev 52.0.2838.0 (has started to download the update xD) and the Ordering option is not on the Bookmarks bar.

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      • A Former User
        A Former User @zalex108 last edited by

        @zalex108
        It's only there on folders which are on the bookmarks bar, not on the bar itself.
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        • zalex108
          zalex108 @Guest last edited by zalex108

          @davehawley

          Same result.

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          It seems that has been deleted to be used just on "Bookmarks Manager" and "clean up" the menu.

          "You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you". 路 Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

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          • A Former User
            A Former User @zalex108 last edited by A Former User

            @zalex108
            Yes, I see now. How strange!
            Why on earth would they have removed that?
            On Opera 36 the equivalent menu says the same for the top three entries, then "Sort alphabetically", "Save as Speed Dial folder", "Edit", and "Move to Bin".
            As you say, the OP should surely be able to still do it in the Bookmarks Manager.
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            • zalex108
              zalex108 @Guest last edited by zalex108

              @davehawley

              I suppose because it's relatively secondary.

              Maybe their thought about the management it's like:

              Once you've added some Bookmarks you may want to fix some extra large titles all at once using the Bookmarks manager, then, once fixed you use the Order option.

              Because of this it's just on the Bookmarks Manager.

              Despite that,
              it would be nice the option to order them all at once, instead of the needing of do it branch by branch.

              "You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you". 路 Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

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                A Former User @zalex108 last edited by A Former User

                @zalex108
                Yes, as long as it is still there!
                @leocg seemed to be implying that you couldn't now do it at all, which would be ridiculous and an enormous step backwards.
                I still remember with horror the first attempts at the "new Opera" where there was no traditional bookmarks system at all, just Speed Dials, and the only way of sorting them was manually dragging them around individually! Whoever thought that releasing a browser like that was a good idea needed their heads examining!
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                • zalex108
                  zalex108 @Guest last edited by zalex108

                  @davehawley

                  I would understand it,
                  since the Bookmarks bar is not the only place where you can save bookmarks but you would like to keep them all alphabetically ordered.

                  At some point you will need to enter on the BManager to reorder other branches so then, it seems an "unnecessary" option, otherwise, it should appears on the SpeedDial menu too.

                  @davehawley said in sort bookmarks alphabetically:

                  @leocg seemed to be implying that you couldn't now do it at all, which would be ridiculous and an enormous step backwards.
                  I still remember with horror the first attempts at the "new Opera" where there was no traditional bookmarks system at all, just Speed Dials, and the only way of sorting them was manually dragging them around individually! Whoever thought that releasing a browser like that was a good idea needed their heads examining!
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                  About that,
                  or it was just a pre>pre>pre>pre Alpha or because Jon already left the company.

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                  • A Former User
                    A Former User @zalex108 last edited by

                    @zalex108
                    Well Opera 15 (the first non-Presto rendering engine version) was definitely actually released with no traditional bookmarking system, because Opera's "research" had concluded that hardly anyone still used bookmarks, if you can believe that!
                    Which version first had a proper bookmarks system again after they finally saw the light I can't remember, but that debacle certainly damaged Opera as a brand without a doubt.
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                    • leocg
                      leocg Moderator Volunteer @Guest last edited by

                      @davehawley It was removed from the menu so I thought it was removed from other places too, but it seems to still be in the bookmarks manager as showed here.

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                      • leocg
                        leocg Moderator Volunteer @Guest last edited by

                        @davehawley Too bad that they have chosen to bring bookmarks back instead of working on something to replace it.

                        It kinda surprises me that in 2018 people still need to (manually) bookmark a page. And sort it, many times into several folders.

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                          A Former User @leocg last edited by

                          @leocg
                          Old habits die hard I'm afraid!
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                          • zalex108
                            zalex108 @Guest last edited by zalex108

                            @davehawley

                            Then, it was once Jon left the company, definitely.

                            @leocg

                            What do you mean?
                            Mouse gestures? To add them where? All in the same folder?

                            I prefer to avoid the chaos, I prefers folders to organise them, add Tags also would be welcome.

                            "You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you". 路 Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

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                            • leocg
                              leocg Moderator Volunteer @zalex108 last edited by

                              @zalex108 You simply shouldn't need to bookmark a page.

                              Opera Presto had this feature, what was also the main support base behind M2/Opera Mail, called 'full text index' that allowed you to find out any previously visited page just by remembering its content.
                              For me it was the best Opera Presto feature and the one I miss the most. Maybe the only one I really miss.

                              So why not create something similar for Opera Chromium?

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                              • zalex108
                                zalex108 @leocg last edited by zalex108

                                @leocg

                                I remember that.
                                Did you requested on a Suggestions and feature topic?

                                Despite that, folders are much than necessary for an organized environment.

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                                • leocg
                                  leocg Moderator Volunteer @zalex108 last edited by

                                  @zalex108 said in sort bookmarks alphabetically:

                                  Did you requested on a Suggestions and feature topic?

                                  Nope, although I may have mentioned it a few times.

                                  @zalex108 said in sort bookmarks alphabetically:

                                  Despite that, folders are much than necessary for an organized environment.

                                  As I said, you shouldn't need them.

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                                  • zalex108
                                    zalex108 @leocg last edited by zalex108

                                    @leocg

                                    For a work environment you need order.

                                    And sooner or later you will need it too.

                                    "You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you". 路 Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

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                                    • leocg
                                      leocg Moderator Volunteer @zalex108 last edited by

                                      @zalex108 The idea of using full text index is exactly to eliminate the needing of sort and, therefore, the use of folders. At the same time it would allow you to create different views for your data.

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                                      • zalex108
                                        zalex108 @leocg last edited by

                                        @leocg

                                        Different views?

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                                        • leocg
                                          leocg Moderator Volunteer @zalex108 last edited by

                                          @zalex108 Yes, like in Opera Mail. It doesn't allow you to create folders but you can create 'views' to see messages that follow a certain criteria.

                                          So you could, for example, create a view to see all (visited) pages that have the word 'bookmarks' on its content.

                                          And all done without the needing of manually bookmarking and sorting those pages.

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                                            A Former User @leocg last edited by A Former User

                                            @leocg @zalex108
                                            I well remember the at times quite vitriolic arguments on the old Opera forum when the first Chromium versions of Opera were released with no bookmarking system.
                                            People were either outraged that the system had been removed, or were hailing it as a great step forward and in some cases calling the naysayers "whingers and whiners"!
                                            It got quite unpleasant at times.
                                            Personally I was glad they brought it back, after all the fact that every other browser before or since has had some form of traditional bookmarks/favourites system must mean something.
                                            At the end of the day, you don't have to use it if you don't want to.
                                            I do agree that full search of previously visited web pages' content would be a great thing to have back though, but whether that makes traditional bookmarking redundant is a matter of opinion.
                                            I personally think that you still need to have both. Apart from anything else, if every web page you visit is fully indexed and the information stored permanently, the database will quickly become absolutely massive, with possible negative consequences for browser speed and use of resources, and if you limit the database's size (as you could in Presto Opera) that somewhat limits its usefulness as a substitute for bookmarks as old information will get lost, whereas bookmarks are never lost unless manually deleted.
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